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And annihilate half the fanbase?


If Edgey and Maya don't show up in the AJ2, it's equal to killing them.They've already made Nick become a hobo, and it's worse than killing him.

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What they really ought to do is just use this game as a test, and if it does well, have the sequel star Klavier. Then there would be plenty of time and reason to further develop the Gavins' backstories.

Plus Ema snackoo'ing the daylights out of her prosecutor :D


Could be a good mini game, How many snackoo's can you throw at Klavier lol.



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Although I would absolutely love having Kristoph to go against in court, as he is my favourite defense attorney.
That won't be him.
I am 90% sure it is not him.

Even though he is blond, wears glasses etc
the face structure and skin colour gives it away,
Also, assuming he'd be acting as defense, Edgeworth would know his name.
Usually on the profile screen, one of the first people you see is the victim or defendant.
Mabye the victim has been unidentified? Hence the ?????
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true enough, i dont think it'll be Kristoph, but when you look at the profile pictures clothes they do look like something a defense attorney would wear.
However, his glaring look does look like he is the suspect. so i guess it cant be Kristoph then...
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I was thinking it might be Manfred... However unlikely that may seem. XD I guess it's because of the white skin and all. The person in the screenshot isn't exactly vampire-white like Manfred, but still...
Then again, if it takes place somewhere around the AA3 portion of the timeline... We just went from unlikely to impossible. Like, "you and common sense are speaking two different languages" impossible. :P
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I was thinking it might be Manfred... However unlikely that may seem. XD I guess it's because of the white skin and all. The person in the screenshot isn't exactly vampire-white like Manfred, but still...
Then again, if it takes place somewhere around the AA3 portion of the timeline... We just went from unlikely to impossible. Like, "you and common sense are speaking two different languages" impossible. :P


Isn't Manfred dead by that time in the story, though? Unless he spent an awful long time on Death Row. It is acknowledged I think in 2 (or the end of 3 I don't remember) that Franny lost her daddy. At least they make us assume he's gone. And we will 99.9% never see him again.

I really don't think that the dude is Krissi. I spend HOURS a day looking at pictures of Kristoph Gavin and I don't see any true resemblence at all. I think the hair colour and the tan were just a coincidence. Really, now, as far as skin colours go (besides :zenitora: ) how many shades can they go through? There aren't very many, if any african americans in Japan, and the game designers choose skin shades that *somewhat* resemble their population.

Klavi and his short hair may have been a brief 'rebelling' phase back then. We are left in the dark on the Gavins' past. Who knows, Klavi was a youngin' then lol. In lots of relationships, there's sibling rivalry. That could have been the case. Instead of Klavi wanting to be like his brother, maybe he wanted to be different.

And to further support the theory with canon fact, why else would Klavi be a prosecutor, and Krissi a defense attorney? They've prolly fought against each other in court. Krissi could have beat his bro a couple times as well. We know that Krissi is this famous, renowned defense attorney, and we don't hear very much about how famous Klavi is on the law side of things. (We all know he has 3 platinum hit singles with the Gavinners, and that he has 'special powers' being a prosecutor, but that's like his only claim to fame.)

Maybe Krissi will make an appearance in this game, but I don't see him as that character that we saw. We also never thought the possibility that Klavi and Miles could be aquaintences, ja? According to current theory and fact, after DL-6, Miles was raised by Manfred von Karma, who lived in Germany. Klavier has german influences, and he speaks fragments of the language in the game. As close as the characters in the game are connected, it's possible they could have met at some point. Maybe in another required prosecutor's meeting. *insert non-existant laughing hobohodo smiley*

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Kristoph is more >:D than D:<

Probably not, but who knows? Could be. Or couldn't be?

I'm going to wait for the game to come out and try to see for myself.
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Well we also know that Krissi has a dark side, and inside he's really D:<


With the magazine scans theres a slightly larger picture of this mystery dude.... The more I stare at it, the more less likely it seems to be Krissi. I WANT it to be Krissi, and it would indeed be awesomeness if it WAS Krissi. We'll just have to wait and see D=
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It's probably just some creepy blonde guy not related to any of the previous games. They knew fans would be speculating that's probably why they put it in the trailer.

However, you never really know with Capcom.

I just hope it's not him.
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To be honest, he looks most like a victim. It'd make sense - you don't have an opposing attorney model, making the victim you find (?) the first profile in the list. Plus, victims tend to have a serious or I-have-no-personality-I'm-dead look.
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Don't be silly, that's clearly Darth Maul.
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Also, the game isnt finished and that the company may have used teh ? to not give away the victim's name since it might be a pun that may lead to some info on he died or who killed him.

Another reason is maybe they have several names for the guy and haven't decided what to call him yet
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hmm I'd have to say it doesn't look like Kristoph, nor do I want it to be him.
I want this spinoff to have very little, or none, of Apollo Justice. Don't get me wrong, the storyline's great, but this spinoff is giving us a chance to go back to the pre-Apollo world and take a look at some parts of PW that weren't delved into very far. I don't think having Kristoph in there would add to the story. AAaaaaand yaddayadda yea that's my two cents on that.

But besides glasses & blonde hair, I'd say this guy doesn't look important. If anything, I'd say this guy is the victim. I mean, I can never seem to remember who the victim is since they don't look very interesting (the first time I went on CR and saw the profile of Cindy Stone, I thought she was a new character I hadn't seen yet... although I had almost finished T&T by that time -_-) and this guy doesn't seem to capture my attention.

so.... yea. :yogi:
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The prove that he is not :garyuu: is :kyouya: 's dark memory
However, GK is happened around GS3 and what would :garyuu: do in this time?
HE prepared the forgery!It is quite fool to show his actual face to the producer of forgery.right?
Therefore,it make sense that he change his hair shape to meet the producer.
It is also the answer why the name is "??????"...because :edgeworth: could not recognize him even though he is famous.

Beside, if I was him,I would change the colour of hair.It can be said I just hope that it was him.
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I want this spinoff to have very little, or none, of Apollo Justice. Don't get me wrong, the storyline's great, but this spinoff is giving us a chance to go back to the pre-Apollo world and take a look at some parts of PW that weren't delved into very far. I don't think having Kristoph in there would add to the story. AAaaaaand yaddayadda yea that's my two cents on that.


What I wouldn't mind is some referencing, like the references to Maggey and Très Bien in 1-5. Guy Eldoon, especially when walking outside all the time, is an easy character to put in, and posters for the Gavinners - why not?
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The prove that he is not :garyuu: is :kyouya: 's dark memory
However, GK is happened around GS3 and what would :garyuu: do in this time?
HE prepared the forgery!It is quite fool to show his actual face to the producer of forgery.right?
Therefore,it make sense that he change his hair shape to meet the producer.
It is also the answer why the name is "??????"...because :edgeworth: could not recognize him even though he is famous.

Beside, if I was him,I would change the colour of hair.It can be said I just hope that it was him.



And we really don't know about the picture, or the case at all. For all we know Edgey could've been handed a photograph of ?????? that could be recent, or a past photograph. It might be a clue left at the scene of the crime, or a clue that Edgey came upon while investigating, someone gave it to him, etc.

So not only is the identity of the person unknown, so is the age of the photo, and without details about how Edgey came to have this picture and how it pertains to the casel, we've got nothing to go on to say that this ISN'T Krissi or it IS Krissi.


We'll just have to play GK and see :)
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When I first saw the screenshot I did think it was Kristoph but when I looked a bit closer it didn't really fit together.
My guess is that its the victim or the son of this guy:
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I know that those two characters don't look alike for a father and son but then again, Drew Misham and Vera have no resemblance either.
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Take in count she could look like her mother.
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When I first saw the screenshot I did think it was Kristoph but when I looked a bit closer it didn't really fit together.
My guess is that its the victim or the son of this guy:
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I know that those two characters don't look alike for a father and son but then again, Drew Misham and Vera have no resemblance either.

Spoiler: 4-1
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Probably a coincidence, but their hair and clothing look a lot alike.

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He kindalookslike Kristoph, theres a possiblility but if he is kristoph then he has to have some part in the case Edgey has taken on or else having Kristoph in some random case with an Olga Orlyish man wouldn't make any sense
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It's probably not Kristoph, the person there looks very different. But it would be cool if he was in it. Not Olga Orly either.
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Yeah, he looks like Kristoph, but I don't think that is him (But I wish to see him in the game)... Why?

¿Has Edgeworth any motive to meet him?
I don't think so, he can be just a Defense Attorney in a certain case, but... Why we have his profile first?
All of us know that the game will be protagonized by Edgeworth and Gumshoe, so the first profile mut be Gumshoe's, it's like in the GS games, the first profile is always the profile of the companion (Maya & Trucy)

The idea about seeing his mysterious background could be a great idea... But... Why Edgeworth has to know that? He won't apear in GS5, if he could apear in GS5 it could make some sense...

The guy of the photo looks like more a Victime or a Suspect without memory (That could Explain the ????)... but don't get your hopes down, we could see Kristoph in the game =D
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The royalish guy looks a LOT like Olga, but I can kind of see Kristoph in the other guy, but can't see it. It'd be nice, and I think he will be in the game, but this isn't him.

But what's wrong with tying together the two arcs? I'd like it very much if it happened. :godot:

Wait, when did they reference Maggey in 1-5? :meekins:
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Wait, when did they reference Maggey in 1-5? :meekins:


That they did, there was a small picture of her in gumshoe's locker, they had a reference to KOB security with Gant's safe and one of Gumshoe's memos was on a Tres Bien flier, the case was pretty nice in terms of references. Although I don't think it's kristoph I think it would be good his character was not well developed in AJ but he had a lot of potential.
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Oh...

Well, I also know that they mentioned 3-4, because the jacket Edgey wore was framed on the wall in his office.
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Well, that's definetely NOT the blond guy's son. If he was, you would know his name. However, Edgey talks with this blond dude (yes, THOSE are his names) and ???s appear on his/her name while talking...

"I don't think I have enough information yet. I guess I'll have to gather some more evidence." (or something like that) I think all this questions call for an INVESTIGATION TOPIC!
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I don't think so, he can be just a Defense Attorney in a certain case, but... Why we have his profile first?


That could be the second page of profiles, too. Maybe the mysterious blonde isn't the first entry, but the 9th? (or however many are on a page, I forget). He could just be a witness that Edgeworth ran into briefly but wasn't introduced to.
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I negate all claims of it not being Kristoph. As you can see, I've never even posted in the GK forum. I was looking through mag scans for my friend to show him the weird key girl just now, when something caught my eye. A profile picture. The first thing I thought was Kristoph. After seeing the comparison that Croik has provided, I am indeed convinced that he is Kristoph. It's all logical.
Personally, I don't want GS5 to be a bunch of looking back on Apollo's past and all. It's not like anybody gave a damn who Phoenix's parents were and when they had sex and whatever. I believe that since Edgeworth was absent in AJ, he will return in GS5. Perhaps GK will involve Kristoph (and maybe even a younger Apollo as a cliffhanger to GS5 or something). Nobody said he had to be the defense. There's no telling what his role may be, but the black psyche locks and scar certainly reveal a different Kristoph than his normal, cheery facade. Perhaps this will explain why Kristoph is so inexplicably evil and what secrets he holds?
And not to mention the resemblance. I agree that in the flashback screen he has drill hair. But how would the player recognize him if he didn't? It isn't like there hasn't been contradictions of that sort before in the games. And look at the slight curl thing in his bangs, the hair color, glasses, nose, etc. (What really got me was the jawline). And he's a rather major character, so I'd think they'd take the time to design a younger Kristoph for GK anyway.

Yeah, I'm done. :garyuu:
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Croik wrote:
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I don't think so, he can be just a Defense Attorney in a certain case, but... Why we have his profile first?


That could be the second page of profiles, too. Maybe the mysterious blonde isn't the first entry, but the 9th? (or however many are on a page, I forget). He could just be a witness that Edgeworth ran into briefly but wasn't introduced to.


No it isn't. The arrows indicating that you can switch between the screens isn't lit up.

Also, I'm retracting my last claim. I think this is Krissi, now.
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I'd say unless this Kristoph character appears in the next trailer (therefore making him an important character) I'm still dubious. Here's hoping for some new stuff at e3.
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I actually thought it was Kristoph too, but the more I thought about it, the more I ended up doubting it.

I mean,
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Let's face the facts: it be safe to say that Kristoph is (at a villain standpoint) comparable to Manfred Von Karma, Matt Engarde, or Dahlia Hawthorne. If this game is in fact about Prosecuting the accused, wouldn't it been safe to say that Edgeworth would have taken him down a long time ago?

And the appearance issue doesn't really hold up, because using that logic you could say that Phoenix and Furio were related.



Like Nose said, E3 will (hopefully) shed some light on this enigma. I'm one of the people who remains unconvinced until it does.
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What they really ought to do is just use this game as a test, and if it does well, have the sequel star Klavier.



In somewhat late, but... THIS.

I for one would love to know what his inner monologue is like. :kyouya-pull:
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I actually thought it was Kristoph too, but the more I thought about it, the more I ended up doubting it.

I mean,
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Let's face the facts: it be safe to say that Kristoph is (at a villain standpoint) comparable to Manfred Von Karma, Matt Engarde, or Dahlia Hawthorne. If this game is in fact about Prosecuting the accused, wouldn't it been safe to say that Edgeworth would have taken him down a long time ago?

And the appearance issue doesn't really hold up, because using that logic you could say that Phoenix and Furio were related.



Like Nose said, E3 will (hopefully) shed some light on this enigma. I'm one of the people who remains unconvinced until it does.


Spoiler: Same as above
Yes, however, unlike those others, there are still some things left unanswered about him. Like the scar, or the black psyche-locks. It's almost like they had this game in mind when they were finishing writing 4-4?

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Yes, however, unlike those others, there are still some things left unanswered about him. Like the scar, or the black psyche-locks. It's almost like they had this game in mind when they were finishing writing 4-4?



Spoiler: 1-5, 4-4
'tis possible, there are some allusions to JFA and T&T present in AA... I for one will keep the possibility open, and you have a point: There are things left unsolved about Kristoph, but with all due respect, I think that the Black Psyche Locks are the most important place to start.

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The_Metal wrote:
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Spoiler: Same as above
Yes, however, unlike those others, there are still some things left unanswered about him. Like the scar, or the black psyche-locks. It's almost like they had this game in mind when they were finishing writing 4-4?



Spoiler: 1-5, 4-4
'tis possible, there are some allusions to JFA and T&T present in AA... I for one will keep the possibility open, and you have a point: There are things left unsolved about Kristoph, but with all due respect, I think that the Black Psyche Locks are the most important place to start.


Spoiler: 4-4
True, maybe the scar and BPL are related?

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This is a relevant bump of this fairly old topic to say that any idea of this being Kristoph is now disproven, what as this fellow's dead, and Kristoph clearly is not.

Sorry to everyone who wanted it to be him. Instead that's our Case 2 victim, and I don't think his name's been revealed. I suspect however, that he might be related to Zinc White (aka Gypsy Man) due to the fact that they're both in the same case. Perhaps Edgeworth goes to notify a father of his son's death, only to discover that the father doesn't care that much?

Editin' mah post~ (sorry, I'm far too excited about all this)...

Upon examining the shots we've got so far, it looks like the room they talk to Zinc is actually the murder scene, so my theory about them visiting Zinc's home is wrong.
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I think the only similarity other than slight appearance we know for sure now though is that they are American it seems.
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Hey is it me or is the image here on the profile thing that of a younger Kristoph?

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Hmm, no i think that's a ad for LEGO StarWars....
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Now that we know it's not Kris, let's use this thread for speculation over the new blondie.

So far we really only know two things: he's dead, and he's a hottie! And it looks like a blunt-force trauma death to me.

Also if he's riding on that impossible swankfest of an airplane, he must be pretty rich as well.
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