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I was thinking about making Wright as non-Japanese living in Japan while the rest stays with their nationality. Any ideas how to tackle this issue?
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Eat your hamburgers Apollo.
Fixed, if you don't mind. Also, it kinda sounds off-topic. Unless you meant a reference of a certain AA Comic.
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Slammer wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
So then the game would about Americans going to England to learn the manners and the justice system of the modern, civilized world and the English would look down on the Americans as backward boors?
(Souseki would make a good Poe though...)
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Ash wrote:
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Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
So then the game would about Americans going to England to learn the manners and the justice system of the modern, civilized world and the English would look down on the Americans as backward boors?
(Souseki would make a good Poe though...)
If the localization team is British, well, it'll become a plausible theory for real
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Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
That's not what I meant xP
DGS involves Ryuunosuke Raito, a Japanese student, going to England. (And then he loves the Western world so much he eventually moves to America, where his named is anglicized into Wright)
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Ash wrote:
Slammer wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
So then the game would about Americans going to England to learn the manners and the justice system of the modern, civilized world and the English would look down on the Americans as backward boors?
(Souseki would make a good Poe though...)
Didn't they always? :D
Bah, if they're going to "localize" the English Empire, they might as well go all the way and we will have the great German Empire. Heil!
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Bad Player wrote:
Slammer wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
That's not what I meant xP
DGS involves Ryuunosuke Raito, a Japanese student, going to England. (And then he loves the Western world so much he eventually moves to America, where his named is anglicized into Wright)
I understood what you meant :P
But I think they'll make Japan to be American (as always).
I hope I'm wrong, 'cause I'd prefer your localization idea!
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Slammer wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Bah, if they're going to "localize" the English Empire, they might as well go all the way and we will have the great German Empire. Heil!
It's "British" Empire, not English.
As for the localisation, I'm sure it will be fine... if Capcom plan on localising it, that is (I haven't actually heard any news if they are doing it or not).
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Slammer wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Bad Player... but I think they will, somehow, turn Japan into America, and leave the English Empire as it is, 'cause it's already "western".
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Bah, if they're going to "localize" the English Empire, they might as well go all the way and we will have the great German Empire. Heil!
It's "British" Empire, not English.
As for the localisation, I'm sure it will be fine... if Capcom plan on localising it, that is (I haven't actually heard any news if they are doing it or not).
Yeah, sorry for that... I sometimes mistake English for British.
I think Capcom is already working on it, but they don't want to make an official announcement, until they almost finish the work. We just have to be patient
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D_Albertz wrote:
The game is TOO JAPANESE aesthetically.
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How is DGS more Japanese than the other AA games?
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I really hope nobody at Capcom thinks that way, because the reason is bullshit.
How is DGS more Japanese than the other AA games?
How is DGS more Japanese than the other AA games?
Take a good look at DGS (cover or trailer). Then take a good long look at PW:AA or AA5, then go back to DGS again.
I've seen you say this "how is x more japanese when it's a japanese game?" a couple of times in the past too. C'mon dude. Don't be a sophist.
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I have no idea how well it did in Japan but I'm guessing worse than GS5.
though... didn't PLvPWAA sell quite well in the west? I know it bombed in japan, but I seem to recall it being just fine over here. If they advertized DGS by emphasising England and Sherlock Holmes as well as the main courtroom attractions in the west, I bet it'll be a home-run.
As for localizing it, of course they can't just keep the japanese names... otherwise it'll be a translation and not a localization. If people really want the japanese prose in english, why not play it in japanese? All that stands between you and the writing are symbols you can't fully read (assuming you don't read japanese). Translating something directly into english and retaining the japanese-specific jokes and names would be unprofessional IMO, not to mention you lose a big chunk of potential customers who don't like japanese-y made-in-japan games. (me, to some extent)
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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Slammer wrote:
In that case... yeah, it'd be the first time. But I bet DGS would sell better here in the west than it did in Japan.
Most likely.
Partly from people who bought it at launch telling people that Sherlock holmes is in it.
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And to think, this whole problem all started back when some translators wanted to localize this little niche game back in 2005 to be as American as possible. Took ten years before they finally couldn't use the excuse "local Japanese immigrants" to write around this.
Maya as a noodle girl?
Wouldn't really mind it, but alas, we cannot change the past.
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)And yeah, "Americanizing" the games was a quite bad idea, at least it turned out pretty bad because given all those yakuza and noodles and yôkai festivals and mediums wearing kimonos you get the impression that there have to be more Japanese than Americans in LA.
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Viktoria von Karma wrote:
Well, fans are always going to buy the game, that much is obvious (especially if we're talking about people who like the games enough to be in a forum about it), and I'm pretty sure Capcom is aware of that. But AA is a mid-popularity franchise at best, so ,sadly, we aren't enough to guarantee good sales. They could always try and see if the Sherlock Holmes effect makes it popular or something, but I don't think Capcom is in a very risk-taking mood at the moment.
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luck wrote:
They could always try and see if the Sherlock Holmes effect makes it popular or something, but I don't think Capcom is in a very risk-taking mood at the moment.
Not really. Actually, Capcom seems to be in a "bringing Gyakuten Saiban to the West was the worst idea we ever had" mood, at least this is what I think. I mean, because we neither got a physical release nor any translations but the English one for DD. Maybe they think they have lost us by making Phoenix a hobo and replacing him with Apollo?
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Viktoria von Karma wrote:
Maybe they think they have lost us by making Phoenix a hobo and replacing him with Apollo?
I'm pretty sure that's the case.
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They don't think they have lost us, but they probably think the concept for DGS won't be profitable enough for the admittedly limited audience in the west. It makes sense for them to think that because DD was a hit, going with AA6 is a safe bet too, whereas especially when DGS was just revealed and in early stages in japan Capcom were probably too skeptical of it. Besides, the last thing they released from Takumi's team was Ghost Trick which bombed despite being a brilliant game.
And another thing. Remember how soon it was announced that Yamazaki and Co started working "full force on the next GS title"? The way translations work at Capcom right now is that the localization team works alongside with the game's development and translates as the game is being written, which means Janet and her team were most likely reserved for doing localization for that title before DGS was even announced.
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Sligneris wrote:
Putting Sherlock Holmes's name in the title would be a great marketing strategy in itself, potentially attracting new players to the series as a whole, yeah.
"The Great Ace Attorney vs Sherlock Holmes"? Hell, I'd even take "Sherlock Holmes vs The Great Ace Attorney" if that's what it took to get it
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Sligneris wrote:
Putting Sherlock Holmes's name in the title would be a great marketing strategy in itself, potentially attracting new players to the series as a whole, yeah.
"The Great Ace Attorney vs Sherlock Holmes"? Hell, I'd even take "Sherlock Holmes vs The Great Ace Attorney" if that's what it took to get it
"Phoenix Holmes vs Sherlock Wright" would be ok too
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I'd really say make Phoenix's ancestor an Jap-American student doing an international internship back home where relatives live, and then somehow wind up doing extensive law studies over in the UK. (In the dubverse, it's plausible for Wright's ancestor to be the child of a Caucasian and a Japanese parent.)
I think what definitely can sell the game well is the British aspects of the game, particularly Sherlock Holmes' and his deductive reasoning minigame for sure.
I'm all for dubbing this game, but if there's a larger complication I'm not really getting at, I'd love to be enlightened.
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Exhibit A: Case 4's defendant, Natsume Souseki.
Exhibit B: All of Case 1.
Exhibit C: The entire reform of the Japanese Justice system overarching plot (America has a western justice system with attorneys already!)
I sharply remember what happened to the English dub of Detective Conan. They tried to Americanize the anime by having it set in Japanifornia, just like Ace Attorney. It didn't work and was confusing as all hell because the setting was simply too Japanese to start with. The mismatch between the character behavior and the claimed setting was completely jarring. In short, moving the anime to Japanifornia to try to appeal to westerners was worse than just leaving it in Japan.
The difficulty in DGS's localization will be flavoring the dialogue so it sounds appropriately dated, and helping western players understand the Japanese themes and references, like who Souseki is. A game like this is too Japanese already to justify turning all the rice balls into sub sandwiches, so to speak. If anything that's part of its charm.
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