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But assuming GK is more than one case or two cases (we have no idea at this point) you can't have a whole game like that. Part of the excitement of playing as Phoenix is having to chase down and force a confession out of the culprit. For Edgeworth to win in court, he would have to spend the entire time proving something he already knows. As Phoenix even when you know who the villain is ahead of time you still have to piece together the method of the murder (which is usually even harder than realizing who's guilty), but Edgeworth could not go to court without knowing that. A prosecutor can't charge someone saying, "I know he did it, but I don't know how - I'll just figure it out in court."

So unless Edgeworth tried cases and ended up wrong every time, there would be no big reveals taking place during the trials. And where's the fun in that!

But that's why I think an Interrogation phase would be a great substitute - you could still replicate the press and present style of gameplay before the trial ever takes place. There could even be a defense attorney there making sure his client's rights aren't being violated (thus setting up a penalty system). Get Gumshoe in on it for some Good Cop / Bad Cop!
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I don't mean having even most of the game like that. The court could be like the final confrontation and act sort of like the game's "boss battles". They could throw in a few twists you didn't know, but it would mostly be them trying to weasel out of it, like how the Prosecution or the murder normally does later in a case normally.
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There could even be a defense attorney there making sure his client's rights aren't being violated (thus setting up a penalty system).


But in Japan, people don't usually have their individual lawyers. Defense lawyers can only take the case after someone has been arrested.

I really really really hope to see a defense attorney in the game though... :acro:
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yeah final fantasy 7 has SO MANY spinoffs I know it's pretty good but still when will they let it rest.
And hopefully the next defense attorney is going to be good.
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I agree with Croik! I'm actually hoping they DON'T try to put any courtroom gameplay into this, because I can't see it working too well, for the reasons already put forward.

Interrogation would be a nice workaround. But so could questioning suspects and trying to work through each one with evidence and trying to figure out which person actually did it. I guess I'm really looking at this as a "Detective Game" starring Edgeworth. As a huge fan of mystery novels in general, this seems right up my alley, as much as the different sort of game that the rest of the AA series is.

Seriously, I'm much more excited about this game than about GS5 (well... most of that is because we don't know ANYTHING about GS5 yet).

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I'm excited for this game, but for all the wrong reasons. I'm the type of fan who enjoys the fandom more than playing the games. Frankly, I could care less about GK's new gameplay system: I just care about the storyline. People finally get to find out what happens to Edgeworth post GS3, which will put an end to all the guess work that is going on in fan fiction (not that I don't love the guess work, but I also love it when writers make their stories work with canon).

Now, if Capcom ever releases, say, "Gregory Edgeworth: Ace Attorney", that would be a game that I would get excited over for the game's own sake. You can blame that on my love for prequels.
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I can defidently see your points... I really enjoy the text based, thinking element of the Phoenix Wright games; but I don't think a different style of gameplay would detract from that. I would be very disappointed if they decided to change ALL the future AA games into a walking style action game, but I'm really looking forward to a different experience in "Perfect Prosecutor". The text based style of game can get a bit dull when playing for a while, I would enjoy some more action then just tapping the stylus constantly.

Plus, I'm a big Edgeworth fan, so I was estatic when I found out about the upcoming game. Like Kween, I like the storylines in AA just as much, if not more, then the actual gameplay itself. So finding out more about Edgeworth's story is the perfect game for me! =)
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Im not looking forward to GK either. I'm not one for spinoffs (with the exception of Super Mario). I feel like the AA games are a cool series devoted to one thing and for me a spinoff comes and kinda ruins it. Thats why I dont really play spinoffs in general.

but thats only me. and then again, theres the saying that goes something like "If you havent tried it, you cant have an opinion" or something along those lines.
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Croik wrote:
But assuming GK is more than one case or two cases (we have no idea at this point) you can't have a whole game like that. Part of the excitement of playing as Phoenix is having to chase down and force a confession out of the culprit. For Edgeworth to win in court, he would have to spend the entire time proving something he already knows. As Phoenix even when you know who the villain is ahead of time you still have to piece together the method of the murder (which is usually even harder than realizing who's guilty), but Edgeworth could not go to court without knowing that. A prosecutor can't charge someone saying, "I know he did it, but I don't know how - I'll just figure it out in court."

So unless Edgeworth tried cases and ended up wrong every time, there would be no big reveals taking place during the trials. And where's the fun in that!

But that's why I think an Interrogation phase would be a great substitute - you could still replicate the press and present style of gameplay before the trial ever takes place. There could even be a defense attorney there making sure his client's rights aren't being violated (thus setting up a penalty system). Get Gumshoe in on it for some Good Cop / Bad Cop!


True, but let's not forget that the DA that Edgeworth would go up against wouldn't just roll over and die. Edgeworth can prepare his case carefully, then the defence pulls out a trump card, a witness who was hiding something earlier, or even a forged piece of evidence, forcing Edgeworth to think on his feet and get around the contradiction or prove it's a fake.

However, that interrogation idea is more likely based on Tuesday's scan translations. It sounds like a fun idea that would set GK apart from the AA series while maintaining the unique charm we've all grown to love. The more I think about it, the more I like it.
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Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?


The Mario Spinoffs.


Not even relatively close to counting.

When I say spin off,I mean the spin off of a story,not "Oh look,were gonna have this character play baseball and other ridiculous minigames"

But like I said:there isn't enough info out yet,this could be the best game to hit the series,I'm just not that excited about it at this point,based off of what I've seen.

I hope it's great,but as of right now,I don't think it will be :yuusaku:


Im hoping itll have court cases like the all other games... :?
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The Metroid Prime series, to name another spin-off. :godot:


Er, that's not a spin-off....It's just a regular Metroid game, albeit in 3D.

Anyway, I must agree with not being very excited with GK yet, due to not actually knowing much about it. I guess if Capcom decide to show some more info with us (say at TGS, for instance), then maybe my interest will start to climb somewhat.
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Supposedly Famitsu is releasing another article about Kenji sometime this week, and it's also going to be brought up at the AA Concert on the 23rd, so within the next few weeks we're going to see some new information coming in fast (I hope!).
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Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?

I'm not saying there aren't any I just can't think of any at the moment.


There is a video game series in my country which I'm sure you don't know about whose name is XianYuan Sword, whenever they release a new game of the series, a spin off game is following. And weird enough, the spin off games are always much more successful than the original ones so far.
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This game would've been perfectly fine if it was exactly like PW/AP,except through the eyes of Edgey,but on the prosecutor's side.


But then the court room scene would be very boring since you've already know who's the killer and how the murder occurred and etc...well it would boring unless you wanna be turned about by the defense lawyer. :hotti:

Just my own opinions though~





They would probably be different cases though. Edgeworth never lost a case until he met Phoenix and Edgeworth and Maya started at the same time. When it was Phoenix's first case, wasn't Maya in her 2nd or 3rd year of being an attourney? If there are 5 cases a year, thats 14 cases right there. (14 because in Mia and Edgeworth's first year, one of those cases was case 4 in PW:T&T.)

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This is where I get to say, totally called it :edgy:

Latest Famitsu confirmed that Kenji will have a "Confrontation" section where you press, present, and object to witnesses just like a cross examination phase, thus mirroring AA's court based gameplay. Does this change any minds about Kenji? Is it enough, or is it just not the same without being in an actual courtroom?
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It's not, Due do to lack of Udgey.
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It's definitely more than enough for me. :edgy:

...but that's only because as long as Edgeworth's in the game, I don't care what happens. XD
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Bah! Who needs Udgey!

This game is going to be EPIC.

It's a little early to say, but I think I may end up liking the gameplay better than the PW/AJ games.
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Regy Rusty wrote:
Bah! Who needs Udgey!


*cocks gun* I'l pretend I didn't hear that.
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Ceres wrote:
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Bah! Who needs Udgey!


*cocks gun* I'l pretend I didn't hear that.

Here's to hoping that there will be an Udgey cameo in the game.

An Ace Attorney game without the Judge... I don't know if I want to think about that.
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PJ812 wrote:
I'm not all that excited about this game.

I mean,the reason that I liked AA so much was because it was reading,with the player contributing to the climax of the story.With this new game/series,I'll actually have to walk around and talk while doing all this other crap by using "cooking mama" esque motions on the touch screen,I'll be truly disappointed if this interferes with the reading.


Hotel Dusk has similar reading gameplay, but does let you run around (though it's first-persion view most of the time, rather than third-person). It doesn't really add or subtract anything from the gameplay, though there's a few places akin to the minigames in AJ. My guess is they just wanted to show off the stronger capabilities of the DS over the GBA. (Note: I haven't finished Hotel Dusk yet -- if there's some significant action-based part I haven't seen yet, please don't spoil me.)

Going graphical hasn't killed the text adventure -- going a little 3-D shouldn't hurt this series.
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to be completely honest, I can't wait for the game to come out >.< It looks awesome! Edgey and Gumshoe are not my favourite characters, but they work together really well (plus, they look far better now, edgey had a few pretty ugly sprites IMO).
Seriously, I won't miss the stupid audience or the constant "Order! Order! ORDER!!!11", sure Udgey is great, but Edgey cross-examinating the witnesses in his office or somewhere else would be really cool and Gumshoe could replace our brainless judge somehow. I'm glad I can enjoy the loveable AA cast in a new skin and gameplay. I mean, GS and GK may play differently, but they're still about murder mysteries. And I do hope that GK will be a little bit harder than GS. At least they shouldn't try to make the killer too obvious.
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Tbh, i was like 'OMG EDGEWORTH!' at first, but I've just looked at some of the screen shots and...

I've kind of been put off.

I mean, it's great, but I can see it having a rubbish story like the AJ series.

And you have to walk around? In a horrible 3D mode? And, NO UDGEY?!

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Bah, that's just my opinion. Hopefully, it will be a good game - but after a while sequels just get worse and worse.

*cough final fantasy cough*
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I'm even more excited about this game now that we have little more information. I can't wait to play the logic mode. Of course, I can imagine I will be going to game faqs alot during that phase.

I wonder how the tutorial case will play out? Since this is a totally new type of game play, do you think it will be longer than the GS tutorial cases?
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