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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat May 03, 2014 1:50 pm

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Sierra Mikain wrote:

You have to admit, at least then it would be deserving of the M rating *eyerolls at whoever rated DD*

You have no idea how hard i facepalmed when i played Dual destinies on my birthday and realized just how stupid it was for it to have an M rating.

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Sat May 03, 2014 3:10 pm

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat May 03, 2014 4:09 pm

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Klonoahedgehog wrote:

Sierra Mikain wrote:

You have to admit, at least then it would be deserving of the M rating *eyerolls at whoever rated DD*

You have no idea how hard i facepalmed when i played Dual destinies on my birthday and realized just how stupid it was for it to have an M rating.

The ESRB is stupid, all right? For example, Super Smash Bros. Brawl got a T rating despite not having too much inappropriate content, while Shadow The Hedgehog only got an E10+, despite having guns, swearing, and genocide as one of the main plot points. Sometimes I really don't get what goes through their head when they rate video games.

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Sat May 03, 2014 5:30 pm

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Here's an idea I've had for a while: A killer that's a cannibal. You find the victim's body, and discover that it's partially eaten. Perhaps the villain could be a restaurant owner who puts his victims in the food he serves his customers. I got this from a cop show I watched with a similar premise, which made me think that the concept might work in a GS game.

...Y-you see...
Most of the Ace attorney games are aimed at children, for as much as the ratings may say otherwise. And, they really aren't that dark and grim, most of the time. Having a case juts like you described in there would probably make most people cry.

It's already bad enough when corpses are left unburied for days without discovery. The crime scene would staaank. :shoe:

There's no need for cannibalism. Hiding a dead body and letting it decompose for several days to mask the particular time of the crime is a common tactic used by murderers in detective fiction.

Besides, if anything, DGS is going to be much darker than this game ever will be.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat May 03, 2014 10:33 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

Tiagofvarela wrote:

dimentiorules wrote:

Here's an idea I've had for a while: A killer that's a cannibal. You find the victim's body, and discover that it's partially eaten. Perhaps the villain could be a restaurant owner who puts his victims in the food he serves his customers. I got this from a cop show I watched with a similar premise, which made me think that the concept might work in a GS game.

...Y-you see...
Most of the Ace attorney games are aimed at children, for as much as the ratings may say otherwise. And, they really aren't that dark and grim, most of the time. Having a case juts like you described in there would probably make most people cry.

It's already bad enough when corpses are left unburied for days without discovery. The crime scene would staaank. :shoe:

There's no need for cannibalism. Hiding a dead body and letting it decompose for several days to mask the particular time of the crime is a common tactic used by murderers in detective fiction.

Back when my cable company wasn't stealing back channels from its customers, I used to watch either Snapped or some other real life murder mystery series. In more than one of the episodes, the murderer (a non-cannibal) would do more than just let the body decompose,

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat May 03, 2014 11:27 pm

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These games needn't go any further than the mention of a decomposing body left in a place where it could be destroyed. It was already pushing bounds when DD had Apollo find a guy skewered on a table in plain sight or that one scene in the last case. Meanwhile, the sight of blood flowing after a swing of a sword, for example, is acceptable in the Japanese minors demographic, as long as the wounds aren't shown openly or, in more desperate cases, are blacked out.

Then again, what constitutes as acceptable for minors in that country is sometimes on shaky grounds anyway. (And yes, ESRB is stupid for not having a rating between Teen and Mature.)

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sat May 03, 2014 11:52 pm

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I'd like to see a GS game that takes place in a darker and edgier alternate universe to the main series, similar to Twisted Metal Black. It could be grittier and more realistic, including more dark subject matter for adults. For instance, in the alternate universe, one of the reasons Dahlia went crazy was because she was sexually abused as a child. Manfred Von Karma could be shown to be even more evil, retiring as a lawyer to become a corrupt politician, using any means to get higher up the ladder, including murdering everyone that gets in his way and pinning it on their loved ones. It maybe could become its own sub series, a series that actually deserves an M rating. The main series GS games wouldn't become any darker than they were before; this darker series is a different continuity entirely.

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Wed May 21, 2014 3:02 pm

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You know I am wondering who will be in the next main line Ace Attorney game, I still think the game will be called Phoenix Wright:Ace Attorney, and I am pretty sure they will bring back Apollo, but I am wondering do you think they are just going to axe of Athena? I mean they fleshed her out pretty quickly and I can see no reason to bring her back in the next game, however I feel like Apollo still has room for a lot of development, and I feel like Wright could have some unfinished business to do as well, but I can't see Athena being in the next game as much as I liked her, I really feel like she will either get the axe or just play the same role as Trucy or Pearls in the game, unless they break the mold and offer more than 5 cases in the main game.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 21, 2014 6:07 pm

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She's not going to be ditched. Capcom spent long enough on her design that they aren't just going to kick her out. On the other hand, she's not going to be doing much else, so... she can stay with Trucy at the office. Either that, or give her something better to do, Capcom, so we could have a genuinely helpful assistant who does more than pull gimmicks out of nowhere. That should be one of their top priorities on the drawing board.

It's gotten to the point that we have too many assistant characters, and though they each offer something different to the investigation, none of them are qualified to be legal assistants. Granted, they're mostly teenagers who still go to school somewhere, but Athena doesn't quite have that excuse anymore and she still plays the same role as the others.

Speaking of which, why is Trucy usually at the office when she should be in school? After all, Ema took a few days of absence because of her sister then, so she has an excuse. Maya and Pearl have attended school - that is, home-schooling. It's the Kurain Channeling School, after all. And Kay... uh... I dunno. Does she? Who's watching her anyway?

Now that I think about it, does Trucy get privilege and pardon of absence just because her father is a famous attorney? Would leaving her in Athena's supervision be a good idea? Should Apollo become a babysitter as backup? What does Phoenix do while he forces Apollo to babysit the girls? So many questions! ~~They should be answered in the next game~~

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Wed May 21, 2014 6:14 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

What does Phoenix do while he forces Apollo to babysit the girls?

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Wed May 21, 2014 6:22 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

Speaking of which, why is Trucy usually at the office when she should be in school? After all, Ema took a few days of absence because of her sister then, so she has an excuse. Maya and Pearl have attended school - that is, home-schooling. It's the Kurain Channeling School, after all. And Kay... uh... I dunno. Does she? Who's watching her anyway?

Compulsary education stops at 15 in Japan. It's quite possible that in any case, Minuki is already a full member of the working population.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 21, 2014 6:26 pm

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That's a tragedy for localization, especially under Californian law on education.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 21, 2014 7:05 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

That's a tragedy for localization, especially under Californian law on education.

We are living in a America that has no trial by jury....I think if they can make us suspend our disbelief that much they can pretty much do anything. If all else fails just say Trucy was a genius and graduated early. :sillytrucy:

Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu May 22, 2014 1:39 am

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Gammalad wrote:

Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

That's a tragedy for localization, especially under Californian law on education.

We are living in a America that has no trial by jury....I think if they can make us suspend our disbelief that much they can pretty much do anything. If all else fails just say Trucy was a genius and graduated early. :sillytrucy:

That's why I think they should have gone the Okami route and not try to hide the fact that it's Japan. But that's just me.

Anyways, I'd like to see more original methods for murder in GS6. There seems to be only 4 ways people are murdered in GS: They are either shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, or poisoned. The only cases I can think of in the main series that have the victim murdered in some other way are 2-1, 2-4, and 3-1. There are so many other ways that a murder can be carried out! Burning, drowning, suffocation, and gassing someone, just to name a few. I'm tired of having every murder be in one of those 4 ways!

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Thu May 22, 2014 2:52 am

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I wanna see a case that has Trucy as the assistant and you get to use Athena.
....I just want to see Trucy in the defense bench again.

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Thu May 22, 2014 3:50 am

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dimentiorules wrote:

Gammalad wrote:

Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

That's a tragedy for localization, especially under Californian law on education.

We are living in a America that has no trial by jury....I think if they can make us suspend our disbelief that much they can pretty much do anything. If all else fails just say Trucy was a genius and graduated early. :sillytrucy:

That's why I think they should have gone the Okami route and not try to hide the fact that it's Japan. But that's just me.

That would be a good idea for localizing DGS, though to keep things traditional, they're going to have to change a few things anyway. We can't have Susato explaining everything to this so-called American transfer student (unless he's the one explaining culture to the player, but that can get really repetitive).

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Anyways, I'd like to see more original methods for murder in GS6. There seems to be only 4 ways people are murdered in GS: They are either shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, or poisoned. The only cases I can think of in the main series that have the victim murdered in some other way are 2-1, 2-4, and 3-1. There are so many other ways that a murder can be carried out! Burning, drowning, suffocation, and gassing someone, just to name a few. I'm tired of having every murder be in one of those 4 ways!

You forgot Turnabout Return.

Poisoning aside, the other three are the most common ways a murder takes place anyway and are most easily able to be covered up or pinned onto someone else. Poisoning is just plain common across fiction because screw reality, people have access to poison any time. Drowning and suffocation by hanging or sleeping pills are also common, but usually set-up to look like suicides, so it's hard to come up with a suspect to defend. Burning and gassing people (or asphyxiation) require specific conditions, so they aren't practical. There can be special cases involving all your suggestions, though, so they're not scratched out just yet.

Heck, if anything, I feel like the bludgeoning idea isn't taken far enough. Imagine being conked to death by a fan or thick tome, or a coconut... carried by a swallow.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu May 22, 2014 1:34 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

Heck, if anything, I feel like the bludgeoning idea isn't taken far enough. Imagine being conked to death by a fan or thick tome, or a coconut... carried by a swallow.

...An African swallow or a European swallow?

Well? Are we going or what?

Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu May 22, 2014 3:05 pm

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Klonoahedgehog wrote:

I wanna see a case that has Trucy as the assistant and you get to use Athena.
....I just want to see Trucy in the defense bench again.

I honestly would like to see Wright and Trucy at the bench I am sure that could lead to some comedy gold.

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Thu May 22, 2014 3:30 pm

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Gammalad wrote:

Klonoahedgehog wrote:

I wanna see a case that has Trucy as the assistant and you get to use Athena.
....I just want to see Trucy in the defense bench again.

I honestly would like to see Wright and Trucy at the bench I am sure that could lead to some comedy gold.

That would be awesome. :basil:

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Thu May 22, 2014 6:27 pm

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AlonsoSwift wrote:

Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

Heck, if anything, I feel like the bludgeoning idea isn't taken far enough. Imagine being conked to death by a fan or thick tome, or a coconut... carried by a swallow.

...An African swallow or a European swallow?

What's the difference? You need to stop thinking based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions.
A European swallow, so it's easier to cover up.

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Thu May 22, 2014 8:17 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

AlonsoSwift wrote:

Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

Heck, if anything, I feel like the bludgeoning idea isn't taken far enough. Imagine being conked to death by a fan or thick tome, or a coconut... carried by a swallow.

...An African swallow or a European swallow?

What's the difference? You need to stop thinking based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions.
A European swallow, so it's easier to cover up.

Congrats on combining a Monty Python reference with an AA joke! :gant-clap:

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Thu May 22, 2014 8:30 pm

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Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

But really, since PLvsAA missed out on so many good chances to include Monty Python references, I feel that at least another one of these games should have a Monty Python reference. It would be a slight to the Comic Messiah's good name otherwise.

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Thu May 22, 2014 8:33 pm

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At least we've had "It's merely a fleshwound" :will:

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Thu May 22, 2014 10:03 pm

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Having lately rewatched the sketch of "Self-defense Against Fruit", I find a murder by coconut sounds rather appealing. It probably won't be integrated into an actual game, but it sure as heck would make a great parody.

Likewise, a murder incited by a fruit attack could even top Detective Conan's odd murder motives.

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Thu May 22, 2014 11:35 pm

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I want to see a case in which Apollo is accused of murder. He's the only one of the main playable characters who has never been on trial. Phoenix was on trial 3 times (1-2, 3-1, and 4-1), Athena was on trial once (5-5), and Edgeworth was on trial once (1-4). It would also be interesting to see Trucy accused of murder, say she's being accused of murdering someone who revealed one of her tricks to the public. It would at least give her an actual role instead of being there purely for fanservice, like Pearl and Klavier. You could have Pearl being accused of murder, which would cause Maya to find out about the news and make her long awaited return! I'd also like to see Juniper as the judge, since I'm getting tired of having the same judge in every single case with only 1 and a half exceptions.

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Fri May 23, 2014 12:11 am

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You could have Pearl being accused of murder, which would cause Maya to find out about the news and make her long awaited return!

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You could have Pearl being accused of murder

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Pearl being accused of murder

How could anyone accuse Pearly?

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I don't want Juniper as a judge. A trial just wouldn't feel right without our Udgey. He's like the glue of the GS series

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Fri May 23, 2014 12:39 am

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You could have Pearl being accused of murder, which would cause Maya to find out about the news and make her long awaited return!

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You could have Pearl being accused of murder

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Pearl being accused of murder

How could anyone accuse Pearly?

If Juniper can be accused of murder, so can Pearl.

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Fri May 23, 2014 5:30 am

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I don't want Juniper as a judge. A trial just wouldn't feel right without our Udgey. He's like the glue of the GS series

The only way I'm accepting her as judge is if it's possible to persuade her through other means while we play as Apollo.

Juniper: Oh, my... I-is it me, or has it suddenly become a bit hot in here...?
Apollo: Well, Your Honor?
Juniper: Um, well, s-since the defense is so insistent about taking a recess here, I-I think one would be appropriate...
Athena: Woohoo! Nice one, Apollo!
Klavier: ...Unbelievable. To think I'd be challenged in court in such a way by Herr Forehead of all people...

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If Juniper can be accused of murder, so can Pearl.

But Pearls has escaped suspicion from every angle in any situation, aside from a few naughty little things in the past. No offense to Juniper, but Pearls got mad skills with evasion.

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Fri May 23, 2014 5:36 am

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dimentiorules wrote:

I want to see a case in which Apollo is accused of murder. He's the only one of the main playable characters who has never been on trial. Phoenix was on trial 3 times (1-2, 3-1, and 4-1), Athena was on trial once (5-5), and Edgeworth was on trial once (1-4). It would also be interesting to see Trucy accused of murder, say she's being accused of murdering someone who revealed one of her tricks to the public. It would at least give her an actual role instead of being there purely for fanservice, like Pearl and Klavier. You could have Pearl being accused of murder, which would cause Maya to find out about the news and make her long awaited return! I'd also like to see Juniper as the judge, since I'm getting tired of having the same judge in every single case with only 1 and a half exceptions.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Fri May 23, 2014 2:42 pm

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Honestly to see Juniper being the Judge over at least one of Apollo's cases has so much potential. However I feel like she would more than likely be another client in Ace Attorney 6 effectively becoming the new Maggey Byrde.

Re: GS6 Ideas

Sun May 25, 2014 12:16 pm

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Hm here is another interesting thing to ponder, what do you think Objection~20XX will be like? Do you think it will be just a remix of 2001 or 2002 like 20013 was a remix of 2004? Or do you think they will make an entirely new Objection theme?

Re: GS6 Ideas

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Well, it's still too bad they didn't go with 2001 for Phoenix, as I can't help but to believe it actually sounds more mature than 2004, despite being used during his times as a rookie. It also goes without saying its more of his theme than 2004, with Turnabout Trump and Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.

I won't mention that I still think 2004 sounds more like female lawyer's theme, like Mia, somehow... That is less true in my mind with 2013 version, but I still can feel some of it in its melody...

It's too late by now though, now that they went with 2004. I'm pretty certain they'll continue to use 2004 for Phoenix, or maybe try to mix all his Objection themes together, kinda like they did with Court ~ Guardians of the Law in AAI

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Sun May 25, 2014 7:28 pm

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Gammalad wrote:

Hm here is another interesting thing to ponder, what do you think Objection~20XX will be like? Do you think it will be just a remix of 2001 or 2002 like 2013 was a remix of 2004? Or do you think they will make an entirely new Objection theme?

All three characters had their own objection theme in GS5. Phoenix had a remix of the one from GS3, Apollo had a remix of the one from GS4, and Athena had an entirely new one, which I consider to be the "Real" Objection 2013. I'd like to see an entirely new objection theme; remixing old music is lazy in my opinion, except for when it's used in special situations, like how Objection 2001 was used in GS4. Also, when you said 20XX, you made me think of Mega Man.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 28, 2014 12:50 am

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dimentiorules wrote:

All three characters had their own objection theme in GS5. Phoenix had a remix of the one from GS3, Apollo had a remix of the one from GS4, and Athena had an entirely new one, which I consider to be the "Real" Objection 2013. I'd like to see an entirely new objection theme; remixing old music is lazy in my opinion, except for when it's used in special situations, like how Objection 2001 was used in GS4. Also, when you said 20XX, you made me think of Mega Man.

Yeah, I agree exactly with this. It was an interesting concept, having each character use a specific Objection theme, but In T&T, Mia, Nick and Edgey all used the same one, and so I guess I'd like a new one for all.

Also, last night I had an epiphany; Ichiyanagi will be re-designed, and be a prosecutor in (possible only one case in) GS6.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 28, 2014 5:21 am

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SuperAj3 wrote:

Also, last night I had an epiphany; Ichiyanagi will be re-designed, and be a prosecutor in (possible only one case in) GS6.

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I think I'd rather see him again in GK3 rather than GS6. Nothing against the GK games, but the characters introduced in those games should keep out of the GS games. Not all fans of this franchise play the GK games, so there are those who'd rather not bother with characters that aren't part of the "mainstream canon", so to speak. ~~Besides, we already have Athena at the agency. What chaos we'd end up with if Kay suddenly pops in from nowhere again.~~

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 28, 2014 8:22 am

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SuperAj3 wrote:

dimentiorules wrote:

I was an interesting concept

Yes, you were :jake:

Seriously though, I'd love to see Ichinyagi back as well, but yeah, perhaps it'd be better if he returned to a GK-game, especially as many people have no idea who he is due to GK2 not being released outside of Japan (hmpf :edgeworth:

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 28, 2014 10:06 am

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I'd like to see some cameos from the GK games, so at the very least it's an acknowledgement of the games (kind of how Klavker was an acknowledgement of Apollo Justice in Dual Destinies). Yumihiko is one of my favorite characters, but I agree he should be saved for GK3 instead for reasons already listed. I like Kay, too, but things could get chaotic if she appeared like Rubia said (though I'd like a mention from Edgey)

I think it could work pretty well if someone like Hayami appeared as a witness in a case, though. I think that's a nice balance. Also, imagine an interaction between anyone at the WAA and Tyrell Badd (which wouldn't be far off from Adrian, since we have seen her after she was arrested)

Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 28, 2014 5:56 pm

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I'd like to see some cameos from the GK games, so at the very least it's an acknowledgement of the games (kind of how Klavker was an acknowledgement of Apollo Justice in Dual Destinies).

"Klavker"... sure, it's a typo, but it's got a nice ring to it. Kinda like a portmanteau of Klavier and "stalker". Yeah, that's what I'm gonna call him from now on. Thanks.

Still, Klavker showed up in DD because he's a GS character, not a GK one, and DD obviously couldn't pretend AJ didn't exist. (Maybe it just pretended parts of 4-4 didn't happen.) There's obviously no rule that says GK characters can't show up in GS games, but they'd come out from left field, especially if said character has no localized name yet.

As for AAI, while it has been localized, the only characters worth bringing back are Lang and Kay. Badd retired and turned his badge in, Calisto was arrested and tried in another country, Rhoda is a flight attendant, and Lauren... random fangirl. Though, in Kay's case, she really doesn't have anything better to do than to ruin Edgeworth's day. At least Lang can still have a role as a member of Interpol, but if it's just him, I don't think it's worth bringing anyone up. Nonetheless, let the Republic of Zheng Fa be merged into the mainstream canon. It's an entire country, not a minority.

And if they REALLY wanted Nick to meet with Kay or Lang for some obscure reason, then let Nick star as a cameo in a GK game. Problem solved.

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Re: GS6 Ideas

Wed May 28, 2014 6:21 pm

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While GK have quite a few lovely characters I have a hard time seeing any of them having any place in a GS game (obviously the other way around didn't stop them from bringing in Lotta, Penny Nichols and Ema in GK games, but still). For me it'd mostly feel weird, but another way of reminding of the GK canon in a GS game would be nice.

Nick in GK game though, that I would like, seeing him through the eyes of Edgeworth as well as having him in a situation where he can be something else than a protagonist.

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