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Concerning Franziska's role in GK: I just hope her role doesn't interfere with Edgeworth's too often. This is supposed to be his game after all! 
I totally agree with you there. ^_^
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I totally agree with you there. ^_^
I hope at the most she is just there to try and antagonize Edgeworth. She'll say how pathetic he is and try to steal the case from him.
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Croik wrote:
I'm glad that Franziska's in the game, if only because I actually didn't like her that much in JFA and T&T. She always felt underdeveloped to me: more like Karma Lite, all gimmick with no real punch. With Kenji there's a chance that she'll have more time to really develop, which would be great, because I do *want* to like her.
much like how i feel
in GS2 you had the whole "i'm going to cry :(" thing at the end which came out of absolutely nowhere and, to me, only served to make her an even flatter character.
here's to hoping she'll get some sort of development in GK
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So I guess I'm the only one with the horribly morbid theory that Edgeworth will get terribly hurt somehow and Franziska will have to step in and prosecute the one who hurt him. ><;
Edit: Or I could, you know, look at the inset screenshot in which that's clearly NOT the case... Fail. XP
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Croik wrote:
I'm glad that Franziska's in the game, if only because I actually didn't like her that much in JFA and T&T. She always felt underdeveloped to me: more like Karma Lite, all gimmick with no real punch. With Kenji there's a chance that she'll have more time to really develop, which would be great, because I do *want* to like her.
And the little we did see of her in T&T was just a rehash of her JFA personality. She didn't grow as a character at all between that time and the time we meet with her again. I also got annoyed that she didn't defend herself when Godot made his remarks about her.
Here's to hoping that we learn more about the youngest von Karma daughter. Other than she likes to whip people and she thinks everyone is a foolishly foolish fool.
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I think of Franziska as a complicated character, but that could be because I read a lot of fanfiction. I'd still love to see her character and her relationship with Edgeworth developed more. I'd like to know why she feels the need to intimidate people with her whip. (My guess would be that she's afraid no one will take a teenage girl seriously.) She's really not as tough as she acts; I'd like to see a little more of her "not so mean" side.
I thought 3-5 Franziska had changed a little bit. She was more helpful (though that's probably because she's working with Edgeworth) and abused the word "fool" a little bit less.
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Croik wrote:
I'm glad that Franziska's in the game, if only because I actually didn't like her that much in JFA and T&T. She always felt underdeveloped to me: more like Karma Lite, all gimmick with no real punch. With Kenji there's a chance that she'll have more time to really develop, which would be great, because I do *want* to like her.
Yeah, she has potential. It'd be nice if she grew beyond the whipping and foolish fool gimmicks as personality.
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Emperor Ing wrote:
I don't think Franziska ever whipped Edgeworth at all in the games.
I don't think she whips people who are stronger than her.
I don't think she whips people who are stronger than her.
Um, she only whips him once Edgy once in the entire game.Spoiler:
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Lunaria42 wrote:
Croik wrote:
I'm glad that Franziska's in the game, if only because I actually didn't like her that much in JFA and T&T. She always felt underdeveloped to me: more like Karma Lite, all gimmick with no real punch. With Kenji there's a chance that she'll have more time to really develop, which would be great, because I do *want* to like her.
And the little we did see of her in T&T was just a rehash of her JFA personality. She didn't grow as a character at all between that time and the time we meet with her again.[/b] I also got annoyed that she didn't defend herself when Godot made his remarks about her.[/b]
Here's to hoping that we learn more about the youngest von Karma daughter. Other than she likes to whip people and she thinks everyone is a foolishly foolish fool.
Incidentally, is there any translation for the Japanese text on her picture available?
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And the little we did see of her in T&T was just a rehash of her JFA personality. She didn't grow as a character at all between that time and the time we meet with her again. I also got annoyed that she didn't defend herself when Godot made his remarks about her.
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Really? I thought she was noticeably less ruthless in T&T, and seemed overall a bit more pleasant.
To me she still seemed obsessed with her perfect record instead of learning that you can grow from your mistakes and failures. I will admit, she did help Phoenix, but I think that could have had more to do with Miles' influence rather than some other altruistic feeling. If she grew as a character at all, it wasn't a very big change compared to Edgeworth's growth in the series.
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'Course, it's hard to tell with only two witnesses to go on.
I felt like her personality was kind of watered down in 3-5, actually.
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Ooh, wouldn't it be great if she had her own theme in the game?
Think of it, a theme that Franziska can call her own. I mean, she is one of the few main characters of the game that does not have one.
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Hooray for Franziska topic! Gumshoe beware!
I'm hoping too that she changes a bit and maybe we find out about her older sister or neice!
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hippietree12 wrote:
Isn't there a Great Revival Franziska version? I know I have it on my iPod...
Yeah, but it's the same thing as Edgeworth's Great Revival, just the first ten seconds are changed.
I'm hoping for more development of Franziska's character. Even JFA was really about Edgeworth. She got a little nicer at the end of JFA (but only really to Adrian...) and she got a little nicer in T&T but not enough to really show development.
And I kind of hope she DOES steal the spotlight from Edgeworth in this game. He stole the spotlight from her in JFA, and I really think she would have had more development if she actually prosecuted that case. Also, the first three games were called "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" and yet you can play as Mia and Edgeworth at certain points. So yeah, I would LOVE to be able to play as her, or for her to have a major, big, important role in Gyakuten Kenji. Sorry, Edgworth, but Franziska needs some time to develop now.
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And I kind of hope she DOES steal the spotlight from Edgeworth in this game. He stole the spotlight from her in JFA, and I really think she would have had more development if she actually prosecuted that case. Also, the first three games were called "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" and yet you can play as Mia and Edgeworth at certain points. So yeah, I would LOVE to be able to play as her, or for her to have a major, big, important role in Gyakuten Kenji. Sorry, Edgworth, but Franziska needs some time to develop now.
As much as I'd love to see Franziska develop, I feel like there'd be riots in the street if she stole the spotlight from Edgeworth.
Think about how irate many fans are about how AJ was more like "Phoenix Wright: Ex-Attorney." That was/is indignation for a character who didn't initially have a massive, frothing-at-the-mouth female fanbase such as Edgeworth does. I suppose you could argue that Phoenix did not need the character development, but Franziska does, but I still think they'd risk a lot of popularity if they made Franziska the focus rather than Edgeworth. I hope she has a large role, maybe even one equal to Edgeworth's--but not larger.
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What could be better than Edgey getting his own game? Edgey getting his own game where Franziska plays a major supporting role!
I think of Franziska as a complicated character, but that could be because I read a lot of fanfiction. I'd still love to see her character and her relationship with Edgeworth developed more. I'd like to know why she feels the need to intimidate people with her whip. (My guess would be that she's afraid no one will take a teenage girl seriously.) She's really not as tough as she acts; I'd like to see a little more of her "not so mean" side.
I thought 3-5 Franziska had changed a little bit. She was more helpful (though that's probably because she's working with Edgeworth) and abused the word "fool" a little bit less.
I think of Franziska as a complicated character, but that could be because I read a lot of fanfiction. I'd still love to see her character and her relationship with Edgeworth developed more. I'd like to know why she feels the need to intimidate people with her whip. (My guess would be that she's afraid no one will take a teenage girl seriously.) She's really not as tough as she acts; I'd like to see a little more of her "not so mean" side.
I thought 3-5 Franziska had changed a little bit. She was more helpful (though that's probably because she's working with Edgeworth) and abused the word "fool" a little bit less.
This. Word for word.
Franziska is one of my absolute favourite characters in the series, and I can't wait to see her in GK. Franziska is a major influence on Edgeworth's character, and a game about Edgeworth really wouldn't be complete without her. She wasn't woefully underdeveloped, I thought, in the series, but indeed she didn't receive as much attention or development as she deserved. Franziska and Edgeworth are a powerful duo (trio, counting Gumshoe), but I am a little scared that their dynamic in GK will be identical to their one in 3-5. As much as I loved the interaction between them in T&T, I'm looking for something fresh that tells us that either one or both of them has developed further.
Any chance that Franziska will bring back the Phoenix card in GK?
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As much as I'd love to see Franziska develop, I feel like there'd be riots in the street if she stole the spotlight from Edgeworth.
Think about how irate many fans are about how AJ was more like "Phoenix Wright: Ex-Attorney." That was/is indignation for a character who didn't initially have a massive, frothing-at-the-mouth female fanbase such as Edgeworth does. I suppose you could argue that Phoenix did not need the character development, but Franziska does, but I still think they'd risk a lot of popularity if they made Franziska the focus rather than Edgeworth. I hope she has a large role, maybe even one equal to Edgeworth's--but not larger.
I don't know. Believe me, I'm one of the biggest Edgey girls out there you can find (I keep a pic of him in my wallet where I should put my driver's license, etc.), and I wouldn't mind if Franziska 'stole the spotlight' a little from Edgey, since he DID kinda steal it from her in JFA. I'm pretty sure most Edgeworth fangirls have a pretty supportive view of Franziska, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
But I don't want her to overshadow him. Edgey may have 'stolen the spotlight' in 2-4, but he didn't overshadow her. It's still Franziska's game, nix Phoenix. XD Their roles were pretty equal. Her sobbing at the end showed her insecurity and further labeled her as the one who hasn't figured out what a lawyer's real job is. She got the spotlight there. But, true, everyone remembers 2-4 as the case when Edgey came back. Only 'cause we missed him so much!
So, in summary, if Franziska got the focus for a little while, I really wouldn't mind, and I don't think my fellow Edgey fangirls would either.
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As much as I'd love to see Franziska develop, I feel like there'd be riots in the street if she stole the spotlight from Edgeworth. Think about how irate many fans are about how AJ was more like "Phoenix Wright: Ex-Attorney." That was/is indignation for a character who didn't initially have a massive, frothing-at-the-mouth female fanbase such as Edgeworth does. I suppose you could argue that Phoenix did not need the character development, but Franziska does, but I still think they'd risk a lot of popularity if they made Franziska the focus rather than Edgeworth.
I hope she has a large role, maybe even one equal to Edgeworth's--but not larger.
Think about how irate many fans are about how AJ was more like "Phoenix Wright: Ex-Attorney." That was/is indignation for a character who didn't initially have a massive, frothing-at-the-mouth female fanbase such as Edgeworth does. I suppose you could argue that Phoenix did not need the character development, but Franziska does, but I still think they'd risk a lot of popularity if they made Franziska the focus rather than Edgeworth. I hope she has a large role, maybe even one equal to Edgeworth's--but not larger.
Good point. I honestly wouldn't mind it, but Edgeworth's got that crowd of fangirls that would probably be very upset if Franzy did steal the spotlight.
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) Anyway I suppose what I'm saying is thou Franziska is very dominating so is Edgeworth I dont think she could possibly over shadow him and I dont think he would ever really attempt to push her out of the picture too much. I like there interactions, they bring out the odd quirks in eachother..... (okey so maybe I'm the only lozer out there who wants childhood flash backs off those two >.< sorry to those who dont support Edgeworth x Franziska) He brings out her insecurity and plays an older brother role guiding her and she plays the jelous little sister looking up to him as a mentor well as the same time wanting to steal the stage. She still has alot to learn and he has alot to offer. They bring out the best and the worst of eachother when they're together.
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Shin-Ra wrote:
(okey so maybe I'm the only lozer out there who wants childhood flash backs off those two >.< sorry to those who dont support Edgeworth x Franziska)
I really want to see childhood flashbacks with them too. I don't ship them though, I think of them as siblings, which is actually why I want to see flashbacks with them.
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Pink Princess wrote:
Shin-Ra wrote:
(okey so maybe I'm the only lozer out there who wants childhood flash backs off those two >.< sorry to those who dont support Edgeworth x Franziska)
I really want to see childhood flashbacks with them too. I don't ship them though, I think of them as siblings, which is actually why I want to see flashbacks with them.
Better yet, a flashback case!
Where you play as young Edgey for the entire case and solve either some trivial mystery, Von Karma is all like "my kid could solve this fool!", or you see the start of something that doesn't come together until the final case.
After all Edgey was okay enough to help Phoenix out in his class room trial, who says he couldn't solve a case as a kid, especially after a few years of being under Von Karma's wing!
Or not, I'm just making stuff up.
And yeah, I'm not a fan of them together either, but I do want to see their sibling dynamic fleshed out.
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(okey so maybe I'm the only lozer out there who wants childhood flash backs off those two >.< sorry to those who dont support Edgeworth x Franziska)
I really want to see childhood flashbacks with them too. I don't ship them though, I think of them as siblings, which is actually why I want to see flashbacks with them.
Better yet, a flashback case!
Where you play as young Edgey for the entire case and solve either some trivial mystery, Von Karma is all like "my kid could solve this fool!", or you see the start of something that doesn't come together until the final case.
After all Edgey was okay enough to help Phoenix out in his class room trial, who says he couldn't solve a case as a kid, especially after a few years of being under Von Karma's wing!
Or not, I'm just making stuff up.
And yeah, I'm not a fan of them together either, but I do want to see their sibling dynamic fleshed out.
This. All this.
I'm def not a shipper, but a huge supporter of the sibling pairing thing. I want to see the day when Edgey came to the von Karma house, nine years old, and meeting two year old Franziska. I want to see him when he was like fifteen and she was like seven. I want to see them solving things together, or competing for von Karma's approval by solving something first.
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As for a flashback case, I really don't think it would fit into what this game has been set up to be.
Also, I'm about the only person in the universe who thinks that Edgeworth and Franziska have more feelings for each other than a sibling relationship, but I'm also not a shipper in ANY sense so I don't really care.
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I really don't think there's any chance of Franziska overshadowing Edgeworth. After all, we'll be PLAYING as Edgeworth so I don't think it's very likely we'll switch to her at some point. Therefore, no matter what part she has it's inherently going to be smaller than Edgeworth's.
As for a flashback case, I really don't think it would fit into what this game has been set up to be.
Also, I'm about the only person in the universe who thinks that Edgeworth and Franziska have more feelings for each other than a sibling relationship, but I'm also not a shipper in ANY sense so I don't really care.
As for a flashback case, I really don't think it would fit into what this game has been set up to be.
Also, I'm about the only person in the universe who thinks that Edgeworth and Franziska have more feelings for each other than a sibling relationship, but I'm also not a shipper in ANY sense so I don't really care.
Well, the first three games were about Phoenix, yet we got to play as Mia and Edgeworth for a bit, and the fourth game was about Apollo, yet we still got to play as Phoenix for a bit.
And I think Franziska and Edgeworth have more feelings for each other than a simple sibling relationship, but definitely not in any romantic kind of way. I think growing up with Manfred, they've developed a deep bond (that's not romantic!) that goes further than the kind of bond siblings usually have.
Sure, Franziska claims that she's always hated Miles, but does she REALLY mean that? There's definitely more to their relationship than that.
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Sure, Franziska claims that she's always hated Miles, but does she REALLY mean that? There's definitely more to their relationship than that.
Wait. Where does Franziska say she hates Miles? I mean, I know she says it in T&T, because he stole her revenge on Phoenix. But we all know that doesn't go very deep. Before that, and correct me if my memory is failing, but it seemed like she had quite the approval of him. Remember how mad she was at Phoenix for 'killing' him in JFA?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMGYOGoZBA
It sounded to me like one of those rivalry type things though.. because it seems to me like she doesn't want to live a life without Edgeworth, and this "hate" just kinda means jealousy of him always being one step ahead of her throughout their lives since she feels the need to be the best.
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She said it in the end of JFA when they were at the airport. If you want some context:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMGYOGoZBA
It sounded to me like one of those rivalry type things though.. because it seems to me like she doesn't want to live a life without Edgeworth, and this "hate" just kinda means jealousy of him always being one step ahead of her throughout their lives since she feels the need to be the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMGYOGoZBA
It sounded to me like one of those rivalry type things though.. because it seems to me like she doesn't want to live a life without Edgeworth, and this "hate" just kinda means jealousy of him always being one step ahead of her throughout their lives since she feels the need to be the best.
Yeah, I agree. He's kinda of a threat, I guess. But still, I feel like she doesn't hate him. I feel like she doesn't understand him anymore is all, since he's gotten past his 'demon days' of perfect-record-and-nothing-else. He's learned something she hasn't, but it might look to her like he's simply become a fool.
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DarknessLord wrote:
Also, I want to see loli Fran badly!
NO. I WILL KILL IF THIS HAPPENS AND IT'S SEXUAL, EVEN IF I GET THE DEATH SENTENCE. EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T MEAN IT.
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Re: Franziska in Gyakuten Kenji
I'd say
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