New Casemaker
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We need to assemble a crack team of programmers to do this, and do it right.
So far here's what I've found out:
I now know what I'm going to make it
So far here's our crack team:
me....
DaemonForce as the helpful guide
Beta Testers
Cevian
Prince
Freyathedark
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I'll beta it for you though, if that's a help...
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Shaun, MechaBowser, and Narohoudo all left theirs unfinished. Although there's always a chance one of them will pick it up, it's good to have more than one anyway.
I have zero skills, though, so the only thing I can do is beta-test.
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Fragtagonal wrote:
C++
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
You completely missed the wagon. MB was using an identified software recommended for this kind of use. Not a straight up assembler. On top of that, the focus doesn't belong on the case maker itself but the working function of the case maker: the case. If you can't put that together, there's no point in starting with an automated assembler.
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Panty thief strikes again!
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Cin and Cout are the only C++ functions I know. I'm smart!
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Fragtagonal wrote:
So what is this, identified thing he used? I'd love to know
Well now, I would know for certain if I had my hands on the source. I'm limited to an educated guess for that purpose. The designer was manufactured somewhere between 1998 and 2007. There also appears to be an indication of importing somewhere. This results in a few possibilities:
Multimedia Fusion Express
Multimedia Fusion
Multimedia Fusion 2
Please note that reimporting a later saved model cannot go back to an older editor. There appear to be others but these two are the most likely. The practical areas of these tools revolve around the express build. If you want to go about this the easy way I suggest you get familiar with it. On a completely unrelated note it appears to be abandoned!
Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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http://pw-case-editor.sf.net
From the crappy intro there, I know the guy is writing it in c++, along with some other techie stuff i dunno. :P
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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Arei wrote:
MAC VERSION >__<
You can't say emulator for the life of you huh?
Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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DaemonForce wrote:
As soon as I read the C++ part I stopped reading. It's a powerful thing but it's not practical.
Impractical for whom? o_O
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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But then again, I'm a bias Linuxfagboy, so what do I know? :P
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KanadaKid wrote:
Especially coupled with SDL, and using a portable GUI toolkit, the whole thing is, more or less, cross platform, and doesn't sacrifice performance.
Wonderful.
KanadaKid wrote:
But then again, I'm a bias Linuxfagboy, so what do I know? :P
Shitty video drivers, GPL problems, no support and an imaginary/non-existent user percentage.
Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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But couldn't a casemaker be made in a simpler program, like Adobe Flash?
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Marshmello wrote:
But couldn't a casemaker be made in a simpler program, like Adobe Flash?
Casemaker was not made by a simple program. I object to Adobe flash on the grounds that it sucks. Things were whip-ass when the thing still belonged to Macromedia. Now users run into flash version errors at every turn of a v9 build. The one thing I can say is desirable about this is the fact that it stays effective across every platform since just about every OS can run flash with the exception of the 286/386 systems. Who uses those anymore?
..................
The special trait behind case maker was in fact, the designer tool. It could export a raw executable and it could export the case maker as an internet plugin via Vitalize! Squeeeeee!
That last thought is a bit fruity. Would you trust an Internet application to export a raw executable on your system?
ADD go here:
Answer is no.
Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
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Panty thief strikes again!
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I also object to flash. Just getting it to work right is too complicated,
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I'm still waiting on a code snip.
Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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Rat-tat-tat-tat-tatI happen to like flash very much, and just cause it doesn't fit this project...sniffle...doesn't mean you have to be SO MEAN!
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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Fragtagonal wrote:
When do you plan on finishing?
Here's what I think will happen:
-40% chance of it ending in epic failure
-35% chance of the final release being bugged into oblivion
-15% chance of me shafting this project
-10% chance of me pulling this off
In short: I really don't know. :) Considering I'm busier than a priest at a playground, there is really no way I can tell you. However, if you wanna join in on this stupid, little project of mine, then feel free to do so. :)
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KanadaKid wrote:
Fragtagonal wrote:
When do you plan on finishing?
Here's what I think will happen:
-40% chance of it ending in epic failure
-35% chance of the final release being bugged into oblivion
-15% chance of me shafting this project
-10% chance of me pulling this off
In short: I really don't know. :) Considering I'm busier than a priest at a playground, there is really no way I can tell you. However, if you wanna join in on this stupid, little project of mine, then feel free to do so. :)
I would help. How ever I think you need to release a beta, first.
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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There are three of us here who know how to program(at least are open about it).
1)Me
2)KanadaKid
3) DaemonForce
DaemonForce already said he does not plan on creating a case maker(I'm not taking shots at you just my perception)
So that leaves me and KanadaKid, I have a pretty basic knowledge of C++, cause I am in a C++ class at my high school, but I have already finished the entire curriculum for the class(took me about a month) so I'm a quick learner and I'll probably be able to pick up on whatever you're using really quick. This way we double the workforce on this project and decrease the chance of fail. If you decide to take me up on my offer send what you have done to Fragtagonal@GMail.com, maybe throw in a little explanation of whats going on and what you want me to work on. This way we can unite the forum under one case maker instead of having competing factions.
All I wanted to do is share my case with the community, now I'm trying to program a case maker, lol. This is either a really great case or I love to program. Actually, its both.
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No need to send anything; this PoS is completely open source. :)
Here: http://pw-case-editor.cvs.sourceforge.n ... ase-editor.
I'll send you an email and tell you all about the magical and mystical wonders surrounding this case editor, including that cryptic link I just posted. Whoop-de-doo.
@Miles_the_attorney: Kinda hard to release a beta, considering that there is about, oh, zero documentation. :P
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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Fragtagonal wrote:
HOLY SHIT THIS THING IS BIGGER THAN AN XBOX
And so far, that's my #1 problem with this project. I'm trying to put the code on a diet, but weeding out useless crap and other redundant sections of absolute stupidity is proving to be a royal pain in the ass.
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Any screenshots or demos?
And, will it be possible to create series of cases, like in the original, where you have to beat one to unlock the next?
And to have different attorneys? (And switch attorneys midcase, as in case 3-5?)
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Lana_Skyes_Heart wrote:
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Panty thief strikes again!
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That way, the evidence you have at the save point can simply be stored in the script, and all that needs to be saved is which cases are unlocked, which case is currently being played, and which save point at it you're in.
Even in the worst case scenario, saving is basically just dumping what's in memory to a file(evidence present, locations unlocked, position in a trial/conversation, conversations completed). In a proper programming language, as this case maker is being done in, this should be very little problem at all. (Significantly harder in MMF2)
In the worst case scenario, it can't be hard to simply save which cases are and aren't unlocked...
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Lee Ji Hoon wrote:
Saving the exact position mid-trial/mid-investigation would be hard, but would it not be possible to set save points?
It's not the ethics that are the problem. It's the function. For some stupid reason, MB probably believed that a save file was a bad idea and decided to save data to the executable. Do you follow?
If the game were to go through an unhandled exception, goodbye EXE and hello potential virus.
Lee Ji Hoon wrote:
evidence you have at the save point can simply be stored in the script
Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! Unmarked variable activated! *exception/crash*
Lee Ji Hoon wrote:
all that needs to be saved is which cases are unlocked, which case is currently being played, and which save point at it you're in.
No it's not. I'm a bit of a perfectionist. I want to follow the DS game as closely as possible. If I were to make a GS game able to save at nearly any moment just like a proper GS, I would have to save several marked and unmarked variables. Verify which groups are active, which functions are not active, which groups should NOT be on, groups that should. Yeah...Not commands. GROUPS of them. You know, that ONE little thing MB missed and instead went through the ritual of looping a huge orgy of repetitive code each time the user so much as clicks a button...
Lee Ji Hoon wrote:
words...(Significantly harder in MMF2)
I was going to do a huge reply until I read this part.
Lee Ji Hoon wrote:
In the worst case scenario, it can't be hard to simply save which cases are and aren't unlocked...
My worst case scenario for the game maker is so awful you don't even want to go there. Right now I'm only focused on making a GS clone. The next part is manufacturing an app that lets you forge a GS clone similar to the actions of MB's case maker. So far I'm stuck on an audio command.
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SO I was stuck all day inside the changing room with nothing but a glued on bra.
Panty thief strikes again!
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