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Shelly_De_Killer wrote:
I think for GS6 O'conner should join Wright's agency and Robin begins working as a prosecutor under edgeworth or even simon.
Should any of them even start rising to eventually become main character, though?
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Could we at least get a defense law firm that can rival that of the Wright Anything Agency? As pleasant for them that they're gradually growing and expanding their sphere of influence, I'm getting annoyed that they seem to be the only ones who seem to get anything important done.
It's fine either way if Apollo gets his sequel or if Phoenix keeps his position as the protagonist yet again. If the former's backstory is so crucial to future plots, then go for it. If the latter takes the helm with better control, then go for this instead. Above all, we should keep an eye on how the world is changing around them. It seriously needs more expansion, but not literally across the seas; this will only complicate the storyline further. Sadly so far, it seems like one big, boring stalemate in which little to nothing gets done. I felt promise when Athena was introduced as the "Courtroom Revolutionnaire", but all I got was a naive little girl who played with a funky gadget and had some mommy issues. Donde está la revolucion?
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Jibuis wrote:
A case using the Mason system would be great, oh and more cameos :D
The MASON System was exclusively design to shed some light in the darkness that surrounded Phoenix's disbarment case and Kristoph's machinations, I don't think we'll be seeing the MASON System making a comeback seeing as how it already served its purpose.
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Shelly_De_Killer wrote:
I think for GS6 O'conner should join Wright's agency and Robin begins working as a prosecutor under edgeworth or even simon.
In the ending, O'Conner said that he'd be retaking the academy's entrance exam (legitimately, this time)- so I doubt that he'll be qualified as a full-fledged lawyer by the time the next game starts.
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Shelly_De_Killer wrote:
I think for GS6 O'conner should join Wright's agency and Robin begins working as a prosecutor under edgeworth or even simon.
In the ending, O'Conner said that he'd be retaking the academy's entrance exam (legitimately, this time)- so I doubt that he'll be qualified as a full-fledged lawyer by the time the next game starts.
We're talking about the series that stars thirteen/seventeen year old prosecuting attorneys, wouldn't be too farfetched that he randomly became a defense attorney prodigy and aced all of his credits in a couple of months.
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Scent wrote:
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Shelly_De_Killer wrote:
I think for GS6 O'conner should join Wright's agency and Robin begins working as a prosecutor under edgeworth or even simon.
In the ending, O'Conner said that he'd be retaking the academy's entrance exam (legitimately, this time)- so I doubt that he'll be qualified as a full-fledged lawyer by the time the next game starts.
We're talking about the series that stars thirteen/seventeen year old prosecuting attorneys, wouldn't be too farfetched that he randomly became a defense attorney prodigy and aced all of his credits in a couple of months.
If this happened, then I would lose any respect I have for O'Conner.
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We're talking about the series that stars thirteen/seventeen year old prosecuting attorneys, wouldn't be too farfetched that he randomly became a defense attorney prodigy and aced all of his credits in a couple of months.
Both Franziska and Klavier passed their exams in Germany, though (which apparently has a very progressive school system, in the AA universe). O'Conner is taking his in America which, apparently, isn't all that progressive.
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We're talking about the series that stars thirteen/seventeen year old prosecuting attorneys, wouldn't be too farfetched that he randomly became a defense attorney prodigy and aced all of his credits in a couple of months.
Both Franziska and Klavier passed their exams in Germany, though (which apparently has a very progressive school system, in the AA universe). O'Conner is taking his in America which, apparently, isn't all that progressive.
Oh, look! O'Conner is taking a plane to Germany to fastened his DA credits.
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He's not showing up next game. End of story.
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Case 1: Introduction case. Usually related to the last case (PW:T&T onwards this is a trend)
Cases 2&3 Filler cases. 'Nuff said.
Case 4 - If a case 5 exists, this case is usually a short pre-story to the fifth. However is sometimes the final case.
Case 5 - Either DLC (unrelated to plot) or Super Uber Finale where everything comes together into a explosion of awesome saws.
I would LOVE to see this...
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I'd just love to see the next games blow away all our per-conceptions, that's all.
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I personally would like to see characters from the first 3 games who haven't appeared in 4 and 5 return, and see how they changed over the years. Like we'll see an older, more matured Franziska as a prosecutor, perhaps as the games "guest" prosecutor for the final case, like Manfred Von Karma in 1, Edgeworth in 2 and 5, and Franziska in 3. I think we should have a completely new character for the game's "main" prosecutor, rather than any returning characters. I would LOVE to see Juniper as a Judge for at least one case. I'm getting a bit tired of having almost every single trial be presided by the same Judge. Don't get me wrong, I like Udgey, I'd just like to see some more variety.
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Sligneris wrote:
It would be nice to see the judge that is more strict, almost hostile towards both defense and prosecution. Reading emotions? Spotting nervous ticks? Tricking the witness to say something? Some say Udgey is biased towards prosecution, but quite often he favors the defense, and then we see the court ganging up against the witness. Granted, it is the actual culprit, yet it still would be nice to see more of an opposition from someone else that guilty party him/herself.
We currently have the judge who doesn't know what to think, the judge who doesn't know how to feel about something, and the judge who trusts only her own judgment. Now, we only need a judge who doesn't care about anything to complete this circle.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Sligneris wrote:
It would be nice to see the judge that is more strict, almost hostile towards both defense and prosecution. Reading emotions? Spotting nervous ticks? Tricking the witness to say something? Some say Udgey is biased towards prosecution, but quite often he favors the defense, and then we see the court ganging up against the witness. Granted, it is the actual culprit, yet it still would be nice to see more of an opposition from someone else that guilty party him/herself.
We currently have the judge who doesn't know what to think, the judge who doesn't know how to feel about something, and the judge who trusts only her own judgment. Now, we only need a judge who doesn't care about anything to complete this circle.
Oh God, a laid-back Judge, that would be HORRIBLE!
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A judge that has a chair that he doesn't know how to use. Like he has control of the court's lighting and all that jazz. And in the most inconvenient times he turns off the lights or plays some cheesy music.
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A judge that has a chair that he doesn't know how to use. Like he has control of the court's lighting and all that jazz. And in the most inconvenient times he turns off the lights or plays some cheesy music.
No. Just no.
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Eurekajuice wrote:
A judge that has a chair that he doesn't know how to use. Like he has control of the court's lighting and all that jazz. And in the most inconvenient times he turns off the lights or plays some cheesy music.
No. Just no.
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Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
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plsontaesung wrote:
I always thought that Gavin Law Office have to be mentioned for further story progression.
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
That's... A lot to work on, don't you think? Former associate to Kristoph AND now a prosecutor?
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I'd like to see another law office to rival the Wright Anything Agency. They'd be defense attorneys, but to contrast with the main characters, they wouldn't be afraid of using dirty, underhanded methods to get their client not guilty. They'd be a corrupt law office, and they'd try to convince Phoenix, Apollo, and Athena that their tactics are more effective.
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plsontaesung wrote:
I always thought that Gavin Law Office have to be mentioned for further story progression.
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
That actually sounds cool.
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dimentiorules wrote:
Um, did you read the original post. It clearly said "new rival prosector". I actually think that's a good idea, athough wouldn't that be quite similar to Godot, being a defense attorney that became a prosecutor?
Hm. I am apparently somehow blind since several months ago. My bad.
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plsontaesung wrote:
I always thought that Gavin Law Office have to be mentioned for further story progression.
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
That actually sounds cool.
Assuming Kristoph mentored said associate, could it be possible said prosecutor could use forged evidence? It would be about time someone did.
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plsontaesung wrote:
I always thought that Gavin Law Office have to be mentioned for further story progression.
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
Like, eh, how about this? New rival prosecutor is former defense attorney who was hired in Kristoph's Law Firm but immediately lost their job in 4-1 because of their co-worker Apollo, and they know Apollo's private information. (Also, it would be nice if they were Athena's law school teacher in Germany)
Not another Godot please. At least let this one act more like... I dunno, Atmey?
dimentiorules wrote:
I'd like to see another law office to rival the Wright Anything Agency. They'd be defense attorneys, but to contrast with the main characters, they wouldn't be afraid of using dirty, underhanded methods to get their client not guilty. They'd be a corrupt law office, and they'd try to convince Phoenix, Apollo, and Athena that their tactics are more effective.
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Assuming Kristoph mentored said associate, could it be possible said prosecutor could use forged evidence? It would be about time someone did.
You say that like it's been missing for a long time.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
You say that like it's been missing for a long time.
Uh... When was the last time we had someone present a forgery? Phoenix? Apollo? Those were accidental, I'm talking about something on purpose, like, in said case, Phoenix and Apollo are successfully proving that it's IMPOSSIBLE for their client to have been at the scene of the crime at that specific time, but then the prosecution presents a forged piece of evidence and corners the defense once more. After clearing the case, you're summoned by Chief Edgeworth to follow-up that specific case because the prosecutor admitted to it being a piece of forgery.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
You say that like it's been missing for a long time.
Uh... When was the last time we had someone present a forgery? Phoenix? Apollo? Those were accidental, I'm talking about something on purpose, like, in said case, Phoenix and Apollo are successfully proving that it's IMPOSSIBLE for their client to have been at the scene of the crime at that specific time, but then the prosecution presents a forged piece of evidence and corners the defense once more. After clearing the case, you're summoned by Chief Edgeworth to follow-up that specific case because the prosecutor admitted to it being a piece of forgery.
The "last time" would be in DD, when Blackquill was tipped off by an unreliable witness about a certain tape recording. The last time a prosecutor knew he was presenting forged evidence and did so anyway, though, would be back in AAI.
So, if the prosecutor is found presenting a forged piece of evidence on purpose, then said prosecutor will be disbarred, and Edgey will have to find another prosecutor to take that case. Either way, it's got nothing to do with Nick and his homies. What a colossal waste of tiiiime.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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You say that like it's been missing for a long time.
Uh... When was the last time we had someone present a forgery? Phoenix? Apollo? Those were accidental, I'm talking about something on purpose, like, in said case, Phoenix and Apollo are successfully proving that it's IMPOSSIBLE for their client to have been at the scene of the crime at that specific time, but then the prosecution presents a forged piece of evidence and corners the defense once more. After clearing the case, you're summoned by Chief Edgeworth to follow-up that specific case because the prosecutor admitted to it being a piece of forgery.
The "last time" would be in DD, when Blackquill was tipped off by an unreliable witness about a certain tape recording. The last time a prosecutor knew he was presenting forged evidence and did so anyway, though, would be back in AAI.
So, if the prosecutor is found presenting a forged piece of evidence on purpose, then said prosecutor will be disbarred, and Edgey will have to find another prosecutor to take that case. Either way, it's got nothing to do with Nick and his homies. What a colossal waste of tiiiime.
Oh yeah, that bit with Blackquill, but that was not on purpose (can't remember the AAI bit, though).
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By the way, what I mean as "forged evidence" can also be the kind of evidence that is presented illegitimately, even if it didn't come from a forger.
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...Though, I think it's the another way. For forging and presenting forged evidence in court you'd not only be disbarred. You would be jailed. However, when I think of it... I'd say that you are penalized, when you make a mistake and use forged mistake unknowingly and it can be proven. Edgeworth used forged evidence that was given to him by Lana Skye.
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But, I digress. Yes, those are examples of "illegal evidence", but a lot of things are. And those "penalties" in court aren't canon. Phoenix has messed up a lot in court, but none of those wrong presentations can be considered canon. Anything that happens out of court, though, is.
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"The last nine years, ever since my disbarment... I worked on a certain project, which aimed to repair the law system."
"...The project failed. One person deluded the people responsible for deciding on its execution, diminishing its importance"
"It was Prosecutor <insert name of prosecutor who would be introduced by now> who was that person"
Phoenix quite often is pretty arrogant and, in his beliefs of what his right, forgets to look at things from the other side of the courtroom, which is why he'd think of him as of another corrupt prosecutor. I personally like to think that this prosecutor would be someone wanting to stop Wright & Co. but in his own ideals, it would be for a greater good. And he would have a reason. The controversial actions of the protagonists he would view as manipulations - after all, calling people liars and accusing them as culprits based on their supposed emotions and nervous ticks is pretty extraordinary. And what's worse, he is sure these tactics would have worked all too well, as the defense would be able to manipulate jurors to render a Not Guilty verdict for any defendant, with these distracted by its unsubstantiated claims. That is why he would feel the need to stop the Jurist System and our agency... Of course, we would not learn about his point of view until the last case. Until then, we would see AA1-2!Edgeworth-like prosecutor who tries to silence us at every moment. Bonus monologue from that character:
"Your project, Mr. Wright was an idea."
"Idea of the legal system, where no decisive evidence is needed to acquit or convict a defendant."
"Idea, from which neither side would benefit... Or either one could."
"Do you know who would benefit the most...? Those, who are the most capable of manipulating people."
"...In your world, all is needed is a suggestion. And after that suggestion, you can shape the truth in any way you want."
"That, Mr. Wright, is your concept of justice."
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Sligneris wrote:
I personally like to think that this prosecutor would be someone wanting to stop Wright & Co. but in his own ideals, it would be for a greater good. And he would have a reason. The controversial actions of the protagonists he would view as manipulations - after all, calling people liars and accusing them as culprits based on their supposed emotions and nervous ticks is pretty extraordinary. And what's worse, he is sure these tactics would have worked all too well, as the defense would be able to manipulate jurors to render a Not Guilty verdict for any defendant, with these distracted by its unsubstantiated claims. That is why he would feel the need to stop the Jurist System and our agency...
I genuinely like where this idea is going, but something about it seems... oddly familiar.
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Of course, we would not learn about his point of view until the last case. Until then, we would see AA1-2!Edgeworth-like prosecutor who tries to silence us at every moment.
...Yep, that's it.
"I knew it! It was all the work of Mr. Htrowegde!"
"Oh, just who is that?" "Mr. Edgeworth's evil twin, of course!"
"Ms. Fey, stop. Please, just stop. (Mr. Wright, you set me up for this, didn't you?)"Damn you, overactive imagination.
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Sorry for the digression. On-topic:
Sligneris wrote:
Phoenix quite often is pretty arrogant and, in his beliefs of what his right, forgets to look at things from the other side of the courtroom, which is why he'd think of him as of another corrupt prosecutor. I personally like to think that this prosecutor would be someone wanting to stop Wright & Co. but in his own ideals, it would be for a greater good. And he would have a reason. The controversial actions of the protagonists he would view as manipulations - after all, calling people liars and accusing them as culprits based on their supposed emotions and nervous ticks is pretty extraordinary. And what's worse, he is sure these tactics would have worked all too well, as the defense would be able to manipulate jurors to render a Not Guilty verdict for any defendant, with these distracted by its unsubstantiated claims.
That's a nice idea, and in some way, I feel that prosecutor would be right.
When you consider that Phoenix worked on the jury system partly (if not mostly) in order to catch Kristoph, due to the loss of his badge (meaning he had a personal interest in it), and that he chose himself the case for the test trial, as well as the lawyer and the prosecutor (Vera and Klavier being both connected to the case of the past) and the jurors (which include the lawyer's mother)... This system was rigged from the start. Even if a future implementation doesn't have to be manipulated like that, it doesn't give much faith in the fairness of this system.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
:maya: "I knew it! It was all the work of Mr. Htrowegde!"
"Oh, just who is that?"
"Mr. Edgeworth's evil twin, of course!"
"Ms. Fey, stop. Please, just stop. (Mr. Wright, you set me up for this, didn't you?)"
Damn you, overactive imagination.
"Oh, just who is that?" "Mr. Edgeworth's evil twin, of course!" "Ms. Fey, stop. Please, just stop. (Mr. Wright, you set me up for this, didn't you?)"Damn you, overactive imagination.
I don't think it's that much similar. That prosecutor would want to straigten up the law system wanting to erase corruption, when he sees it, while Edgeworth was after his perfect record. The only similarity is that both would appear to be corrupt and that both would actually behave like normal adult people.
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