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That's almost exactly how I interpreted it, Aplab, but I can definitely see why other people would interpret it as a sign of romantic feelings. It's left ambiguous enough that it could be interpreted either way. That's the way it tends to be with a lot of potential pairings; neither supporters nor skeptics nor opponents are likely to have conclusive evidence to support their views.
I'm usually the first to insist there's another explanation, or that something is ambiguous, and even I think they were going somewhere with Metis/Aura. If it was only friendship, there must have been a boundary or two crossed somewhere. Either that, or the localizers were really playing with our heads this time.
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General Luigi wrote:
As a general rule, I assume a character doesn't officially have romantic feelings for another character unless he/she openly says it or drops an unambiguous hint (Juniper's scarf-knitting, for example).
Out of curiosity, how is one an unambiguous hint while the other is not?
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General Luigi wrote:
As a general rule, I assume a character doesn't officially have romantic feelings for another character unless he/she openly says it or drops an unambiguous hint (Juniper's scarf-knitting, for example).
Y'see based on the line and the previous dialogue, I'd assumed Metis and Aura were already friends, doubly so when we look at the old photograph of the UR-1 project. I can't find it for reference but I'm sure Metis and Aura are standing beside one another. While it might seem a weak argument, wouldn't you normally stand beside your friend for a photograph? Apollo and Clay are together in the photograph too. Note I'm not trying to indicate romance from this just that they were already established friends.
Therefore when she says "she wanted more" the next level beyond friends well....
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Granted, we had a lot of hints other than her animations, like Case 1, Case 3 or Case 4... You know what I'm saying.
If it were only what you suggested, it wouldn't be as obvious as you could think. I'm not here to judge or anything, but it feels like you're slightly biased... :P
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Sligneris wrote:
General Luigi, you know, I can also start shipping Phoenix/Athena, because of how she blushed at the end of Case 1 and it's hard to say Athena has a crush on Phoenix.
Granted, we had a lot of hints other than her animations, like Case 1, Case 3 or Case 4... You know what I'm saying.
If it were only what you suggested, it wouldn't be as obvious as you could think. I'm not here to judge or anything, but it feels like you're slightly biased... :P
Granted, we had a lot of hints other than her animations, like Case 1, Case 3 or Case 4... You know what I'm saying.
If it were only what you suggested, it wouldn't be as obvious as you could think. I'm not here to judge or anything, but it feels like you're slightly biased... :P
Well a blush can be anything, it can be caused by mere embarrassment as well. I wouldn't say a blush is enough to say there's romantic feelings.
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Sligneris wrote:
Exactly, but here Luigi commented on how Juniper's blush and knitting with hearts can be nothing else than her having a crush on Apollo.
The love hearts scarf is a bit more than that. Though I'd say it's all her dialogue doting on Apollo that provides context and meaning to the blush. A blush on it's own is not enough but her general attitude to Apollo strengthens the hint.
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Spoiler: Possible 5-4 and 5-5, just in case
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General Luigi wrote:
I found the hints Juniper dropped to be clear, but didn't see the hints from Aura as conclusive.
...Conclusive hints?
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General Luigi wrote:
For the record, I'm not trying to say there's insufficient evidence to make a case for Aura having feelings for Metis. The evidence is definitely there. I just didn't interpret said evidence as unambiguously being evidence of romantic feelings. Heck, until I read the bit on Aura on TVTropes, I had never even considered the possibility that it was a hint that Aura loved Metis. I doubt I'll be able to explain my view in a way that will satisfy everyone who disagrees with it, but the bottom line is that however someone else interpreted the evidence, I found the hints Juniper dropped to be clear, but didn't see the hints from Aura as conclusive.
Oh, I realize. You've stated that you can see both sides. Sometimes I get a little carried away and go into debate mode, and like the topic title says, these are all just little hints that something more may be going on.
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Sligneris wrote:
General Luigi wrote:
I found the hints Juniper dropped to be clear, but didn't see the hints from Aura as conclusive.
...Conclusive hints?
"Unambiguous" probably would have been a better word to use there. Sorry about that.
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Spoiler: just in case
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Spoiler:
Spoiler: By the way, I am a supporter of this easily comprised pairing
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Spoiler: By the way, I am a supporter of this easily comprised pairing
There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
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There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
That statement could be applied to any pairing in any medium. Seriously, replace "Metis and Aura" with ANY other pairing and the statement still makes perfect sense.
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General Luigi wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
That statement could be applied to any pairing in any medium. Seriously, replace "Metis and Aura" with ANY other pairing and the statement still makes perfect sense.
Anyone/Zinc LeBlanc II
Where's the sense in that?
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sumguy28 wrote:
General Luigi wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
That statement could be applied to any pairing in any medium. Seriously, replace "Metis and Aura" with ANY other pairing and the statement still makes perfect sense.
Anyone/Zinc LeBlanc II
Where's the sense in that?
There doesn't need to be. It's assumed that at least one of them is breathing.
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There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
Ah, but there's a big difference between a crack pairing and an ascended crack pairing. One stays in the shadows, where most fans question its sanity, while the other comes out into the spotlight for a while, where most fans question their own sanity.
sumguy28 wrote:
General Luigi wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
That statement could be applied to any pairing in any medium. Seriously, replace "Metis and Aura" with ANY other pairing and the statement still makes perfect sense.
Anyone/Zinc LeBlanc II
Where's the sense in that?
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drvonkitty wrote:
I feel as if though everyone is taking the line that Aura says out-of-context here...
Spoiler: 5-5 dialogue
That doesn't prove it! First of all, think about how Apollo "felt" about Clay! That was a friendship-like feeling, and it doesn't prove that Apollo is gay.
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drvonkitty wrote:
I'm referring to the connotation of the usage of how she "felt". Show me a line where Apollo says something similar to what Aura says here, and then perhaps I'll reconsider what I said. And the second point I made still stands.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
There needs to be a reason for pairing fanart of these two?
Ah, but there's a big difference between a crack pairing and an ascended crack pairing. One stays in the shadows, where most fans question its sanity, while the other comes out into the spotlight for a while, where most fans question their own sanity.
I wasn't speaking of differences. But after spending time on the PW Kink Meme, I've learned there's an audience for everything.
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Adrian in black wrote:
There doesn't need to be. It's assumed that at least one of them is breathing.
Never heard of undead pairings? You must be new here.
aplab23207 wrote:
That doesn't prove it! First of all, think about how Apollo "felt" about Clay! That was a friendship-like feeling, and it doesn't prove that Apollo is gay.
...But he himself said it doesn't prove a thing?
aplab23207 wrote:
drvonkitty wrote:
I'm referring to the connotation of the usage of how she "felt". Show me a line where Apollo says something similar to what Aura says here, and then perhaps I'll reconsider what I said. And the second point I made still stands.
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Sligneris wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
There doesn't need to be. It's assumed that at least one of them is breathing.
Never heard of undead pairings? You must be new here.
Yes. I've never heard of undead pairings. Ever. And I am totally new here.
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As for Aura/Metis...I believe there was some romantic feelings there, at least from Aura's side. I don't understand how it isn't "logical" apblab but I'm confused why you don't think video game characters can be homosexual. Alas, that is a political argument that the court-records were not made for. I can see the argument for Aura respecting Metis and wanting her friendship, but then, for such a seemingly cold calculated woman to break because of "friendship" feels...out of place. I feel like there was something more, but that's just my opinion. I believe it's a true opinion (as true as opinions about fictional characters in a world about anime-hair lawyers can be).
Also, what's this age difference kerfuffle? Age does not matter...ever! Age is merely a stepping stone for what people have in common. It makes it easier for two people to relate to eachother but then when they get deeper, they can see that they either have more in common and thus the pairing begins, or (in the case of me and quite a few ladies...) see you have only age in common or that you have no chemistry together and should stop exploring a relationship. The Kitakis have 14 years of age difference. Tenzin and Pema have 16 years of age difference. My best friend's loving parents have over 20 years of age difference. The point is...any pairing, I believe, is possible, whether it be age difference or sex similarity or...anything. If they have chemistry and have shown some attraction...you got yourself a pairing.
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Anyways, I found myself shipping ApolloxAthena and BlackquillxAthena. Although if I had to choose which one to be canon, it would be ApolloxAthena.
Most people seem to be a fan of ApolloxJuniper but...for some reason, I can't bring myself to like the pairing at all. It's obvious Juniper has a crush/hero worship crush on Apollo, but I don't see anything from Apollo -> Juniper.
Although I suppose that's to be expected. I've noticed Western Fandom tend to favor the shy girl with a crush over the energetic, outgoing (good/best) friend.
Even though I've noticed that Japan seems to favor the latter. But I digress...
I saw someone mention that they didn't ship ApolloxAthena because they were too similar. But honestly, I find that being similar and having a friendship to start on makes for wonderful romantic relationships. The fact that they're so similar and get along great tells me they would be a great pairing. But that's just me gushing.
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Most people seem to be a fan of ApolloxJuniper but...for some reason, I can't bring myself to like the pairing at all. It's obvious Juniper has a crush/hero worship crush on Apollo, but I don't see anything from Apollo -> Juniper.
Well, he did risk his life for her.
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Mio Shugyoku wrote:
I'm a huge, shameless shipper. AKA I take them too seriously
Anyways, I found myself shipping ApolloxAthena and BlackquillxAthena. Although if I had to choose which one to be canon, it would be ApolloxAthena.
Most people seem to be a fan of ApolloxJuniper but...for some reason, I can't bring myself to like the pairing at all. It's obvious Juniper has a crush/hero worship crush on Apollo, but I don't see anything from Apollo -> Juniper.
Although I suppose that's to be expected. I've noticed Western Fandom tend to favor the shy girl with a crush over the energetic, outgoing (good/best) friend.
Even though I've noticed that Japan seems to favor the latter. But I digress...
I saw someone mention that they didn't ship ApolloxAthena because they were too similar. But honestly, I find that being similar and having a friendship to start on makes for wonderful romantic relationships. The fact that they're so similar and get along great tells me they would be a great pairing. But that's just me gushing.
Anyways, I found myself shipping ApolloxAthena and BlackquillxAthena. Although if I had to choose which one to be canon, it would be ApolloxAthena.
Most people seem to be a fan of ApolloxJuniper but...for some reason, I can't bring myself to like the pairing at all. It's obvious Juniper has a crush/hero worship crush on Apollo, but I don't see anything from Apollo -> Juniper.
Although I suppose that's to be expected. I've noticed Western Fandom tend to favor the shy girl with a crush over the energetic, outgoing (good/best) friend.
Even though I've noticed that Japan seems to favor the latter. But I digress...
I saw someone mention that they didn't ship ApolloxAthena because they were too similar. But honestly, I find that being similar and having a friendship to start on makes for wonderful romantic relationships. The fact that they're so similar and get along great tells me they would be a great pairing. But that's just me gushing.
ApolloXAthena was almost canon, during the recess in Case 5. Especially what Athena said right after she slapped Apollo.
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ReturnofthePhoenix wrote:
Guys. Aura/Metis holds as much ground as Phoenix/Maya. Just because they're both women doesn't mean that it is impossible. I've played all the games SO many times (although, only twice for Dual Destinies) and I never EVER saw anything romantic between Phoenix and Maya until I saw what you guys, the internet, thought. Even now, I don't think there's anything romantic between Phoenix and Maya because of the way they act around eachother. The letter in DD-5 didn't imply anything, at least not to me. I think they have a special bond a beautiful relationship but I have what Phoenix has with a couple of lady-friends too. I don't see it as romantic. That's my opinion and thankfully, the AA-universe has done nothing to quaff that.
As for Aura/Metis...I believe there was some romantic feelings there, at least from Aura's side. I don't understand how it isn't "logical" apblab but I'm confused why you don't think video game characters can be homosexual. Alas, that is a political argument that the court-records were not made for. I can see the argument for Aura respecting Metis and wanting her friendship, but then, for such a seemingly cold calculated woman to break because of "friendship" feels...out of place. I feel like there was something more, but that's just my opinion. I believe it's a true opinion (as true as opinions about fictional characters in a world about anime-hair lawyers can be).
Also, what's this age difference kerfuffle? Age does not matter...ever! Age is merely a stepping stone for what people have in common. It makes it easier for two people to relate to eachother but then when they get deeper, they can see that they either have more in common and thus the pairing begins, or (in the case of me and quite a few ladies...) see you have only age in common or that you have no chemistry together and should stop exploring a relationship. The Kitakis have 14 years of age difference. Tenzin and Pema have 16 years of age difference. My best friend's loving parents have over 20 years of age difference. The point is...any pairing, I believe, is possible, whether it be age difference or sex similarity or...anything. If they have chemistry and have shown some attraction...you got yourself a pairing.
Don't be so close-minded people. I've grown a lot since I've played my first Phoenix Wright game five years ago and I've learnt not to thing so 2-dimensionally about characters, motivations and (since this IS the topic of this thread) pairings.
Thank you and good day.
As for Aura/Metis...I believe there was some romantic feelings there, at least from Aura's side. I don't understand how it isn't "logical" apblab but I'm confused why you don't think video game characters can be homosexual. Alas, that is a political argument that the court-records were not made for. I can see the argument for Aura respecting Metis and wanting her friendship, but then, for such a seemingly cold calculated woman to break because of "friendship" feels...out of place. I feel like there was something more, but that's just my opinion. I believe it's a true opinion (as true as opinions about fictional characters in a world about anime-hair lawyers can be).
Also, what's this age difference kerfuffle? Age does not matter...ever! Age is merely a stepping stone for what people have in common. It makes it easier for two people to relate to eachother but then when they get deeper, they can see that they either have more in common and thus the pairing begins, or (in the case of me and quite a few ladies...) see you have only age in common or that you have no chemistry together and should stop exploring a relationship. The Kitakis have 14 years of age difference. Tenzin and Pema have 16 years of age difference. My best friend's loving parents have over 20 years of age difference. The point is...any pairing, I believe, is possible, whether it be age difference or sex similarity or...anything. If they have chemistry and have shown some attraction...you got yourself a pairing.
Don't be so close-minded people. I've grown a lot since I've played my first Phoenix Wright game five years ago and I've learnt not to thing so 2-dimensionally about characters, motivations and (since this IS the topic of this thread) pairings.
Thank you and good day.
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Re: Possible hints of pairings (SPOILERS)
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Mio Shugyoku wrote:
I'm a huge, shameless shipper. AKA I take them too seriously
Anyways, I found myself shipping ApolloxAthena and BlackquillxAthena. Although if I had to choose which one to be canon, it would be ApolloxAthena.
Most people seem to be a fan of ApolloxJuniper but...for some reason, I can't bring myself to like the pairing at all. It's obvious Juniper has a crush/hero worship crush on Apollo, but I don't see anything from Apollo -> Juniper.
Although I suppose that's to be expected. I've noticed Western Fandom tend to favor the shy girl with a crush over the energetic, outgoing (good/best) friend.
Even though I've noticed that Japan seems to favor the latter. But I digress...
I saw someone mention that they didn't ship ApolloxAthena because they were too similar. But honestly, I find that being similar and having a friendship to start on makes for wonderful romantic relationships. The fact that they're so similar and get along great tells me they would be a great pairing. But that's just me gushing.
Anyways, I found myself shipping ApolloxAthena and BlackquillxAthena. Although if I had to choose which one to be canon, it would be ApolloxAthena.
Most people seem to be a fan of ApolloxJuniper but...for some reason, I can't bring myself to like the pairing at all. It's obvious Juniper has a crush/hero worship crush on Apollo, but I don't see anything from Apollo -> Juniper.
Although I suppose that's to be expected. I've noticed Western Fandom tend to favor the shy girl with a crush over the energetic, outgoing (good/best) friend.
Even though I've noticed that Japan seems to favor the latter. But I digress...
I saw someone mention that they didn't ship ApolloxAthena because they were too similar. But honestly, I find that being similar and having a friendship to start on makes for wonderful romantic relationships. The fact that they're so similar and get along great tells me they would be a great pairing. But that's just me gushing.
ApolloXAthena was almost canon, during the recess in Case 5. Especially what Athena said right after she slapped Apollo.
Spoiler: Case 5
Err....gratitude like that isn't really much of a strong case to me. It's just like "Don't be silly, of course I appreciate you" after someone is feeling particularly down. It doesn't exactly reek of romance or emotion.
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