This is one connection that confuses the crap out of me. Did they use to live together? were they lovers? friends? all we know is that she's the daughter of Edgeworth's mentor. Maybe they'll explain a bit in GK?

It's pretty much explained in JFA...

Based on what we know, they knew each other well. The fact that Edgeworth was adopted/trained by Manfred means they probably lived together, especially since Franziska keeps referring to him as 'younger brother'.

really? i must've missed that bit. i only remember her calling him by his full name.

I just can't get past seeing them as brother and sister

Much as I hate shipping, I've always been personally convinced that Fran's feelings for Edgeworth go beyond that of a competitive adoptive sister. The whole "younger/older" complex she's got goin' on makes me think that she's in love with him and her whole desperate need to surpass him is her poor messed up way of trying to get a handle on the situation. As for Edgeworth, I doubt he's really ever seen her that way, or even really as a rival. This was Franziska's obsession and Edgeworth seems pretty much oblivious.

I also think that her being under Manfred's control all her life caused some pretty severe issues in her emotional development, thus why she resorts to her tactics of needing to beat him: because that's all she knows how to do.

As for whether this will be addressed at all in this game, I highly doubt it.

On the topic of their sibling relationship: I speculate that the reason she refers to Edgeworth as her little brother is that he entered the family after her. She was two at the time he was brought to live with him, and I'm sure she was a smart child so logic not being a friend to that age lead her to steadfastly believe that he was the little brother. As they got older the title just fit and she never grew out of it.

Besides, Manfred would probably be-head them if they were in a romantic relationship. O_o

They can fall in love after their childhood you know. But that depends too of how you see Manfred von Karma.
For me, he was a bastard who didn't love his own daughter.
Miles and Franziska suffered too much in the past and, now (I mean in the present, where the game takes place) no one can understand what they have been through, except themselves.

That's my point of view.

To be fair, we don't know much about the relationship between Manfred and his daughters. I mean, Manfred references his granddaughter and the fact she has a dog named Phoenix so maybe that means he pays some attention to them? At least enough to remember a detail like that.

I mean, I'd definitely say Manfred probably screwed Franziska's mind with the whole perfection schtick but just because he was planning to completely screw over Edgeworth doesn't mean he was evil incarnate to his family.

Besides, Manfred would probably be-head them if they were in a romantic relationship. O_o

true. from what i see, i think franziska is a daddy's little girl. the way she refers manfred "papa" when the first time she met phoenix makes me think that she's a very spoiled daughter who always gets what she wanted. if manfred is mean to franziska, she'll hate him that she won't even care to battle the man who defeated her father in court.

IRL there is the existence of a psychological phenomenon that seems to stave off attraction between those who grew up under the same roof, with the reasoning that generally those growing up under the same roof are biologically related anyway.
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To be fair, we don't know much about the relationship between Manfred and his daughters. I mean, Manfred references his granddaughter and the fact she has a dog named Phoenix so maybe that means he pays some attention to them? At least enough to remember a detail like that.

I mean, I'd definitely say Manfred probably screwed Franziska's mind with the whole perfection schtick but just because he was planning to completely screw over Edgeworth doesn't mean he was evil incarnate to his family.

I thought Manfred made up that thing about having a daughter named Phoenix just to gain an edge over Phoenix during that situation. Maya and Phoenix doubted it, and I seriously think Manfred just made it up and doesn't give a shit for his children/family/offspring/devil spawn

Yeah. His niece's dog, according to what he said.

I may be off but I'm almost positive in the GS2 fanbook it confirmed he had two daughters and the eldest had a kid (I'm not sure if the fanbook also talked about a dog named Phoenix/Ryuu) so I don't think it's too far to believe that he was telling the truth there. Like I said, we just don't know much about Manfred's interactions/relationships with his family to say he didn't give a shit about them. Manfred may have had a perfection obsession and did horrible things to maintain it but that doesn't mean he never cared even the slightest about anyone else (even Hitler had something, his dogs).

Considiring how easily Franny brushes of Manfred's death makes me think that she really didn't like the guy at all. Even if he was her father.

Regarding the topic: We are never informed of how long Franziska and Edgeworth lived together. Nor do we even know if they lived together at all. And I doubt The two of them really had much familial bonding in the,I assume, little time they spent together. Nor do I think a household run by Manfred even allows for that sort of thing.

So, I dunno about the people complaining about them having familial feelings for each other. This has really never been adressed or indicated.

Regarding the topic: We are never informed of how long Franziska and Edgeworth lived together. Nor do we even know if they lived together at all. And I doubt The two of them really had much familial bonding in the,I assume, little time they spent together. Nor do I think a household run by Manfred even allows for that sort of thing.

So, I dunno about the people complaining about them having familial feelings for each other. This has really never been adressed or indicated.

Granddaughter.

Franziska does call Edgeworth "little brother" though, which makes you assume that they lived together at some point. And Edgeworth lived with von Karma probably at least until he was 20, when he was prosecuting "von Karma" style as the "Demon Prosecutor." There had to be some sort of time that Edgeworth and Franziska lived together, I'm sure.

Remember what grossberg said? Manfred Von Karma went on only 1 vacation in his 40 year career. I assume he went to Germany. Was Edgeworth already adopted back then?

^ maybe Grossberg was Manfred's loveeeeer

And the "little brother" thing, I don't care how messed up someone is, I don't think you should refer to someone as that if you have any sort of romantic feelings for them hahaha

A career doesn't stop when switching countries. I'd say it's likely he started in Germany, then moved to the US.

A career doesn't stop when switching countries. I'd say it's likely he started in Germany, then moved to the US.