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What about love as a motive? I don't think we've ever had that as a motive before.
We've had Acro's revenge (2-3) and Mask*deMasque's grand larceny (3-2) from the top of my head. I think this is covered.
But it's true that we have yet to meet a character so passionate about unfounded love that he/she would murder for it.
That's what I meant. I don't really count those two.
Also, we've never really had like love jealousy. Like killing someone to be with the person they loved, or that sort of thing.
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What about love as a motive? I don't think we've ever had that as a motive before.
We've had Acro's revenge (2-3) and Mask*deMasque's grand larceny (3-2) from the top of my head. I think this is covered.
But it's true that we have yet to meet a character so passionate about unfounded love that he/she would murder for it.
That's what I meant. I don't really count those two.
You mean a sort of Judge Claude Frollo "If I can't have you, no one can" murder motive? That would be interesting. Very interesting.
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Oh, yeah, and there was case 3-4, except instead of the murder case itself, it happened during the trial.
Not to sound like an insensitive douchebag, but I'd like to see another case with someone committing suicide in court, or at least try to commit suicide before he/she is stopped (preferably the latter, so we could at least end the case with a somewhat satisfactory ending).
I dunno, maybe Nick could finally get a stalker crush for himself.
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Aw, but those tropes are done to death. :P I mean, it's not exactly unrequited love, but we even had someone in Turnabout Return who tried to kill a third party he thought was responsible. It wouldn't make much a difference if it's unrequited love, anyway.
Oh, yeah, and there was case 3-4, except instead of the murder case itself, it happened during the trial.
Not to sound like an insensitive douchebag, but I'd like to see another case with someone committing suicide in court, or at least try to commit suicide before he/she is stopped (preferably the latter, so we could at least end the case with a somewhat satisfactory ending).
I dunno, maybe Nick could finally get a stalker crush for himself.
Oh, yeah, and there was case 3-4, except instead of the murder case itself, it happened during the trial.
Not to sound like an insensitive douchebag, but I'd like to see another case with someone committing suicide in court, or at least try to commit suicide before he/she is stopped (preferably the latter, so we could at least end the case with a somewhat satisfactory ending).
I dunno, maybe Nick could finally get a stalker crush for himself.
Sure, but they've never been done in AA. I am sick of the old motives. They're mostly just revenge, or money. Oh, and don't even get me started on the "there was a third person" thing. I am so sick of that. I really want to see love as a motive, and 3 separate cases with each attorney that converge into one. I wouldn't mind that suicide thing. But it should be the killer. With Phoenix saying that they're not allowed to take the easy way out, they have to pay for their crimes. Or something like that.
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Oh! If there's a love triangle, name the people involved after the Legend of Korra characters! While I really liked the first season (and only. What are you talking about, there isn't a second one!) the love triangle was so cringe-inducing that it felt like reading a fanfic.
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I really want to see love as a motive, and 3 separate cases with each attorney that converge into one.
One psycho mastermind who's madly in love with someone, three deaths from a certain love
Srsly, I'm fine with love as a motive in general, but I wouldn't want such a case to last too long. See, sympathy for someone who faced a tragedy and got revenge for it is much easier than for a serial killer who killed people he/she loved just because they didn't return the favor. If this guy is as hilarious as Mr. Psycho Bellboy, I may reconsider, though.
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I wouldn't mind that suicide thing. But it should be the killer. With Phoenix saying that they're not allowed to take the easy way out, they have to pay for their crimes. Or something like that.
This works with the above too.
Heck, that person doesn't even need to head to prison right away. Take him/her to a psychiatric rehab center or someplace and let that person settle down for a while.
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However, how does one present that in a way that doesn't make the killer look far too creepy? There's little point in having love as a motive if it doesn't make us feel SOMETHING positive towards the culprit.
How's my idea? :D
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So they're Zhengfanese? I only watched up to the first episode of the second season and stopped because I was getting bored with it. Somehow I still don't feel like returning to it.
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Thane wrote:
I most certainly wouldn't mind some more personal motives in upcoming titles. Well, if we're going to nitpick, I wouldn't mind interesting motives in general, since that's what Dual Destinies failed miserably at. However, how does one present that in a way that doesn't make the killer look far too creepy? There's little point in having love as a motive if it doesn't make us feel SOMETHING positive towards the culprit.
Pretty much all the series have had the same motives. Revenge or money. that's why love would be an interesting one.
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Oh! If there's a love triangle, name the people involved after the Legend of Korra characters! While I really liked the first season (and only. What are you talking about, there isn't a second one!) the love triangle was so cringe-inducing that it felt like reading a fanfic.
Please, no. No fanfic stuff. Mixing Series like that is never a good idea, especially not with a bad series like that.
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One psycho mastermind who's madly in love with someone, three deaths from a certain love triangle quad, and Trucy teasing her father for not finding her a new mom yet; and we can call it "Phoenix Wright: The Love Lawyer".
Sounds like something out of the stage show.
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Srsly, I'm fine with love as a motive in general, but I wouldn't want such a case to last too long. See, sympathy for someone who faced a tragedy and got revenge for it is much easier than for a serial killer who killed people he/she loved just because they didn't return the favor. If this guy is as hilarious as Mr. Psycho Bellboy, I may reconsider, though.
Feeling sympathy towards a villain IMO is always interesting. you know they're bad, but you also feel sorry for them. conflicted emotions. it makes you feel something.
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This works with the above too.
Heck, that person doesn't even need to head to prison right away. Take him/her to a psychiatric rehab center or someplace and let that person settle down for a while.Later that this psycho lady breaks out and hunts down Phoenix to take him has her husband, but since he refuses, she tries to murder him and is stopped before things get out of hand. Phoenix later takes a vacation with Maya, Pearl, and Trucy. What a beautiful ending.
Heck, that person doesn't even need to head to prison right away. Take him/her to a psychiatric rehab center or someplace and let that person settle down for a while.
wow, you really have this planned out. but that sounds like a horror movie.
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Pretty much all the series have had the same motives. Revenge or money. that's why love would be an interesting one.
You can add "self-preservation" and to the list (Furio Tigre and Alita Tiala). Also, blackmail
It's not really the fact that motives are all "revenge or money", though. You could see Alita Tiala's motive was money, but it became more complicated than that. Her motive was essentially to get rid of the chart. That's interesting
I'm with Thane. As long as they bring back interesting motives, I'm good
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Warp wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
One psycho mastermind who's madly in love with someone, three deaths from a certain love triangle quad, and Trucy teasing her father for not finding her a new mom yet; and we can call it "Phoenix Wright: The Love Lawyer".
Sounds like something out of the stage show.
Or a Takarazuka Musical. The things they come up with... *sigh*
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Srsly, I'm fine with love as a motive in general, but I wouldn't want such a case to last too long. See, sympathy for someone who faced a tragedy and got revenge for it is much easier than for a serial killer who killed people he/she loved just because they didn't return the favor. If this guy is as hilarious as Mr. Psycho Bellboy, I may reconsider, though.
Feeling sympathy towards a villain IMO is always interesting. you know they're bad, but you also feel sorry for them. conflicted emotions. it makes you feel something.
If done right, I guess so, but I don't think unrequited love leading to murder is original enough for a series like this, unless there's some sort of twist. Perhaps one of those people the culprit killed actually did love him/her back but was too late to confess. Said lover finally gets a chance to when Maya summons him/her during the trial or something. It's worth bringing Maya in if it's for a little but important role like that. Now, that would be a heartwarming moment.
Another twist could be part of the core mystery. 3 deaths in quick succession, but each of them are done in separate locations, and the question raised is over how this one guy could kill them all within minutes of each other even though moving from place to place would take hours.
...Ya know what, I just really want a case with parallel murder alibis. Instead of accusing one person for one and another for another; it's all done by one person who's trying to frame the other and take the other down with him/her. Bonus points if the other person was trying to frame a third person who was previously convicted for a different crime.
Hahaha... why do I feel like I've just spoiled the new game for everyone? :/
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If done right, I guess so, but I don't think unrequited love leading to murder is original enough for a series like this, unless there's some sort of twist. Perhaps one of those people the culprit killed actually did love him/her back but was too late to confess. Said lover finally gets a chance to when Maya summons him/her during the trial or something. It's worth bringing Maya in if it's for a little but important role like that. Now, that would be a heartwarming moment.
Aw. I'm getting misty-eyed
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Another twist could be part of the core mystery. 3 deaths in quick succession, but each of them are done in separate locations, and the question raised is over how this one guy could kill them all within minutes of each other even though moving from place to place would take hours.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
Warp wrote:
Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
One psycho mastermind who's madly in love with someone, three deaths from a certain love triangle quad, and Trucy teasing her father for not finding her a new mom yet; and we can call it "Phoenix Wright: The Love Lawyer".
Sounds like something out of the stage show.
Or a Takarazuka Musical. The things they come up with... *sigh*
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Srsly, I'm fine with love as a motive in general, but I wouldn't want such a case to last too long. See, sympathy for someone who faced a tragedy and got revenge for it is much easier than for a serial killer who killed people he/she loved just because they didn't return the favor. If this guy is as hilarious as Mr. Psycho Bellboy, I may reconsider, though.
Feeling sympathy towards a villain IMO is always interesting. you know they're bad, but you also feel sorry for them. conflicted emotions. it makes you feel something.
If done right, I guess so, but I don't think unrequited love leading to murder is original enough for a series like this, unless there's some sort of twist. Perhaps one of those people the culprit killed actually did love him/her back but was too late to confess. Said lover finally gets a chance to when Maya summons him/her during the trial or something. It's worth bringing Maya in if it's for a little but important role like that. Now, that would be a heartwarming moment.
Another twist could be part of the core mystery. 3 deaths in quick succession, but each of them are done in separate locations, and the question raised is over how this one guy could kill them all within minutes of each other even though moving from place to place would take hours.
...Ya know what, I just really want a case with parallel murder alibis. Instead of accusing one person for one and another for another; it's all done by one person who's trying to frame the other and take the other down with him/her. Bonus points if the other person was trying to frame a third person who was previously convicted for a different crime.
Hahaha... why do I feel like I've just spoiled the new game for everyone? :/
a sense of tragedy is always interesting. that could be another reason why the killer wants to commit suicide.
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I have an idea for a final case: The demonic turnabout. The villain is part of a cult worshiping an evil entity. The victim was a human sacrifice they used for one of their evil rituals. The crime scene would be an old abandoned cathedral that is being used by the evil cult. Evidence would include chalk pentagrams, old musty tomes, demonic artifacts, and other satanic objects.
The scenario of a cult worshiping an evil entity has been used already in the manga. And it was that classical demonic 'retribution' excuse for the murder. If you're interested it's the last case in volume 5.
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I have an idea for a final case: The demonic turnabout. The villain is part of a cult worshiping an evil entity. The victim was a human sacrifice they used for one of their evil rituals. The crime scene would be an old abandoned cathedral that is being used by the evil cult. Evidence would include chalk pentagrams, old musty tomes, demonic artifacts, and other satanic objects.
Not to rain on your parade, but wouldn't that be fairly similar to the whole witch thing in Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney?
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dimentiorules wrote:
I have an idea for a final case: The demonic turnabout. The villain is part of a cult worshiping an evil entity. The victim was a human sacrifice they used for one of their evil rituals. The crime scene would be an old abandoned cathedral that is being used by the evil cult. Evidence would include chalk pentagrams, old musty tomes, demonic artifacts, and other satanic objects.
Not to rain on your parade, but wouldn't that be fairly similar to the whole witch thing in Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney?
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The only reason I'd like to see such a theme be used would be during a Halloween case. It'd be perfect for Apollo, yeah?
He should be an expert considering 5-2. Just let the case start with him and Trucy trick-or-treating and I'm satisfied.
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I also thought this was going to be a DLC for GS5 and was very thoroughly disappointed (I thought it was really cute)
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The only reason I'd like to see such a theme be used would be during a Halloween case. It'd be perfect for Apollo, yeah?
He should be an expert considering 5-2. Just let the case start with him and Trucy trick-or-treating and I'm satisfied.
It must be a poisoning case. I mean, candy's everywhere!
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^ That second picture was just from a cross-promotional campaign
I know. That's why I was disappointed
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At one hand, the idea of having a more direct approach to evidence collecting is fun, and the fake evidence too. The way it was done in this game however was quite bad (you had to choose a X number of pieces of evidence at the end of each story to proof how something was done, but you couldn't tell what combinations of evidence would lead to what theory, meaning you could well have the right idea in your mind, but have the wrong set of evidence. A hypothesis-generating system like that in Trick DS would have made this game so much better...). But it would be quite frustrating if a GS game with such a system would let you go in court w/o all the necessary parts (even if it would be a bit more realistic...).
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That's amazing! It seems like Takumi's game, though. Not Yamazaki. Either way, I'm excited
Eh I was kinda hoping for AA6,but then I realized Ace Attorney 5 hasn't even been out for a year yet. Let's just hope this gets localized...look at what happened with GK2. Spin off series seem to have a bad habit of getting left in Japan.
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Just leading up to some ideas I've had in mind for a while: what if there were two defendants, identical twins. And they were both being suspected not for one murder but two simultaneous ones. The twins are actors and I've thought a really convoluted story that I won't post here because it's too long.
But then my second idea moving on in the next numbered game relating to the "Dark Age of the Law"
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Ok, I am new to court records, though I have been an Ace Attorney fan for quite some time now. The story and characters have captivated my friends and I over the years and have even managed to inspire us in certain forms.
Just leading up to some ideas I've had in mind for a while: what if there were two defendants, identical twins. And they were both being suspected not for one murder but two simultaneous ones. The twins are actors and I've thought a really convoluted story that I won't post here because it's too long.
But then my second idea moving on in the next numbered game relating to the "Dark Age of the Law"
Just leading up to some ideas I've had in mind for a while: what if there were two defendants, identical twins. And they were both being suspected not for one murder but two simultaneous ones. The twins are actors and I've thought a really convoluted story that I won't post here because it's too long.
But then my second idea moving on in the next numbered game relating to the "Dark Age of the Law"
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Also, I like your idea of the whole 'team up with the bad guy to find the ultimate truth'. I had hoped GS5 would've at least brought back Kristoph... but oh well, maybe he'll at least have a role in GS6?
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And I could see Wright calling Edgeworth to override the chief detective's stubbornness, only to realize that Klavier's already there visiting his brother, so everything works out and Nick feels useless. Yaaay.
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Not in that particular way however, it could be fun as well as really really complicated. 
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Also as for the two ideas I had:
The twin case is really complicated to the point that even though I've looked through the idea and plot of it with some friends we always end up changing something to take care of any inconsistency we find... Only to end up making new inconsistencies!
but yeah. The only thing we end up settling on is that my friends from theatre think that their personalities would be fun to act out since they are representative of the dramas. One is overly enthusiastic and happy all the time while the other is massively depressing and pessimistic. The main reason my friends think they'd be interesting to act out is because since they are actors and twins they often have to play out roles that require them to act the exact opposite of what their personalities are. It gets really convoluted other than their personalities though and one main conflict would be that at certain points even Wright or Apollo (or even both) would end up having trouble deciding which is which and would become conflicted at times on whether their clients have been lying to them, or even if they've been talking to the right one the whole time. (For comedic effect) but even that idea changes sometimes.
Re: GS6 Ideas
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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)It would have played a great role in that the person (or people) who framed the twins would have known the truth which would lead to a slip up on their part. (Or not, either way there are many ways it can turn out whether they know or not) My friends and I came up with the idea mainly as a joke because even though we knew this was Japan we were talking about, and they often have this kind of character in some of their games, we thought that Capcom wouldn't do something like that in a main GS game... This was prior to the release of DD so then... Case 3, turnabout academy happened... My friend contacted me right after he came about the "reveal" in the case and our conversation went something like this:
Stage direction:
I sit quietly at my desk, my 3DS is still on and open. I stare at it. The character model had been an almost instant giveaway but I still stare quietly as the "reveal" happens. I just sit. My phone rings... I think I know who it is...
Me: *picks up phone* Aló?
Friend: OOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIIIIIII-
Me: I know. *hangs up*
We had thought I would only be a matter of time for it to appear in a main series game... But the fact that it had been so soon after we'd thought up the idea came as a shock.
Then he called back and asked why I'd hung up so fast and I said that it added to the comedic/dramatic effect. Because I'm cool like that.
Re: GS6 Ideas
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Going back to the "previously locked away characters" idea, we actually spoke to Frank Sahwit in GK2, which was really random but quite fun, both in its randomness and to see how he fared in prison, although it served no real purpose besides comic effect and fanservice (whose service excactly?). So if it would be necessary meeting them again for some reason, it could work out really great. I'm imagining some sort of creepy trip down the memory lane dealing with their spite, maybe even threats. Or if some previous killer had some sort of interest in helping get a case solved so you end up awkwardly teaming up with the person.
(And they could even throw in an execution date to get that beloved added pressure)
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And back on that idea: it branched off on itself into an idea in which the overall case would be related to Godot's past as a defence attorney and you'd play as Godot from the past and him from the present.
Spoiler:
Also in addition to the visiting the past prisoners, those from my idea (with the exception of Kristoph) were never outright entirely evil. Damon Gant, Godot and Yanni Yogi are antagonists in the literal sense of the word in that they obstructed Wright and co.'s progression, and through that sense Franzisca, Edgeworth and even Gumshoe are occasionally practically antagonists. (Imagine that... Dick Gumshoe an antagonist this whole time) their actions are at another extreme for sure but they often did it in a distorted view of what they thought was the "right thing" and Yanni Yogi can be seen as more of a victim.
Where I'm going with it is that Phoenix and Co. May run into hostile past adversaries in their visits to the precinct or cells, but at the very least the more important characters (with the exception of Kristoph, I can already imagine him making hateful remarks as to how Wright has his badge back and Apollo's abandonment/perceived betrayal) would end up helping quite willingly. And once you think about it and imagine the scenarios, it would be all the more awkward for Phoenix to have to deal with these past adversaries who are suddenly supposed to help him. Imagine how Gant would act, maybe making comparisons as to "Wrighto and Worthy did better than he thought," or the exact opposite response in how he is disappointed that they let the court fall into such disrepair, leading to some heated arguments even though Gant would retain his happy
/serious 
demeanour throughout. Another interesting scene would be Godot criticizing Phoenix on how he has been messing up quite a lot and referencing Mia at times. And the ultimate fan service for me would be seeing both Wright and Godot at the defence's side trying their hardest together for the law and the memory of Mia against the main antagonist. 
and of course we can't forget Maya! ... WHERE'S LARREH!? 
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Re: GS6 Ideas
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Although I would prefer both of these as middle cases or DLC, because I've had enough of the past case thing with the final cases.
It would be interesting to get to talk to Yanni Yogi although thinking about him now I'm certain he's dead. :S The route this whole meeting-up-with-previous-killers thing is taking in my head involves Kristoph because I don't feel done with him and his psyche locks.
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