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You weren't intentionally trying to be mean or rude to anyone. It's the people that purposfully try to rain on another's parade with the intent to irk that are considered irriatating in my opinion.


*nods in agreement* Exactly.

...now, how about that Franny? >_>
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You weren't intentionally trying to be mean or rude to anyone. It's the people that purposfully try to rain on another's parade with the intent to irk that are considered irriatating in my opinion.


*nods in agreement* Exactly.

...now, how about that Franny? >_>


I wonder if the will only be in the second case? They said she had a big role, but will it only be contained within that one case or throughout the game?
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I wonder if the will only be in the second case? They said she had a big role, but will it only be contained within that one case or throughout the game?


Hopefully the whole game. :)

If she has a big role, I'm going to guess it's throughout the whole game. Since when has the second case been that important? I think Lamiroir was in the second case of AJ, and she had a big role, but it was a big role throughout the whole game (even if she wasn't there much...) So, I think that even if Franzy is only in the second case, they'll still probably mention her a lot throughout the game.
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(A bit late, and everyone else already said it, but you don't have to worry about that sort of stuff, Crowley. Sorry for bitching at you; I was just frustrated at my own inability to get my point across. We all know you're some cool beans :phoenix: )

(... and Lamirroir appeared in 4-3, btw. And 1-2 and 2-2 were quite relevant to series.)

I don't think that they would hazard to call her a major character if she wasn't part of the rising action or the climax. I, for one, would be quite rabid if they cheaped out and only put her in the second case. But, thankfully, Franziska wouldn't seem to have much reason to show up for the second case and then disappear once the case is over unless she's the murderer. I'm thinking that she'll get caught up in something important, or she'll be key bringing the culprit to justice in one of the latter cases, like Edgeworth was in 2-4.
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I don't think that they would hazard to call her a major character if she wasn't part of the rising action or the climax. I, for one, would be quite rabid if they cheaped out and only put her in the second case. But, thankfully, Franziska wouldn't seem to have much reason to show up for the second case and then disappear once the case is over unless she's the murderer. I'm thinking that she'll get caught up in something important, or she'll be key bringing the culprit to justice in one of the latter cases, like Edgeworth was in 2-4.


Sounds good to me. :-D

Though for some reason I really want to see her as a murder suspect. Not the real murderer, just a suspect.
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Most of the people that are considered to have a major role are at least mentioned a lot throughout the game and I think they all also appear in the last case too.
So I think she'll be in more than the second case.
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Though for some reason I really want to see her as a murder suspect. Not the real murderer, just a suspect.


Oh God, DO want! I really REALLY don't want her to be a murderer, but I do want to see her as a suspect. But I do also want to see her prosecute Edgeworth. Maybe I just like the thought of those two prosecuting each other?
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T&T even goes so far as to give Gumshoe extra dialogue about how the police all knew and were fond of Mia - which of course played no part in his decision to charge her sister with murder.


As I recall in AA, Gumshoe mentions he knows Mia when you talk to him when going to get Maya's phone bacl. If you hit the "Mia" (or whatever it is) conversation button after going through the Mia conversation already, he mentions that she was a "beautiful person". I also think he says that everyone down in the precinct knew her but I'm not sure. >_> I'd have to replay the case.
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Hmm... Franny as a murder suspect sounds good... I'd love to see her expression when she's being treated as one... But, this seemed unlikely to me cuz Edgeworth is being treated as a suspect in Case 2... and making Franny the suspect would seemed... repetitive...?

Judging from the past series, you usually get the most development and information about the characters when they are personally involved in the case... Developers mentioned in TGS that she's going to take on a major role but, if she's not going to be a suspect {hopefully not a victim or the real murderer } and Edgeworth have more than enough assistants already. A rival may seem like a major character but... rival characters get very little character developments if they are not involved in a case... {That would be like JFA all over again... hopefully it doesn't resort to that } :yuusaku:

Capcom... I really wonder how you are going to pull this one out... :whip:
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{hopefully not a victim or the real murderer }


If she's the victim or the real murderer, I'm literally going to cry and stop playing these games!
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If she's the victim or the real murderer, I'm literally going to cry and stop playing these games!


I don't think you'll have to worry about that. This game is supposed to take place around T&T, in which Franziska appears in the last case. One of the screenshots from a promo article (the one in the "Is that Sal Manella?" topic, if you're curious) reads "Mei, you've returned from America." Therefore, her appearance in GK takes place AFTER she gets back on the plane at the end of JFA, but BEFORE her return in T&T, in which Edgeworth already knows that Franziska is back from Europe. In that case, she can't be dead and she can't be in prison.
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Pink Princess wrote:
If she's the victim or the real murderer, I'm literally going to cry and stop playing these games!


I don't think you'll have to worry about that. This game is supposed to take place around T&T, in which Franziska appears in the last case. One of the screenshots from a promo article (the one in the "Is that Sal Manella?" topic, if you're curious) reads "Mei, you've returned from America." Therefore, her appearance in GK takes place AFTER she gets back on the plane at the end of JFA, but BEFORE her return in T&T, in which Edgeworth already knows that Franziska is back from Europe. In that case, she can't be dead and she can't be in prison.


I don't understand. How do we know that it takes place after T&T? The only clue I've seen is that Gumshoe's age is the same as in T&T, but that could mean that it takes place after T&T too, and we don't know when Gumshoe's birthday is, do we?

In T&T, Edgeworth was the one who called her back, so of course he knew she was back then. But she was only in America (Japan) to help Edgeworth and Phoenix, and then she probably returned to Europe (America). How do we know it doesn't take place a little while after T&T, and she had to return again for something?

I've seen all the screen shots. I just fail to see how that one tells us the timeline. The timeline has not been confirmed yet.

And no, I'm not saying that Franziska is the murderer or the victim, I'm just saying that I don't think we can base the timeline on that one screenshot.
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Pink Princess wrote:
I've seen all the screen shots. I just fail to see how that one tells us the timeline. The timeline has not been confirmed yet.


This is very true. The only things we have to offer right now are speculations. One screen shot with an airplane can tell us nothing about when the game takes place within the established timeline.
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I've seen all the screen shots. I just fail to see how that one tells us the timeline. The timeline has not been confirmed yet.


This is very true. The only things we have to offer right now are speculations. One screen shot with an airplane can tell us nothing about when the game takes place within the established timeline.


From the Gyakuten Kenji FAQ thread:

Q. When does the game take place?

A. The dev team has said "around T&T." Gumshoe's age as listed in the demo is the same as his age in T&T, but they haven't come out and said if it was before or after 3-5.


So, yeah, I guess we don't have a pinpoint time as to when the game takes place.
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All of that's true, I'll admit. I still don't think they'll kill off :franny: any time soon.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Gumshoes gonna have to go back to being called "Scruffy" again. :franny:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Gumshoes gonna have to go back to being called "Scruffy" again. :franny:


Ahahaha! That's just going to remind of Pearl though...and then make me sad. :-( I think the chances of Pearl being in GK are very, very slim. XD
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Honestly, I'd like to see a prosecution battle like let's say in the vain of "a singing fight on stage". With Edgeworth and Franziska trying to steal the spotlight from each other.
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Poor Poor Gumshoe :sadshoe:
He's gonna go back to getting whipped affectionately by Fransiska.

Edgey will probably suffer too come to think of it.
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Honestly, I'd like to see a prosecution battle like let's say in the vain of "a singing fight on stage". With Edgeworth and Franziska trying to steal the spotlight from each other.

Traditional court cases are only assigned one prosecutor, aren't they? Maybe Franziska's role will be expanded to be Edgeworth's co-council or something... I mean, why would she fly in all the way from the States/Germany and not involve herself fully in the case?

That's an interesting idea though. I'd like to see a variation of it... maybe not having them try to steal the show, but I want to see them try to outdo each other. The dynamic between Edgey and Franny really needs to be expanded on; I want to know how each would react to the other upping the ante.
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Honestly, I'd like to see a prosecution battle like let's say in the vain of "a singing fight on stage". With Edgeworth and Franziska trying to steal the spotlight from each other.

:franny: Anything you can do, I can do better! I can do anything better than you!
:edgeworth: No you can't.
:franny: Yes I can.
(...and so forth)

Franzy in GK makes me so happy. She's my favorite character in the whole series and I didn't think she got enough character development so far in the games we have. She needs, at least, her own theme music. I don't care where she fits into the story, I'm just glad that they brought her back. It'd be nice if they gave her some new sprites (a new outfit maybe?)
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OMFG wrote:
Honestly, I'd like to see a prosecution battle like let's say in the vain of "a singing fight on stage". With Edgeworth and Franziska trying to steal the spotlight from each other.

Traditional court cases are only assigned one prosecutor, aren't they? Maybe Franziska's role will be expanded to be Edgeworth's co-council or something... I mean, why would she fly in all the way from the States/Germany and not involve herself fully in the case?

That's an interesting idea though. I'd like to see a variation of it... maybe not having them try to steal the show, but I want to see them try to outdo each other. The dynamic between Edgey and Franny really needs to be expanded on; I want to know how each would react to the other upping the ante.


In an American court room there's sometimes a team of prosecutors like there's a team of defense attourneys.
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OMFG wrote:
Honestly, I'd like to see a prosecution battle like let's say in the vain of "a singing fight on stage". With Edgeworth and Franziska trying to steal the spotlight from each other.

:franny: Anything you can do, I can do better! I can do anything better than you!
:edgeworth: No you can't.
:franny: Yes I can.
(...and so forth)

Franzy in GK makes me so happy. She's my favorite character in the whole series and I didn't think she got enough character development so far in the games we have. She needs, at least, her own theme music. I don't care where she fits into the story, I'm just glad that they brought her back. It'd be nice if they gave her some new sprites (a new outfit maybe?)


XD The skit made me think of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmv5_h_xUOA

I'd love to see a new outfit. Before I ever saw her lower half in official art, I always imagined her in these shiny tight black pants, like completely formfitting. XD Don't ask me why...it seemed like it fit.
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Im so glad that Franny is back :franny:

She is my favorite character and thinking this... when is the storyline placed before, or after GS1 and 2 cause... Miles and Franny don`t see each other for a long time and if they saw each other, how many years ago...

Well I suppose they met before GS1 so... that the story fits with the actual idea but one of my main questions is: Will the storyline reach GS1 or to be more exact the meeting between Phoenix and Miles??

That`s all.

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The storyline will take place 'around T&T'. Whether that's right before T&T, during T&T, or right after T&T, we're not sure.

I think that's what you were asking anyway. XD Sorry if you weren't.
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I'm so excited about Franziska in the new game. She has been one of my favorite characters.

About Franziska's role...

In the game, not only are you not playing court cases-- Edgeworth isn't playing court cases. Maybe Edgey and Franziska are in a team, Edgey's doing the investigating while Franziska's doing the court cases.

Since we're missing a mentor. You could go to Franziska and be all "hmm, maybe, I should run this over with Franziska to see what she might think of this." Or the "What to do" at random times in the Prosecuters Office.

Or she could be a part of logic mode. "I know! It's John Doe!" -WHIP- "Only a foolhardy foolish fool would come to such a foolishly foolish conclusion!" "I guess that means I'm wrong..." (PENALTY)
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I feel sorry for Gumshoe now. He is gonna be getting alot of whipping from Franzika.
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I feel sorry for Gumshoe too, but I can't wait to see the whipping animation :edgy:
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I feel sorry for Gumshoe too, but I can't wait to see the whipping animation :edgy:


Haha, me too. XD

And she'd better not dare try it on Edgey! O_o
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Oh, no. She better not O.O She may get bumped down on my list of favorite characters if she does. XD
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:yuusaku: Has she never whipped him before? Like ever?
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If my memory serves me correctly, she's only whipped him once, when you press Bikini about her bath in 3-5.
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She also whips him when he's moping
Spoiler: 3-5
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In the process of telling him to get fresh air.
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Ah, you're right.

Well, she never whipped him until 3-5. We never played as him until 3-5.

So, by the transitive property of Franzy whipping...Franziska could very well whip him in GK. :adrian:
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Actualy, I think Franziska doesn't whip Edgeworth is becuase she considers him as an equal. During some point in JFA, she calls him a brother or something like that.
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Ah, you're right.

Well, she never whipped him until 3-5. We never played as him until 3-5.

So, by the transitive property of Franzy whipping...Franziska could very well whip him in GK. :adrian:


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Actualy, I think Franziska doesn't whip Edgeworth is becuase she considers him as an equal. During some point in JFA, she calls him a brother or something like that.

Franziska and Edgeworth were raised together, and they have a very sibling-like bond. Franziska doesn't 'call' Edgeworth her younger brother 'or something like that'; she feels that he is her younger brother. She doesn't view him as an equal but as someone inferior, and at the same time someone superior who she must strip of their superiority. IIRC the sibling angle has already been discussed, at least once, in this topic, and both facets of their relationship were plainly stated, more than once, in the games themselves.
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Well maybe the fact she doesn't whip him much is a sign she doesn't like him :gymshoe: She whips gumshoe cause she likes him after all...it's like her version of a hug.
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