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ADA McCoy wrote:
Has Capcom said anything official as to whether PL vs AA is actually Canon to the other AA games?
Well, I remember reading that Mr. Takumi assured it wasn't a side story
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ADA McCoy wrote:
Has Capcom said anything official as to whether PL vs AA is actually Canon to the other AA games?
Well, I remember reading that Mr. Takumi assured it wasn't a side story
Source or I call it nonsense!
There's no way a spin off this nutty could be canon to the AA universe, maybe this stuff flies with that kook Layton but we're a bit more respectable over here in fictional!LA.
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And I'm pretty sure Takumi or someone else has said it's not a side story, but I'm not sure if he literally meant it's part of the storyline, or just that it's meant to feel like a full game.
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Bad Player wrote:
Within the game itself there really doesn't seem to be anything, but having played the first DLC episode, there does seem to be a contradiction with canon to me...
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Huh, totally missed that. Guess that places PLvsAA after 3-2, but like Ash said, the DLC episodes are totally not canon.
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Bad Player wrote:
Within the game itself there really doesn't seem to be anything, but having played the first DLC episode, there does seem to be a contradiction with canon to me...
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Huh, totally missed that. Guess that places PLvsAA after 3-2, but like Ash said, the DLC episodes are totally not canon.
Hmm...While the magic and fantasy elements concern me a little bit, the idea of another case after 3-5 but before his disbarrment is exciting.
Can anyone tell me the month that the "real-world" London elements take place?
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Bolt Storm wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
Within the game itself there really doesn't seem to be anything, but having played the first DLC episode, there does seem to be a contradiction with canon to me...
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Huh, totally missed that. Guess that places PLvsAA after 3-2, but like Ash said, the DLC episodes are totally not canon.
Yeah but still :<
@McCoy: I don't think there's any mention of months or time of the year or anything like that.
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Bad Player wrote:
Bolt Storm wrote:
Bad Player wrote:
Within the game itself there really doesn't seem to be anything, but having played the first DLC episode, there does seem to be a contradiction with canon to me...
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Huh, totally missed that. Guess that places PLvsAA after 3-2, but like Ash said, the DLC episodes are totally not canon.
Yeah but still :<
@McCoy: I don't think there's any mention of months or time of the year or anything like that.
Wow, I would have assumed they kept the whole law and order style
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thing. Oh well. They probably kept it intentionally vague.
EDIT: for the record, I was reading the Layton Wiki, and on their end the game takes place between Diabolical Box and Unwound Future. No word on Canon status though
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as for having an official answer to this.... i do not, nor have i heard.
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as for having an official answer to this.... i do not, nor have i heard.
I know your answer isn't an official one but it still doesn't explain where Flora is if PLvsAA takes place after Unwound Future.
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Still no word on AA canon, though.
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ADA McCoy wrote:
According to the Layton Wiki, they've figured out it takes place between Diabolical Box and Unwound Future, mainly because of the appearance of Inspector Chemlley.
Still no word on AA canon, though.
Still no word on AA canon, though.
Damn those Laytonites! How'd they solve the case before us?
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Pierre wrote:
ADA McCoy wrote:
According to the Layton Wiki, they've figured out it takes place between Diabolical Box and Unwound Future, mainly because of the appearance of Inspector Chemlley.
Still no word on AA canon, though.
Still no word on AA canon, though.
Damn those Laytonites! How'd they solve the case before us?
Their timeline placement is a lot easier than ours. Because
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With AA it's hard because of both the vague timeline placement and the fact that the events are never mentioned again in the AA series.
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So I'm wondering exactly what the canon status is on our end.
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If it somehow is canon, I'd probably place it between AA3 and AA4 as well as between Diabolical Box and Unwound Future. I should also note that unlike Layton, Ace Attorney actually has concrete years in its timeline. The third game takes place in 2019, while Apollo Justice takes place in 2026.
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ThePaSch wrote:
Besides, Phoenix seemed pretty... amateurish during the trial. Sure, it was out of his comfort zone and in a completely different universe with different laws and different methods, but Layton seemed to have to jump in a bit too often during key moments of the trial. Would make sense - it's AA1, the start of his career as a lawyer.[/spoiler]
Well... maybe he was amateurish because he was still reeling from the whole realization of ' Okay, so I'm not a baker, I'm actually an attorney ' ? Just a thought
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Bad Player wrote:
Within the game itself there really doesn't seem to be anything, but having played the first DLC episode, there does seem to be a contradiction with canon to me...
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I think PWvsAA takes place between AA1 and AA2.
Edit: ...nevermind. If it is canon at all (which it is probably not), it takes place after AA3.
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Edit: ...nevermind. If it is canon at all (which it is probably not), it takes place after AA3.
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Yeah thats a hugeeee contradiction and oversight. That makes me question whether or not this is canon because he says and i quote "(So far we've always managed to pull off a win and get a "not guilty" verdict, but...)"
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I think PWvsAA takes place between AA1 and AA2.
Edit: ...nevermind. If it is canon at all (which it is probably not), it takes place after AA3.
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Edit: ...nevermind. If it is canon at all (which it is probably not), it takes place after AA3.
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Yeah thats a hugeeee contradiction and oversight. That makes me question whether or not this is canon because he says and i quote "(So far we've always managed to pull off a win and get a "not guilty" verdict, but...)"
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Within the game itself there really doesn't seem to be anything, but having played the first DLC episode, there does seem to be a contradiction with canon to me...
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That means it could have happened anytime in the timeline and the special episode would make sense!
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Anyhow, I don't view PLvsPWAA as canon. In fact I think for the majority of game franchises people take "canon" waaaay too seriously. Obviously it's there in AA123 and the others because it makes sense, but once it gets too far-fetched or is done too retroactively I tend to go "well, I don't think this is canon anymore". Layton and Phoenix Wright don't exist in the same universe outside of PLvsPWAA and I think the "Legal League of Attorneys" is stupid amongst other reasons I have to think that PLvsPWAA is just its own little thing.
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Layton and Phoenix Wright don't exist in the same universe outside of PLvsPWAA.
Funny that you say that, because that's exactly the point I try to make on the Wiki, but it seems splitting article on Phoenix to the article about Phoenix in the series and about Phoenix in PLvsPWAA didn't gain mych support.
Crap, almost no change I try to make there gets much support. Somehow regretful I don't really have a very free hand there...
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Actually, Phoenix constantly quotes Godot...
"Er, wasn't she poisoned, by, um, poison?"
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And even then, that would just be a part of Phoenix at that point (in the sense of, the character developed in such a way it learned from that experience) but it's not really much of an explicit reference, I believe. They're not explicitly and directly referring to Godot (or other things in other AA games).
...Well, aside from in that special episode, but that's as non-canon as you can get
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So if you were to place it it would have to be between 3-5 and Phoenix's last trial. It actually kind of works with AAI when you consider Edgeworth in Europe in VS and then his return in AAI.
Of course, if I was to bet a lot of money on it I'd say they will never reference it in the main games and they don't consider it canon.
I used to get confused about how the "realistic" world of AA could be in the same place as the deliberate retro world of PL, but then again in AA why are we still using VHS tapes and Nokia phones in the year 2016? While not being deliberate, it technically sets AA up as a similar retro world as PL, even if not quite as dramatic (also, there are things like LCD screens in the later Layton games so even that is uneven).
So I think in the end, if you want it to be canon then it doesn't have a hard time becoming so and if you want it to be an unrelated side-story then everything works out that way too. I think the way they've constructed the game makes it so it can be as relevant to the series as you want it to be.
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D.A. McCoy wrote:
I think the most important quote to look at if you were considering VS to take place in the AA universe is the one near the end when they're in the ruins and Maya says that the statues look a little like the ones from Hazakura temple.
So if you were to place it it would have to be between 3-5 and Phoenix's last trial. It actually kind of works with AAI when you consider Edgeworth in Europe in VS and then his return in AAI.
So if you were to place it it would have to be between 3-5 and Phoenix's last trial. It actually kind of works with AAI when you consider Edgeworth in Europe in VS and then his return in AAI.
Did Maya specifically say Hazakura temple, or just say Ami Fey statue? If it's the latter, it could have happened as early as just after 3-2 (when Lordly Tailor had Ami's statue in the basement).
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I used to get confused about how the "realistic" world of AA could be in the same place as the deliberate retro world of PL, but then again in AA why are we still using VHS tapes and Nokia phones in the year 2016? While not being deliberate, it technically sets AA up as a similar retro world as PL, even if not quite as dramatic (also, there are things like LCD screens in the later Layton games so even that is uneven).
I just think of AA and PL as AU. My theory is that PL takes place in an alternate London where every decade from 1940 and 2020 exists simultaneously. It's the one puzzle Layton has not been able to solve.
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Did Maya specifically say Hazakura temple, or just say Ami Fey statue? If it's the latter, it could have happened as early as just after 3-2 (when Lordly Tailor had Ami's statue in the basement).
She specifically mentioned Hazakura temple. I think she was talking about the ones by the furnace outside of the little training place where Maya is trapped in 3-5.
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