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Spirit mediums of lore, including Japanese, used to be depicted as rather grim-looking people. Pearl just happens to be so cute that rainbows and sparkles fly out from behind her every time she shows up. It's also why she can afford to stay around these people, by sharing love and friendship to everyone and everything.
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Then again she is more like that because she had been in the village almost most of her life so she really isn't exposed to different types of group of people. Plus most of her ideals were from growing up looking up to Maya.
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If she doesn't have a chest tattoo and a septum piercing in AA6, I'll be extremely disappointed.
Im pretty sure she would get a chest tattoo of Maya xD. I say she should have sleeve tattoos
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WaitingforGodot wrote:
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If she doesn't have a chest tattoo and a septum piercing in AA6, I'll be extremely disappointed.
Im pretty sure she would get a chest tattoo of Maya xD. I say she should have sleeve tattoos
Yes, yes, yes to you both. Hell yes.
They should also give her some sort of love interest, especially since she loves the whole topic of love.
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In general, I'd like it if they would take some more risks developing characters, especially the returning ones. So far I think Ema is the one who's changed to most over the years, and I for one really liked it, and her.
Yes. Even though found her a tad bit annoying (both versions of her), I liked the fact that she had changed.
Now, I haven't played Investigations, so I don't know about Shigaraki's personality, but I really liked the two different designs of him. Even though it was in the same game and all, it was fun that his design actually differed quite a bit, unlike the design of, well, younger and older Pearl.
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In general, I'd like it if they would take some more risks developing characters, especially the returning ones. So far I think Ema is the one who's changed to most over the years, and I for one really liked it, and her.
Yes. Even though found her a tad bit annoying (both versions of her), I liked the fact that she had changed.
Now, I haven't played Investigations, so I don't know about Shigaraki's personality, but I really liked the two different designs of him. Even though it was in the same game and all, it was fun that his design actually differed quite a bit, unlike the design of, well, younger and older Pearl.
I didn't like new Ema but I recognise that her personality was fitting for someone who had had their dreams of science dashed.
I thought Phoenix was the one who'd shown the most growth by AJ actually, I was a little disappointed they seemed to take a bit of that away for AA5....but I guess they had to make him vulnerable somehow.
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Speaking of Ema, I would love to see Kay return as maybe a assistant to Edgeworth and have her character develop more and being a part of the main story.
Like her time with Edgeworth had shown her she didn't need to 'steal' the truth to reveal it and she goes on to be a detective or (more fittingly I think) a private investigator?
I'd quite like it but I wonder if it would sort of defeat the point of the Yatagarasu.
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Speaking of Ema, I would love to see Kay return as maybe a assistant to Edgeworth and have her character develop more and being a part of the main story.
Like her time with Edgeworth had shown her she didn't need to 'steal' the truth to reveal it and she goes on to be a detective or (more fittingly I think) a private investigator?
I'd quite like it but I wonder if it would sort of defeat the point of the Yatagarasu.
The would be a cool idea, but maybe instead of being a detective or private investigator she could still help out as the Yatagarasu but introduce newer and cooler gadgets.
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Pierre wrote:
Fool Bright wrote:
Speaking of Ema, I would love to see Kay return as maybe a assistant to Edgeworth and have her character develop more and being a part of the main story.
Like her time with Edgeworth had shown her she didn't need to 'steal' the truth to reveal it and she goes on to be a detective or (more fittingly I think) a private investigator?
I'd quite like it but I wonder if it would sort of defeat the point of the Yatagarasu.
The would be a cool idea, but maybe instead of being a detective or private investigator she could still help out as the Yatagarasu but introduce newer and cooler gadgets.
That's why I was thinking Private Investigator, would allow her to still operate outside the law as a detective would just be confined to the precinct.
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Pierre wrote:
Fool Bright wrote:
The would be a cool idea, but maybe instead of being a detective or private investigator she could still help out as the Yatagarasu but introduce newer and cooler gadgets.
That's why I was thinking Private Investigator, would allow her to still operate outside the law as a detective would just be confined to the precinct.
Sounds like it could work. Maybe she could have her own office and she could help out Wright as well.
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I'm glad you brought this up-- I haven't really seen much discussion about Juniper (I'm sure it exists somewhere around here, though) and I definitely agree with you on this. It was jarring seeing her so determined and serious in the school yet child-like and terrified outside. The game tries to explain that she's really just fragile all the time and her seriousness/maturity is just an act, but I didn't buy it. It was just poor handling.
As for whether we'll see her again, I wouldn't count on it. After ripping away the loose ends from AJ without properly tying them up, there's not one character outside the super-main group (Phoenix, Apollo, and Athena) that I can say for sure will appear again. I would have bet money on Trucy being important in DD, but look where that ended up.
Right, and then to have her revert to her shy, closed-in personality right after the academy case… why does she do that? It just was sloppy characterization. I think the trip-up is that Juniper's hard exterior in the academy case doesn't seem like something she's struggling with - it seems entirely natural. When they pulled out the knitting bit, it almost felt like they did it to remind us that yes, this character was still Juniper.
Yeah absolutely agreed that only the main characters are really likely to return. I was just looking at it from the point of which DD minor characters could possibly be strung through another case, Lotta or Maggey style. From all the characters we got, it only seemed like Juniper would have been easy to justify returning because of her relationship with Athena.
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Yes, Juniper. As a character she was somewhat hazy. As for Pearl, well, she's always looked and acted young, but I can't help but feel that she's like an odd mixture of her old (or well, young) self and Maya. I mean, wanting to pull levers and riding a cart? Come on. It was much better in DLC though. Her looks, yeah, they could've done more about it. At least change her hairstyle. I just can't imagine a 17-year-old choosing that haristyle, especially since she's had it at least since she was eight, and she said herself in JFA that she wanted long hair. Go on, then.
Agreed about the weird mixture. It just seemed like they increased the size of all her older animations, lol. The aquarium case kind of clarified her character for sure. I really liked Pearl's role in that case, actually. Even then I was startled when they cut to that artwork of her and Marlon on the floor with all the fish -- I was like "wait, THAT'S what Pearl is supposed to look like??? That makes a little more sense!"
I had totally forgotten about her want for long hair. Some of the concept hairstyles they came up with were interesting (posted in the spoiler tag); I especially like the fourth, sixth, and eighth looks.
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I think GS5 had one missing opportunity.
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I think that would be going a bit overboard on the supernatural side of things... The only other cases that relied on channeling was 3-5, and to an extent 2-4. To be honest, I think it's better than the keep the supernatural things more as part of an investigative technique rather than part of the crimes themselves.
(And before anyone brings up 2-2, that only used the belief of spirit channeling; the crime would have played out exactly the same even if spirit channeling was bogus.)
Besides, I'm not sure why they'd need to go through all that when they could just say "he's really really good at disguises"
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Alright...I'll need to ask how the Magatama proves spirit channelling is not restricted to dead people
Don't recall folks ever channelling someone who is alive.When it needed recharged it was charged with spiritual energy. I doubt you you use it to actually mind read by stealing the spirit of someone.
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Also, BP, how exactly is more complicated idea a worse one? ;)
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Channeling itself is restricted to dead people (unless manga is accounted for), but the use of "connecting" to an alive person's spirit, not really.
Also, BP, how exactly is more complicated idea a worse one? ;)
Also, BP, how exactly is more complicated idea a worse one? ;)
When was it used to connect to someone's spirit?
Do you mean Psych Locks?
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Also, BP, how exactly is more complicated idea a worse one? ;)
Because you're bringing in supernatural elements whose implications could create all sorts of problem.
(I think as a fandom we've had enough "Why didn't Maya just channel the victims?!" complaints already... I don't want more variations on that.)
There's nothing wrong with basing mysteries on supernatural mechanisms. (See PLvAA and Un-Go.) However, the supernatural mechanisms need to have explicit, defined rules (going "spirit mediums can also shapeshift" eight games into the franchise would be really weird and out of the blue), and I also would think it would be kind of strange to suddenly throw something like that in a franchise where practically none of the crimes have had supernatural elements.
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Well, yeah. It is used to see spirit's secrets, right?
Technically it could... if you're talking about when Phoenix used the Magatama on Mia, who was being channeled by Maya at the time. That's the only way I can see the Magatama possibly having been "connected to the dead." Otherwise, it's just a tool that detects the presence of a person's secret.
As for that other thing about spirit mediums magically assuming anybody's form, I don't even see how that could result from being able to channel a spirit. Seriously, how does that work? The body only changes form due to the presence of the spirit. It just seems to me that there has to be some other condition (or two) in place.
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Sligneris wrote:
Channeling itself is restricted to dead people (unless manga is accounted for), but the use of "connecting" to an alive person's spirit, not really.
I disagree; even the manga didn't step on the concept like that. There was a case about dead spirits and fortune-telling, yes, but no one actually channeled a person, dead or alive.
Besides, I don't think it was ever confirmed that the power to read into people's minds and the power to channel a spirit use the exact same energy. Nick has yet to meet the spirit of a dead person himself without the help of a spirit medium.
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Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
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No? I thought Maya ysed "experimental advanced channeling" where Maya channeled Gumshoe...?
Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
W-When did Maya Channel Gumshoe?!
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Pierre wrote:
Sligneris wrote:
No? I thought Maya ysed "experimental advanced channeling" where Maya channeled Gumshoe...?
Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
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Pierre wrote:
Sligneris wrote:
No? I thought Maya ysed "experimental advanced channeling" where Maya channeled Gumshoe...?
Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
Nah, I suppose it wasn't. Kurain stuff always was more about person's headcanon anyway...
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I love how the first case is kind of a parallel to Phoenix's first case, where they're defending theyre childhood friends.
And i'm loving the second case so far. I'm always a fan on an old timey japanese village, and all the characters you meet in this case definitely memorable.
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I'm enjoying DD up to this point.
I love how the first case is kind of a parallel to Phoenix's first case, where they're defending theyre childhood friends.
And i'm loving the second case so far. I'm always a fan on an old timey japanese village, and all the characters you meet in this case definitely memorable.
I love how the first case is kind of a parallel to Phoenix's first case, where they're defending theyre childhood friends.
And i'm loving the second case so far. I'm always a fan on an old timey japanese village, and all the characters you meet in this case definitely memorable.
I really like Mayor Tenma, he makes the whole case for me.
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I thought DD was very good. I especially liked how you could change the camera angles during the investigating scenes so that it felt more like actual investigating rather than a mad pixel hunt as the previous games were. I did actually like Athena Cykes and her role in the story, though I will admit it was a little bit of a stretch that she is 18 and already has an attorney's badge and a degree in analytical psychology. I do not think she is Mary Sue because she did not do everything perfectly and even has some seeds of doubt as her skills as an attorney during her cases. I enjoyed the returning characters such as
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Edgeworth became a prosecutor at the age of 18. Even earlier, Franziska became a prosecutor at the age of 14.
Athena is just another child prodigy to add to the list.
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SenorJustice-dono wrote:
I thought DD was very good. I especially liked how you could change the camera angles during the investigating scenes so that it felt more like actual investigating rather than a mad pixel hunt as the previous games were. I did actually like Athena Cykes and her role in the story, though I will admit it was a little bit of a stretch that she is 18 and already has an attorney's badge and a degree in analytical psychology. I do not think she is Mary Sue because she did not do everything perfectly and even has some seeds of doubt as her skills as an attorney during her cases. I enjoyed the returning characters such as
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Personally, I didn't find it unrealistic to think Athena could get an Attorney's badge at the age of 18.
Edgeworth became a prosecutor at the age of 18. Even earlier, Franziska became a prosecutor at the age of 14.
Athena is just another child prodigy to add to the list.
Well, technically, Edgeworth became a prosecutor at the age of 22(or 20) and Franziska became a prosecutor at the age of 13.
And besides, there are a lot of young prosecutors, Athena was the first young Attorney, I believe.
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The Canadian Judge wrote:
SenorJustice-dono wrote:
I thought DD was very good. I especially liked how you could change the camera angles during the investigating scenes so that it felt more like actual investigating rather than a mad pixel hunt as the previous games were. I did actually like Athena Cykes and her role in the story, though I will admit it was a little bit of a stretch that she is 18 and already has an attorney's badge and a degree in analytical psychology. I do not think she is Mary Sue because she did not do everything perfectly and even has some seeds of doubt as her skills as an attorney during her cases. I enjoyed the returning characters such as
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Personally, I didn't find it unrealistic to think Athena could get an Attorney's badge at the age of 18.
Edgeworth became a prosecutor at the age of 18. Even earlier, Franziska became a prosecutor at the age of 14.
Athena is just another child prodigy to add to the list.
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SenorJustice-dono wrote:
The Canadian Judge wrote:
SenorJustice-dono wrote:
I thought DD was very good. I especially liked how you could change the camera angles during the investigating scenes so that it felt more like actual investigating rather than a mad pixel hunt as the previous games were. I did actually like Athena Cykes and her role in the story, though I will admit it was a little bit of a stretch that she is 18 and already has an attorney's badge and a degree in analytical psychology. I do not think she is Mary Sue because she did not do everything perfectly and even has some seeds of doubt as her skills as an attorney during her cases. I enjoyed the returning characters such as
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Personally, I didn't find it unrealistic to think Athena could get an Attorney's badge at the age of 18.
Edgeworth became a prosecutor at the age of 18. Even earlier, Franziska became a prosecutor at the age of 14.
Athena is just another child prodigy to add to the list.
What part makes sense? At the age of 11, Athena was a traumatized, neglected, socially reclusive, frequently school skipping child without any parents or relatives that we know of, and then all of a sudden she winds up in Europe (most likely somewhere in Germany, France or Spain) where she doesn't speak the language and seven years later she has two degrees?
There's a saying that you can make your audience believe the impossible, but not the improbable. This is a prime example of "improbable"
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Pierre wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:
I really like Mayor Tenma, he makes the whole case for me.
Oh, I agree. I definitely have a very soft spot for that character, and I wonder how much I would like the case if he wasn't present.
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Re: What do you think of Dual Destinies?
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Thane wrote:
What part makes sense? At the age of 11, Athena was a traumatized, neglected, socially reclusive, frequently school skipping child without any parents or relatives that we know of, and then all of a sudden she winds up in Europe (most likely somewhere in Germany, France or Spain) where she doesn't speak the language and seven years later she has two degrees?
There's a saying that you can make your audience believe the impossible, but not the improbable. This is a prime example of "improbable"
Who says she didn't speak the languages? I know it's probably not the best evidence, but did you pay attention to the French, German, and Spanish phrases she says every now and then? It shows that she at least knew enough to get around her respective countries. Furthermore, younger children are known to pick up language faster than adults. Another thing to consider: I don't recall the game saying where she got her degrees from. Maybe she went back to America to get her degree or moved to England (since it's in Europe and it speaks her native language). My last point is this: maybe because of all the trauma and pain she went through, she became a workaholic to drown out her feelings (I know a friend of my dad's that has had an experience like this).
Re: What do you think of Dual Destinies?
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Re: What do you think of Dual Destinies?
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Klonoahedgehog wrote:
I'm not sure if i'm just imagining things but the cases in this game seem to be the longest in the series, i've been in case 2 for a few days now.
I think it was just case 2 that felt particularly long, the other cases were about average in length.
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