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I mean,the reason that I liked AA so much was because it was reading,with the player contributing to the climax of the story.With this new game/series,I'll actually have to walk around and talk while doing all this other crap by using "cooking mama" esque motions on the touch screen,I'll be truly disappointed if this interferes with the reading.
Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
I'm not saying there aren't any I just can't think of any at the moment.
This game would've been perfectly fine if it was exactly like PW/AP,except through the eyes of Edgey,but on the prosecutor's side.
Also,I'm not really that interested in Edgeworth's story as much as I am with Apollo and Phoenix,I mean,it's awesome how he learned his true role as a prosecutor and what not,but I just can't see how they'll make everything else about him interesting.
He's a WONDERFUL supporting character....but maybe not so much the stand alone one.
Anyways,I can't really judge at this point in time so I guess I'll just have to wait until more info is released.
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PJ812 wrote:
This game would've been perfectly fine if it was exactly like PW/AP,except through the eyes of Edgey,but on the prosecutor's side.
I suspect they aren't allowed to do this. It would distract from the main series too much. Maybe even become the main series.
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Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
Most Mario spin offs were succesful
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PJ812 wrote:
Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
I'm not saying there aren't any I just can't think of any at the moment.
There is a video game series in my country which I'm sure you don't know about whose name is XianYuan Sword, whenever they release a new game of the series, a spin off game is following. And weird enough, the spin off games are always much more successful than the original ones so far.
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This game would've been perfectly fine if it was exactly like PW/AP,except through the eyes of Edgey,but on the prosecutor's side.
But then the court room scene would be very boring since you've already know who's the killer and how the murder occurred and etc...well it would boring unless you wanna be turned about by the defense lawyer.
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PJ812 wrote:
Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
The Mario Spinoffs.
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Superninfreak wrote:
PJ812 wrote:
Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
The Mario Spinoffs.
Not even relatively close to counting.
When I say spin off,I mean the spin off of a story,not "Oh look,were gonna have this character play baseball and other ridiculous minigames"
But like I said:there isn't enough info out yet,this could be the best game to hit the series,I'm just not that excited about it at this point,based off of what I've seen.
I hope it's great,but as of right now,I don't think it will be
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PJ812 wrote:
Superninfreak wrote:
PJ812 wrote:
Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
The Mario Spinoffs.
Not even relatively close to counting.
When I say spin off,I mean the spin off of a story,not "Oh look,were gonna have this character play baseball and other ridiculous minigames"
But like I said:there isn't enough info out yet,this could be the best game to hit the series,I'm just not that excited about it at this point,based off of what I've seen.
I hope it's great,but as of right now,I don't think it will be
Mario has a bunch of RPG spinoffs (though I wouldn't call the Paper Mario ones canon).
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Mario rpg's are not spin offs but simply,switching up the game play of an ongoing series,none of the story lines of the games are really intertwined.
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I think it's a little silly to write off on a game just because the mechanics are a little different. A lot of people have said "I won't play it if it doesn't have court scenes." Are AA games the ONLY video games you ever play? Because if not, what's the point in being so picky? The CDs released don't have court scenes, most fanfics don't, most fanart doesn't, but we still enjoy those things because they are still Ace Attorney. So to complain about seeing the AA characters in a format other than a court-based game doesn't make much sense to me. Would people still be skeptical if it was an anime?
[quote=PJ812]This game would've been perfectly fine if it was exactly like PW/AP,except through the eyes of Edgey,but on the prosecutor's side.[/quote]
Except we've discussed for threads and threads about how that just isn't possible. Unless you want to play a game where the character you play as is wrong in every case. :\
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I personally am just excited because it's an Edgeworth game.
I don't care what Edgey's doing, but if he's in the game, I'm buying it.
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PJ812 wrote:
When I say spin off I mean and adaptation to an overarching storyline,with the main character alternated.
Mario rpg's are not spin offs but simply,switching up the game play of an ongoing series,none of the story lines of the games are really intertwined.
Mario rpg's are not spin offs but simply,switching up the game play of an ongoing series,none of the story lines of the games are really intertwined.
Main character altered? OK then, Luigi's Mansion, the Yoshi's Island series, the Wario Ware series, though only the first two really link in with Mario.
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Croik wrote:
Would people still be skeptical if it was an anime?
Only if it was dubbed by 4Kids or animated by Studio Den.
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Croik wrote:
Would people still be skeptical if it was an anime?
If it's anything like the Xenosaga anime, I certainly hope so.
As for spinoffs, do the .hack games count? I've only played .hack//Infection through .hack//Quarantine, so I'm not familiar with the other games, but I hear a lot about people being into them as well.
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Still, take Half-Life. Blueshift and Opposing Force both change the main character and add plot, and those were pretty dang good. And if you dare say Portal is a bad spinoff of the HL series, you're going to face a world of hate.
It's mainly up to which company develops it. As long as the same guys are there, they can usually be trusted.
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I see his point though. The only spinoff examples brought up are those of Mario. Let's be honest...that's NOT a plot-centered game.
Still, take Half-Life. Blueshift and Opposing Force both change the main character and add plot, and those were pretty dang good. And if you dare say Portal is a bad spinoff of the HL series, you're going to face a world of hate.
It's mainly up to which company develops it. As long as the same guys are there, they can usually be trusted.
Still, take Half-Life. Blueshift and Opposing Force both change the main character and add plot, and those were pretty dang good. And if you dare say Portal is a bad spinoff of the HL series, you're going to face a world of hate.
It's mainly up to which company develops it. As long as the same guys are there, they can usually be trusted.
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dont know why, it just doesn't seem right.
and it could be much more better with godot / diego in it.
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I hope Edgey moves really fast, though. I hate games where you have to go through a building/dungeon and your character moves .5 miles an hour. That's why I liked teleporting in PWand AJ.
I would like to know more about Gregory and Edgey's mom. We don't even know her name.
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Anyway. I love Edgey as much as the next fangirl, and I would personally buy any game that included insights into his storyline and personality. Gyakuten Kenji, though, needs to show a bit more promise as a good game in its own right before I'm really enthusiastic about it. :| I often can't take spinoffs seriously enough because they rely too much on the original characters to conceal their utter lack of interesting gameplay. I hope GK is able to bring another facet to the Gyakuten series, rather than just being a point-and-click detective work mockery of a cheap action game.
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PJ812 wrote:
Also,can I get some examples of spin off video games that were successful?
I'm pretty sure by now Megaman X and batle network are more popular than the original series.
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I don't mind the fact that there is no court room scenes (but i do love them though), but I hope that when we talk to the characters we actually see they looks not just as a walking sprite but like their actual picture [I don't think I am making sense :(]
There've been screenshots of the characters talking to each other with larger detailed sprites, but they are facing each other rather than being faced forward.
And successful spin-offs: (arguably) Megaman X/Battle Network/Legends, Persona, FFVII: Crisis Core (FFVII is the worst imo of the main series, but CC is one of my favorite games), and as previously mentioned, Portal. Just because it's a spin-off doesn't mean it's inferior.
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Alondite wrote:
There've been screenshots of the characters talking to each other with larger detailed sprites, but they are facing each other rather than being faced forward.
mean it's inferior.
mean it's inferior.
Ahhh! Ok thats good.
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Croik wrote:
]I think it's a little silly to write off on a game just because the mechanics are a little different. A lot of people have said "I won't play it if it doesn't have court scenes." Are AA games the ONLY video games you ever play? Because if not, what's the point in being so picky? The CDs released don't have court scenes, most fanfics don't, most fanart doesn't, but we still enjoy those things because they are still Ace Attorney. So to complain about seeing the AA characters in a format other than a court-based game doesn't make much sense to me. Would people still be skeptical if it was an anime?
Would you be okay if there was an AA game with no graphics, just pure text? Fanfics ussually don't have graphics.
What if you couldn't pick evidence to answer with or answer things, what if you just read them saying it instead? Fanfics & fanart don't let you do that.
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The Metroid Prime series, to name another spin-off.
Final Fantasy Crystal Chonicles, that's a whole spin-off series.
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Would you be okay if there was an AA game with no graphics, just pure text? Fanfics ussually don't have graphics.
What if you couldn't pick evidence to answer with or answer things, what if you just read them saying it instead? Fanfics & fanart don't let you do that.
What if you couldn't pick evidence to answer with or answer things, what if you just read them saying it instead? Fanfics & fanart don't let you do that.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Do you not like fanfics or fanart? I'm sure not everyone does, but I still think it's kidn of a waste to write off a spinoff just because the format is a little unusual.
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Croik wrote:
Superninfreak wrote:
Would you be okay if there was an AA game with no graphics, just pure text? Fanfics ussually don't have graphics.
What if you couldn't pick evidence to answer with or answer things, what if you just read them saying it instead? Fanfics & fanart don't let you do that.
What if you couldn't pick evidence to answer with or answer things, what if you just read them saying it instead? Fanfics & fanart don't let you do that.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Do you not like fanfics or fanart? I'm sure not everyone does, but I still think it's kidn of a waste to write off a spinoff just because the format is a little unusual.
You're saying that it's okay because fanart and fanfics might not have court scenes, but my point is that the same could be said for things like imputting an answer. In the case of fanfics, graphics aren't there, but I don't think it would be okay if an AA game only had text.
The court scenes are, to me, the funest part of the games, and the fact that this one might not have that worries me for obvious reasons.
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The game uses a completely different interface and program, from what I understand. For all we know, there could be something else there that "replaces" the court scenes, but are just as good. Personally, I can't wait to play the game. Considering what the series is like, and how it's focused quite a bit on plot, the spin-off may just add a different kind a depth to the AA Universe. I hope to HELL that it comes out in America, or that the Japanese release at least has a dual language option. XD
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Fair enough. I just hope you won't use that reasoning to avoid the game entirely. Not that I'm saying you would, but I have seen people claim they have no intention of trying the game at all, which just seems awfully judgmental to me.
I'll definatly get the game (assuming it comes to America, not sure what I'd do if it didn't or if it would take forever to come to America), I'm just not completly ok with the chance that there may not be court scenes. Especially since this is an opportunity to do court scenes in a neat new way.
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The only reason I'm not so sure about this game though is just the fact that I was never too thrilled about playing as a prosecutor as some other people are. It just seems too off base to me. Although, I haven't played it yet, so I don't know for certain if it is good or bad.
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If you play as a Prosecutor, doesnt that mean you lose all the time? Unless the goal is to take down real criminals who really are guilty (and there's a misguided D.A who believes his clients are innocent no matter what). But that just sounds like AA but the other way round... I don't know.
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I'm intrigued, but then I'm skeptical.
That's probably why there aren't any court scenes. As a defense attorney, Phoenix is able to go into court and solve the case over the course of the trial - he doesn't need to know who's really guilty ahead of time, since his job is just to find his client innocent. But for a prosecutor, they're supposed to find the guilty person before ever stepping into court, and that's the part Gyakuen Kenji is going to focus on: the investigation. Once the culprit is found, isn't a need for court scenes because we can just assume that Edgeworth wins.
I'm hoping that what they do to replace the court scenes is to maybe have an interrogation phase, where you can question your suspect and point out flaws in their statements, which would make it just like a court phase except there's no judge penalizing you.
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I'm hoping that what they do to replace the court scenes is to maybe have an interrogation phase, where you can question your suspect and point out flaws in their statements, which would make it just like a court phase except there's no judge penalizing you.
That would be very cool. However, there would probably have to provide you with some sort of penalty system or it would be too easy.
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If you play as a Prosecutor, doesnt that mean you lose all the time? Unless the goal is to take down real criminals who really are guilty (and there's a misguided D.A who believes his clients are innocent no matter what). But that just sounds like AA but the other way round... I don't know.
I'm intrigued, but then I'm skeptical.
I'm intrigued, but then I'm skeptical.
Who says all defendents must be innocent? They can be guilty in this game.
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grim_tales wrote:
If you play as a Prosecutor, doesnt that mean you lose all the time? Unless the goal is to take down real criminals who really are guilty (and there's a misguided D.A who believes his clients are innocent no matter what). But that just sounds like AA but the other way round... I don't know.
I'm intrigued, but then I'm skeptical.
I'm intrigued, but then I'm skeptical.
That's probably why there aren't any court scenes. As a defense attorney, Phoenix is able to go into court and solve the case over the course of the trial - he doesn't need to know who's really guilty ahead of time, since his job is just to find his client innocent. But for a prosecutor, they're supposed to find the guilty person before ever stepping into court, and that's the part Gyakuen Kenji is going to focus on: the investigation. Once the culprit is found, isn't a need for court scenes because we can just assume that Edgeworth wins.
I'm hoping that what they do to replace the court scenes is to maybe have an interrogation phase, where you can question your suspect and point out flaws in their statements, which would make it just like a court phase except there's no judge penalizing you.
In a normal AA game, when you accuse the right person and have a basic (or even good) idea of the crime the game doesn't end. The trials could be like the final confrontations where in the AA games you knew they did it and had to stop them from weazliling out of it.
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