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Nope, Klavier's theme and the Perceive music are the same as they were on the DS sound font. Klavier's really starting to feel like a behind-the-scenes buttmonkey. He doesn't get a major role in this game, nor even a remix of his theme.
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Klavier's theme
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Also, I really don't feel we need more Klavier...
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To be honest, I'm surprised Klavier even made it into this game. Other than his appearance at the school event, a short investigation segment, and a lobby scene, he is nowhere to be found. In any of those situations, Phoenix or even Ema could have taken his place. I don't know why Ema would be there, but she is still a detective and can help with a certain piece of evidence during that case. Plus, she'd be more interesting to talk to during that investigation segment.
Though, to be fair, if Ema were in the game as well, I don't think her theme would have gotten a remix either.
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I'm not saying I WANT him to get more screen time, but if he's going to appear in future games, they'll probably need to address that at some point.
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Gonna warn you guys, some of Bolt's comment sections are FILLED with spoilers. I've had the whole game ruined for me while listening to one of the Reminiscence themes. Just be careful.
Yeah, I stopped listening to the tracks on youtube once all the videos in the "recommended video" column contained spoilers...
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Gonna warn you guys, some of Bolt's comment sections are FILLED with spoilers. I've had the whole game ruined for me while listening to one of the Reminiscence themes. Just be careful.
Yeah, I stopped listening to the tracks on youtube once all the videos in the "recommended video" column contained spoilers...
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Lusankya wrote:
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Gonna warn you guys, some of Bolt's comment sections are FILLED with spoilers. I've had the whole game ruined for me while listening to one of the Reminiscence themes. Just be careful.
Yeah, I stopped listening to the tracks on youtube once all the videos in the "recommended video" column contained spoilers...
If you listen to ALL of Bolt's submissions to DD music, something that breaks your own experience of the game can occur if you listen closely, so be extra careful.
You mean like, a character theme hidden in the actual Reminiscence track?
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BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
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He means, like in the comments.
BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
Probably, but if we don't have any info about Masakazi Sugimori. Which is sad. (Every time I google image "Masakazi Sugimori, Noriyuki Iwadare's pictures show up.)
I miss Sugimori since Ghost Trick.
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BonnyMono wrote:
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He means, like in the comments.
BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
Probably, but we don't have any info about Masakazi Sugimori. Which is sad. (Every time I google image "Masakazi Sugimori, Noriyuki Iwadare's pictures show up.)
I miss Sugimori since Ghost Trick.
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linkenski wrote:
Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Appreciating your own preference, however, Iwadare's Pursuit isn't so bad imo. I rank Caught the best Pursuit, rather than Cornered, but Ambushed the worst; Ambushed doesn't contain neither thrill nor beat which other Pursuit contains.
Also I would suggest you to listen 'Wanting to Find the Truth(abbr. Wanting)", the Pursuit of GK2 which Iwadare composed. Even Wanting doesn't have beat, its dramatic, heart-touching melody fits perfectly with the story of GK2.
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The best ones are still Cornered and Overtaken. Those two has everything a Pursuit theme should need. They have a great but breif buildup and a climactic and memorable melody without being too overdramatic.
I always think music in games should fill out the colors in the painting, but they must not paint the image for you.
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The problem is that the part I really like, right after the lame-ass guitar solo, is the part where Ambushed actually has tension, but the music in video games and especially in Ace Attorney should fit in the exact moments they appear. Listen to Overtaken for example. It starts right off the bat at a very tension-filled and climactic part and then it kinda keeps it at that, though it has an interlude but it doesn't break the flow.
Ambushed sounds very show-off-ish and it's great, but lacks tension. Remember, you're pointing out that someone is lying, essentially unmasking them for their crime and at the point where pursuit kicks in, it's supposed to compiment this feeling. It doesn't help that Ambushed has that guitar-solo breakdown where the pursuit-mood is completely gone but then it kicks it up after it. I really wish they'd cut out the guitar-solo. It's unfitting for my taste.
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linkenski wrote:
He means, like in the comments.
BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
BTW, Am I the only one who wants Noriyuki Iwadare off Ace Attorney for the next main-series game? He's a tired composer by what I hear from his soundtracks. It's not that his music sucks, but as video-game themes I don't like his style at all. Too many songs have the Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure and even Pursuit themes are like that, which is a crucial mistake imo. Also he's never really made that Pursuit theme that just kicked ass on the rest. Ambushed is the best and it's memorable, but it doesn't beat Overtaken or Cornered. Caught is pretty poorly composed imo. and Lying Coldly suffers from the "Verse-Prechorus-Chorus structure"
Of course this is totally my opinion, but I can't be the only one who feels this, can I?
Well, that's not what I meant, but
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Apollo's Investigation Theme: Apollo Justice ~ The Chords of Steel
Athena's Investigation Theme: Athena Cykes ~ Psychological Prodigy
Apollo's "Objection!" Theme: Apollo Justice ~ Another Chapter of Trials!
Athena's "Objection!" Theme: Athena Cykes ~ Bringer of Revolution
Blackquill's Theme: Simon Blackquill ~ Psychological Contradiction
Fulbright's Theme: Bobby Fulbright ~ In Justice We Trust!
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It's really just my opinion and other people might like your idea better. It's just that guardian feels too solemn for his attitude somehow.
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linkenski wrote:
Great suggestion, but I already did and I think it's atrocious. It has the drama and all that but it feels like it's too much somehow. And I don't dig distorted guitars in my Ace Attorney... and it doesn't fit Edgeworth's theme (character-wise) at all. It just came off as corny imo.
The best ones are still Cornered and Overtaken. Those two has everything a Pursuit theme should need. They have a great but breif buildup and a climactic and memorable melody without being too overdramatic.
I always think music in games should fill out the colors in the painting, but they must not paint the image for you.
The best ones are still Cornered and Overtaken. Those two has everything a Pursuit theme should need. They have a great but breif buildup and a climactic and memorable melody without being too overdramatic.
I always think music in games should fill out the colors in the painting, but they must not paint the image for you.
I see. I'm always thinking that the preference of the music is somewhat local-based.
Most of the AA fans in my country - South Korea - says the Wanting fits perfectly for pursuit theme meanwhile Overtaken fits like dance music rather than pursuit and Ambushed was too poorly composed; I agree with that. Honestly I was shocked a little when I noticed that Western AA fans like Ambushed and think Caught and Wanting are atrocious.
Does Wanting really not fit Edgeworth's character-wise?
In GK2 his character is far from cold, intelligent elite prosecutor but humane, warm person which could sacrifice his whole career without hesitating to find the truth and save his innocent friend. It's nice try and not too overdramatic imo.Yeah, these are nothing but just opinions however. We won't have to be serious more than now.
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Don't fool yourself into thinking I represent the entire western audience!
Edit: Overtaken does indeed have a dance element but Pursuit isn't a genre so it can still make a Pursuit theme.
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Any Pursuit theme makes great dancing music.
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All I can think of is someone dancing to that Cornered x Slam Jam mash up.
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linkenski wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking I represent the entire western audience!
You aren't the only one who prefers Overtaken and Ambushed more than Caught or Wanting. I saw that many Youtubers replied like that.
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Don't fool yourself into thinking I represent the entire western audience!
You aren't the only one who prefers Overtaken and Ambushed more than Caught or Wanting. I saw that many Youtubers replied like that.
I honestly don't think it's a bad thing that people prefer Ambushed or Overtaken over the past few pursuits.
I am certain that a lot of people will like the pursuit theme in the next game.
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I don't know about you, but I think DD has the most well done bass in every soundtrack in the AA games.
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BonnyMono wrote:
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Don't fool yourself into thinking I represent the entire western audience!
You aren't the only one who prefers Overtaken and Ambushed more than Caught or Wanting. I saw that many Youtubers replied like that.
I honestly don't think it's a bad thing that people prefer Ambushed or Overtaken over the past few pursuits.
I am certain that a lot of people will like the pursuit theme in the next game.
That is, in my case, if Iwadare is not the composer. He has yet to show me a pursuit track that matches the standard of either Overtaken or Cornered. His style isn't good for Ace Attorney IMO. I'd even rather have Akemi Kimura than him.
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I would really like to see a new pursuit made by him.
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Personally, I think the music from GS5, not my favorite(JFA holds that title), but it's pretty good.
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Hm... I'm not so sure. GS1 soundtrack feels good as a starter for the series, but I'm not sure if his work would work that well in the newer games.
His work with Ghost Trick is pretty good though. But you're right. He probably wouldn't make it as good the second time (which is why I think Iwadare should've gone a long time ago!
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