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Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:51 am

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~~For most of people here, Athena.~~

I don't think so, actually. Although Chishio might appear to be annoying at times.

Can't say without playing the game.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:04 am

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Bad Player wrote:

emimprov wrote:

Was their "reveal" something of a surprise, or was it pretty obvious who they were after a certain point? Were they intimidating? Was their motive compelling? Were they ultimately satisfying to take down? (I realize these are questions that you can't really answer in detail without getting into big spoiler territory, but just a "yes" or "no" or a short non-spoilery explanation would be fine.)

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:29 am

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Bad Player wrote:

Spoiler: GS5-5 endgame spoilers

Sligneris wrote:

Spoiler: GS5 endgame spoilers

Spoiler:

linkenski wrote:

Any characters in GS5 that are just completely unlikable?

I don't want to affect anyone's opinion of him, but...

Mr. Beauty Parlor. I detest people who share his sort of attitude, and I rarely use the word "detest". I don't mind men who use perfumes or dress in purple; I just hate this guy. (I do admit that his theme is nice, though.)

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:39 am

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

Mr. Beauty Parlor. I detest people who share his sort of attitude, and I rarely use the word "detest". I don't mind men who use perfumes or dress in purple; I just hate this guy. (I do admit that his theme is nice, though.)

He's a terrible person, yes, but as a character I found him absolutely hilarious.

Definitely the most FABULOUS character in GS5.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:08 am

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Spoiler: Case 2

Edit: Sorry if I legitimately spoiled anyone. It's not common seeing references like that in the Japanese version.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:43 pm

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Spoiler:

I've only played GS5 once, so... that's the difference between us, and maybe that's why I still like him? xD

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:56 pm

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Re: "I just want to know one thing" - Dual Destinies Edition

Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:24 pm

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Spoiler: Case 5

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:30 pm

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Spoiler: Case 5

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:42 pm

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Sligneris wrote:

Spoiler: Case 5

Re: "I just want to know one thing" - Dual Destinies Edition

Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:53 pm

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

Spoiler: Case 2

Not to mention his theme sounds very ripoff-ish of Luke Atmey's theme :P Oh, and it's nice to hear I'm not the only one who loves Redd White. He's so underrated. His dialogue cracks me up every time. Splendiferous!

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:07 pm

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I don't really like how pathetic he was as a schemer and a villain though... ^^'

And Biyouin's theme might be a slight ripoff from Luke Atmey's one, but his one has more FABULOUS in it. :hobohodo:

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:38 pm

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I think that was just the game saying "this is still on easy-mode in the second case" as well as making it semi serious while still retaining the goofy tone set up in case 1. They even did that with Manfred Von Karma. IMO that's how I like Ace Attorney best. There are some cases that get a bit too edgy. It's important to me that they balance the humor properly with all the seriousness.

And about that theme. I agree. I'm still pretty excited for case 2 when Dual Destinies is out here because I think it has, what seemed to be, some of the funnier characters in the game.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:43 pm

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linkenski wrote:

I think that was just the game saying "this is still on easy-mode in the second case" as well as making it semi serious while still retaining the goofy tone set up in case 1. They even did that with Manfred Von Karma. IMO that's how I like Ace Attorney best. There are some cases that get a bit too edgy. It's important to me that they balance the humor properly with all the seriousness.

Even if the case is still on easy-mode, I still think that it was thematically a terrible decision for the case.

Spoiler: Case 2

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:00 pm

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I was talking about 1-2 because Rubia mentioned Redd White... sorry that was pretty obscure :P
Egads! I accidently spoiled 5-2 for myself ;(

Alright, it's pretty obvious, I know JK. But yeah some of the case premises in DD are... questionable i'd say. Apparently the writer even had an idea for a case premise that said "Doll murder case, why was the doll killed?" I don't really get the way he does that? Does he actually believe that players will think it could be true?

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:16 pm

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He himself admitted it didn't make much sense after all ^^' I have a few questions, returning to this thread's real purpose.

1. Why is Phoenix even allowed to defend an animal? Usually in such cases there is no trial, dangerous animals are just put down. There is explanation given, right?

Spoiler: GS5 endgame spoilers

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:26 pm

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They said the Orca DLC case is the only case they've made that's actually based on a real-world trials believe it or not... so I guess that's why they justify Phoenix being able to cross-examine a whale and all the other nonsense in that case.

Also, I know Yamazaki mentioned the Doll idea was bad, but why would anyone even consider it? I guess it's some sort of cultural difference or something. Japanese devs often think very far outside the box from what I've heard.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:31 pm

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linkenski wrote:

Alright, it's pretty obvious, I know JK. But yeah some of the case premises in DD are... questionable i'd say. Apparently the writer even had an idea for a case premise that said "Doll murder case, why was the doll killed?" I don't really get the way he does that? Does he actually believe that players will think it could be true?

What are the specifics of that comment (original text)? Because it sounds more like a reference to Takagi Akimitsu's novel Ningyou wa Naze Korosareru (Why Were The Dolls Killed?), a detective novel so famous there's no way Yamazaki hasn't heard about it/read it.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:35 pm

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Oh, suddently it doesn't sound as dumb after you mentioned that, and Yamazaki said he DOES take his inspiration from mytery and detective novels. :D Thanks for that heads-up.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:48 pm

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There was, in fact a sentence "Why was a doll killed?", so it makes sense.

I wonder how they would handle an unaging prosecutor.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:13 pm

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Sligneris wrote:

I don't really like how pathetic he was as a schemer and a villain though... ^^'

And Biyouin's theme might be a slight ripoff from Luke Atmey's one, but his one has more FABULOUS in it. :hobohodo:

But Redd White has beautaceousness.

linkenski wrote:

I was talking about 1-2 because Rubia mentioned Redd White... sorry that was pretty obscure :P
Egads! I accidently spoiled 5-2 for myself ;(

Alright, it's pretty obvious, I know JK.

Well, the purple suit was a dead giveaway. (What is with this series' discrimination against people in purple suits?)

Sligneris wrote:

1. Why is Phoenix even allowed to defend an animal? Usually in such cases there is no trial, dangerous animals are just put down. There is explanation given, right?

Spoiler: GS5 endgame spoilers

Yes, briefly.

Spoiler: TR

Spoiler: 5-5

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:37 pm

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Those reasonings are still kinda on a tightrope if you ask me, but who cares? The whale case is great!

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:27 pm

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

Spoiler: 5-5

...As far as I know people are arrested when they're suspected of crime and they are convicted and imprisoned in their own trial when it's proven without a shadow of doubt.

But then again, it's Ace Attorney

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Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:19 pm

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linkenski wrote:

Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:

Spoiler: Case 2

Not to mention his theme sounds very ripoff-ish of Luke Atmey's theme :P Oh, and it's nice to hear I'm not the only one who loves Redd White. He's so underrated. His dialogue cracks me up every time. Splendiferous!

About Biyouin's theme, you have a point. The composer for DD, Noriyuki Iwadare, also did the music for T&T, so his theme was probably inspired by Atmey's.

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:59 am

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How does "Though Route" work? Is it kinda like logic chess, I've not seen any screencaps nor footage of any sort, except with one of Apollo with his eyes closed, like a cut in. Is it kinda like logic, where you have to piece evidence together...I dunno. Bolt? You'd be the one to know.
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:28 am

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You have to pick the right option out of all of the presented ones. Basically the same as usual picking up an option, just in character's mind and it's rather a series of those instead.

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:50 am

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Sligneris wrote:

You have to pick the right option out of all of the presented ones. Basically the same as usual picking up an option, just in character's mind and it's rather a series of those instead.

Eh, that makes sense...

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:15 am

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:23 am

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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:

Spoiler: DLC Case Spoilers

Spoiler:

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:24 pm

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Is there any mention of Diego/Godot in the game? Please just answer yes or no. Thanks.

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:25 pm

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No.

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Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:27 pm

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Sligneris wrote:

No.

You spoiled the end boss!! AGH!
Not really, though...

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Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:37 am

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This doesn't have anything to do with the actual game, but does anyone know how Athena Cykes did in Japan in terms of popularity? Did she get a spot in that character poll?

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Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:29 am

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11th place

It really sucks she's below Klavier.

....Or that Trucy and Ema are below Oldbag.

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Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:08 pm

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God... dammit!!
I just... I really want her to be a good character, but I guess not :/

Do you guys think she was likable until the later cases?

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Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:04 pm

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I think people are blowing the "Athena is TERRIBLE" stuff way out of proportion. Her role in the game was a little overdone, I agree with that, but as a character I liked her quite a lot.

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Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:21 pm

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That's nice to know, because I was really expecting her to be likable :D

Will Court-Records get an Athena smiley soon?

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:26 am

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Keeping in mind I haven't played the game or seen any case streams yet, (I've only watched trailers and other promotional stuff), what exactly is the problem people are having with Athena? At least from the trailers she seems really interesting and a well-crafted character. What are the main issues people are having with her?

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:10 am

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I guess people dislike how central she becomes to the game's overarching plot for a supporting character. Then again, she's just as often overshadowed by other characters that it doesn't really matter overall. When Ash first used the term, I'm sure he was using it loosely. Athena only seems like a Mary Sue depending on how someone could see her.

In fact, I can easily make a comparison between her and how Nick had been when he first started off. There were too many times I wanted to reach through the screen and deal another blow to his head with that fire extinguisher. Ironically, Apollo was a bit safer from my rage because he didn't get as much development yet, and thus I couldn't hate him as much. So far, I can't imagine myself swinging a fire extinguisher at Athena and feeling relieved about it. ~~not that fire extinguishers make for ideal bludgeons in the first place~~

So yeah... play the game to find out for yourselves, you inquisitive bunch.

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:52 am

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I wasn't using the term Mary Sue loosely, but I think I do use it in a different way most people are used to. I have no real problems with her personality (Athena's character as a human being) per se, but her as a character within the abstract structure of the game story. As I indicated here, I see the Mary Sue as a trope of author representation/insertation not in terms of flawlessness, but in terms of how a character, in my view, fits within the story structure and what roles (s)he fullfills (and the necessity of that). In my mind, she's too present, also fulfilling roles she didn't need to.

In hindsight, I should have known that most people here would look at the term Mary Sue as a term to describe personality (though I had no idea people actually consider the term to be hateful O_o), but as I mostly look at plot-structures etc, I still think it's usable.

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