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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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I personally like to think that this prosecutor would be someone wanting to stop Wright & Co. but in his own ideals, it would be for a greater good. And he would have a reason. The controversial actions of the protagonists he would view as manipulations - after all, calling people liars and accusing them as culprits based on their supposed emotions and nervous ticks is pretty extraordinary. And what's worse, he is sure these tactics would have worked all too well, as the defense would be able to manipulate jurors to render a Not Guilty verdict for any defendant, with these distracted by its unsubstantiated claims. That is why he would feel the need to stop the Jurist System and our agency...
I genuinely like where this idea is going, but something about it seems... oddly familiar.
On the jury: Kristoph said something along those lines.
On Apollo's bracelet: Blackquill literally expressed himself against it on case two.
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D'aw, I wanted a normal von Karma. :/
You implying there's something abnormal about pro-wrestling? *dropkicks*
That's exactly how the opening exchange will go in court.
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On the jury: Kristoph said something along those lines.
On Apollo's bracelet: Blackquill literally expressed himself against it on case two.
On Apollo's bracelet: Blackquill literally expressed himself against it on case two.
One was a murderer and we got him convicted, second suddenly felt like allowing it, when it could help him cut down the phantom. Yeah... We never faced any real opposition, at least not one that would not make it all black and white. It was similar with Means anyway.
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I don't think it's that much similar. That prosecutor would want to straigten up the law system wanting to erase corruption, when he sees it, while Edgeworth was after his perfect record. The only similarity is that both would appear to be corrupt and that both would actually behave like normal adult people.
Yes, I suppose one of these days, we'll be left with Edgeworth's legion of prosecutors that fight for the truth, justice, and everything that is sound, rivaling Wright's legion of defense attorneys that fight for pretty much the same things... except the last bit. They'll become the demigods of a new era of legal righteousness that smite evildoers everywhere.
No, really, I do like the idea of an overly idealistic rival who becomes so hostile over a misunderstanding, but this only reminds me of a loved character who shall live on in the spirits of cafes everywhere.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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I want a Pro-Wrestler Prosecutor that Dropkicks the Defence in court.
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What is this madness, and why did I not think of it earlier?
I know right? It fits perfectly. Maybe we'll also finally meet Phoenix the dog...
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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I don't think it's that much similar. That prosecutor would want to straigten up the law system wanting to erase corruption, when he sees it, while Edgeworth was after his perfect record. The only similarity is that both would appear to be corrupt and that both would actually behave like normal adult people.
Yes, I suppose one of these days, we'll be left with Edgeworth's legion of prosecutors that fight for the truth, justice, and everything that is sound, rivaling Wright's legion of defense attorneys that fight for pretty much the same things... except the last bit. They'll become the demigods of a new era of legal righteousness that smite evildoers everywhere.
No, really, I do like the idea of an overly idealistic rival who becomes so hostile over a misunderstanding, but this only reminds me of a loved character who shall live on in the spirits of cafes everywhere.
Hmm... It would a misunderstanding, when it comes to the manipulation aspect, but also more of a clash of ideals. Oh, and what I meant in my statement quoted here by "erasing corruption" is what I described earlier in my idea, obviously. Maybe he would be a lot like Edgeworth, but he would have different motivations for sure - past!Edgeworth strove for a perfect win record, present!Edgeworth strives for perfect, yet honest prosecution, trusting the defense will respond with the same. Neither is that much similar to my idea.
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If have an idea for a case. The victim is a blackmailer, who is murdered by one of the people he's blackmailed. Said person lost everything they had due to the blackmailer, their spouse left them, they lost their house, and all of their property. They couldn't take it any more, so they murdered the blackmailer to make it stop. It would be a good way to make the killer sympathetic, as they lost everything and went insane, which is what caused them to kill the person. Maybe the murderer could be a politician that the blackmailer found out some information about and blackmailed him of every last penny he had to keep him quiet.
That's interesting, and since the series is taking a turn towards the international, it's possible this could happen.
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If have an idea for a case. The victim is a blackmailer, who is murdered by one of the people he's blackmailed. Said person lost everything they had due to the blackmailer, their spouse left them, they lost their house, and all of their property. They couldn't take it any more, so they murdered the blackmailer to make it stop. It would be a good way to make the killer sympathetic, as they lost everything and went insane, which is what caused them to kill the person. Maybe the murderer could be a politician that the blackmailer found out some information about and blackmailed him of every last penny he had to keep him quiet.
Hmm I like it but I might feel too guilty about that, the killer is too sympathetic and you would be responsible for sending them to jail to potentially a death sentence (since punishments are never made too clear).
I think it'd be too dark since overall the series wants to portray good people getting good things.
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If anything I think it sounds like a case that would suit a darker attorney than Phoenix. Kristoph Gavin or Robert Hammond sure, staying calm and exposing the truth to send an overall good person to jail to suffer more than they already have.
That or it could be quite the twist for Phoenix's "Always believe in your Client" policy, where he does uncover the truth but regrets doing so.
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Hmm I like it but I might feel too guilty about that, the killer is too sympathetic and you would be responsible for sending them to jail to potentially a death sentence (since punishments are never made too clear).
I think it'd be too dark since overall the series wants to portray good people getting good things.
I think it'd be too dark since overall the series wants to portray good people getting good things.
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If have an idea for a case. The victim is a blackmailer, who is murdered by one of the people he's blackmailed. Said person lost everything they had due to the blackmailer, their spouse left them, they lost their house, and all of their property. They couldn't take it any more, so they murdered the blackmailer to make it stop. It would be a good way to make the killer sympathetic, as they lost everything and went insane, which is what caused them to kill the person. Maybe the murderer could be a politician that the blackmailer found out some information about and blackmailed him of every last penny he had to keep him quiet.
Hmm I like it but I might feel too guilty about that, the killer is too sympathetic and you would be responsible for sending them to jail to potentially a death sentence (since punishments are never made too clear).
I think it'd be too dark since overall the series wants to portray good people getting good things.
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If anything I think it sounds like a case that would suit a darker attorney than Phoenix. Kristoph Gavin or Robert Hammond sure, staying calm and exposing the truth to send an overall good person to jail to suffer more than they already have.
That or it could be quite the twist for Phoenix's "Always believe in your Client" policy, where he does uncover the truth but regrets doing so.
It wouldn't be too much darker than, say, 3-4, which ends with your client committing suicide.
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If have an idea for a case. The victim is a blackmailer, who is murdered by one of the people he's blackmailed. Said person lost everything they had due to the blackmailer, their spouse left them, they lost their house, and all of their property. They couldn't take it any more, so they murdered the blackmailer to make it stop. It would be a good way to make the killer sympathetic, as they lost everything and went insane, which is what caused them to kill the person. Maybe the murderer could be a politician that the blackmailer found out some information about and blackmailed him of every last penny he had to keep him quiet.
Hmm I like it but I might feel too guilty about that, the killer is too sympathetic and you would be responsible for sending them to jail to potentially a death sentence (since punishments are never made too clear).
I think it'd be too dark since overall the series wants to portray good people getting good things.
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If anything I think it sounds like a case that would suit a darker attorney than Phoenix. Kristoph Gavin or Robert Hammond sure, staying calm and exposing the truth to send an overall good person to jail to suffer more than they already have.
That or it could be quite the twist for Phoenix's "Always believe in your Client" policy, where he does uncover the truth but regrets doing so.
It wouldn't be too much darker than, say, 3-4, which ends with your client committing suicide.
It would though because the repercussions go on longer. 3-4 Had the client commit suicide and the bad guy got away but did it change anything about the lawyer? It was a dark situation but it didn't have a lasting effect. A case where Phoenix (well it couldn't be Phoenix cause he'd just pull the Magatama trick and know the truth) but say Apollo...followed Wright's philosophy of believing in his client to the bitter end and then his client despite seeming good and kind and hard done by, did turn out to have done it then it would shake him to the core. He'd know that sometimes belief isn't enough, sometimes you CAN be wrong. Considering how he's already had that philosophy shaken before in 5-5 then that might just break him entirely, done wrong by two mentors. It might give him reason to don the badass coat and split from Wright co. again.
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Where in my previous description of my case idea did I say that the defendant was the murderer? The murderer wouldn't be the defendant, but they'd be a witness that eventually turns out to be sympathetic. The closest we've come to a sympathetic murderer is 2-3.
Ah I see...apologies I must have misread somewhere....
I still think my idea might be good for a REAL dark turn in AA.
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A case where Phoenix (well it couldn't be Phoenix cause he'd just pull the Magatama trick and know the truth) but say Apollo...followed Wright's philosophy of believing in his client to the bitter end and then his client despite seeming good and kind and hard done by, did turn out to have done it then it would shake him to the core. He'd know that sometimes belief isn't enough, sometimes you CAN be wrong. Considering how he's already had that philosophy shaken before in 5-5 then that might just break him entirely, done wrong by two mentors. It might give him reason to don the badass coat and split from Wright co. again.
You're making Apollo out to be weaker than he actually is. He was pretty shaken up by Clay's death, even if he tried suppressing his feelings, but he had the right mindset to go about the investigation. Phoenix understood the situation even better than he did, so he let him go on his own for a while.
The main difference between a case like this and 2-4 is that the latter forced the attorney to take the case. No one would blame Apollo for being mistaken, and they won't let him whine about it either. Heck, an attorney is free to drop a case at any time, even if the court has to get another attorney on the case.
Now, if Apollo felt some sort of responsibility toward defending this murderer - whether he's forced onto the case because he's been blackmailed somehow, or whether he knows who this murderer is - then it'd make more sense for him to crack just a bit under pressure.
And then, cue Phoenix Wright flying in with a badass long cape and awesome shades. "Apollo, if you don't believe in yourself, then at least believe in me who believes in you."
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Dual Destinies - Was great, don't get me wrong, but everything seemed a bit "happy go lucky?"
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I guess the original game's humor was more "dark"? I preferred the constant hair-names against Phoenix, and the conflict between Oldbag and Edgeworth more than Orla's fweet-fweeting.
I would love the prosecutor to not have some "gimmick" like Blackquil or Franzy, just a regular dude/dudette.
That doesn't mean they have to be boring - Just more 'serious' with their approach to things.
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Dual Destinies seemed a bit cheesy to me - The original series balanced humour with seriousness.
Dual Destinies - Was great, don't get me wrong, but everything seemed a bit "happy go lucky?"
I guess the original game's humor was more "dark"? I preferred the constant hair-names against Phoenix, and the conflict between Oldbag and Edgeworth more than Orla's fweet-fweeting.
I would love the prosecutor to not have some "gimmick" like Blackquil or Franzy, just a regular dude/dudette.
That doesn't mean they have to be boring - Just more 'serious' with their approach to things.
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Dual Destinies - Was great, don't get me wrong, but everything seemed a bit "happy go lucky?"
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I guess the original game's humor was more "dark"? I preferred the constant hair-names against Phoenix, and the conflict between Oldbag and Edgeworth more than Orla's fweet-fweeting.
I would love the prosecutor to not have some "gimmick" like Blackquil or Franzy, just a regular dude/dudette.
That doesn't mean they have to be boring - Just more 'serious' with their approach to things.
Spoiler: 4-4
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I concur, Kristoph made an excellent job mocking Wright in 4-1 in a dark way, more cynical and self-centered, as if he was more focused on ridiculing Wright in front of everyone instead of proving his point.
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Scent wrote:
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Dual Destinies seemed a bit cheesy to me - The original series balanced humour with seriousness.
Dual Destinies - Was great, don't get me wrong, but everything seemed a bit "happy go lucky?"
I guess the original game's humor was more "dark"? I preferred the constant hair-names against Phoenix, and the conflict between Oldbag and Edgeworth more than Orla's fweet-fweeting.
I would love the prosecutor to not have some "gimmick" like Blackquil or Franzy, just a regular dude/dudette.
That doesn't mean they have to be boring - Just more 'serious' with their approach to things.
Shoot me.
Dual Destinies - Was great, don't get me wrong, but everything seemed a bit "happy go lucky?"
Spoiler: DD3
I guess the original game's humor was more "dark"? I preferred the constant hair-names against Phoenix, and the conflict between Oldbag and Edgeworth more than Orla's fweet-fweeting.
I would love the prosecutor to not have some "gimmick" like Blackquil or Franzy, just a regular dude/dudette.
That doesn't mean they have to be boring - Just more 'serious' with their approach to things.
Spoiler: 4-4
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I concur, Kristoph made an excellent job mocking Wright in 4-1 in a dark way, more cynical and self-centered, as if he was more focused on ridiculing Wright in front of everyone instead of proving his point.
I don't see how we can have a prosecutor without a gimmick and have them remain interesting. That's why I never really liked Edgeworth, he just seems too generic to me, just the standard "cold, stoic rival who eventually warms up to the protagonist" character type. Gimmicks are what give the characters their personality, they have to be quirky in order to not be just a generic character that we've already seen a million times. I don't hate edgeworth, I just find him to be generic.
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At the very least, as long as Edgeworth and Blackquill are around, the games will remain dark and edgy, regardless of how much more Phoenix gets things right.
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Phoenix quite often is pretty arrogant and, in his beliefs of what his right, forgets to look at things from the other side of the courtroom, which is why he'd think of him as of another corrupt prosecutor. I personally like to think that this prosecutor would be someone wanting to stop Wright & Co. but in his own ideals, it would be for a greater good. And he would have a reason. The controversial actions of the protagonists he would view as manipulations - after all, calling people liars and accusing them as culprits based on their supposed emotions and nervous ticks is pretty extraordinary. And what's worse, he is sure these tactics would have worked all too well, as the defense would be able to manipulate jurors to render a Not Guilty verdict for any defendant, with these distracted by its unsubstantiated claims. That is why he would feel the need to stop the Jurist System and our agency... Of course, we would not learn about his point of view until the last case. Until then, we would see AA1-2!Edgeworth-like prosecutor who tries to silence us at every moment. Bonus monologue from that character:
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"Do you know who would benefit the most...? Those, who are the most capable of manipulating people."
"...In your world, all is needed is a suggestion. And after that suggestion, you can shape the truth in any way you want."
"That, Mr. Wright, is your concept of justice."
"Your project, Mr. Wright was an idea."
"Idea of the legal system, where no decisive evidence is needed to acquit or convict a defendant."
"Idea, from which neither side would benefit... Or either one could."
"Do you know who would benefit the most...? Those, who are the most capable of manipulating people."
"...In your world, all is needed is a suggestion. And after that suggestion, you can shape the truth in any way you want."
"That, Mr. Wright, is your concept of justice."
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"You defense attorneys are all the same. What kind of justice do you think you're supporting, protecting criminals? This whole "believe in your client" way of thinking is just a way for you to be manipulated. Then again, you wouldn't really care about that, would you? As long as you get your "not guilty" verdict, you're happy, aren't you? I knew your mentor very well, Mr. Justice. He probably taught you all the underhanded tactics that he knew, didn't he?"
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I actually agree that a prosecutor who sees Phoenix and Co. as corrupt would be a great idea, at first Phoenix and Co. would be wondering why this new prosecutor seems to hate them so much, then they find out. Maybe said prosecutor would be a man (or woman) who spent years researching the Wright Anything Agency to find a way to combat it, as he/she thinks of the agency as a corrupt law firm. Maybe the prosecutor could, by extension, show a distrust of all Defense Attorneys, thinking them all to be corrupt. It would mirror the way many people view them in Japan as well as most places. It would also be a nice reversal of Phoenix's ideas in GS2, where he views all prosecutors as corrupt. Maybe the person could have faced Kristoph Gavin in the past, to the point of thinking all defense attorneys are like him.
"You defense attorneys are all the same. What kind of justice do you think you're supporting, protecting criminals? This whole "believe in your client" way of thinking is just a way for you to be manipulated. Then again, you wouldn't really care about that, would you? As long as you get your "not guilty" verdict, you're happy, aren't you? I knew your mentor very well, Mr. Justice. He probably taught you all the underhanded tactics that he knew, didn't he?"
"You defense attorneys are all the same. What kind of justice do you think you're supporting, protecting criminals? This whole "believe in your client" way of thinking is just a way for you to be manipulated. Then again, you wouldn't really care about that, would you? As long as you get your "not guilty" verdict, you're happy, aren't you? I knew your mentor very well, Mr. Justice. He probably taught you all the underhanded tactics that he knew, didn't he?"
It's all well and good until we consider the undecided canon of 2-4. Where Phoenix might have totally pursued truth over a not guilty verdict.
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If have an idea for a case. The victim is a blackmailer, who is murdered by one of the people he's blackmailed. Said person lost everything they had due to the blackmailer, their spouse left them, they lost their house, and all of their property. They couldn't take it any more, so they murdered the blackmailer to make it stop. It would be a good way to make the killer sympathetic, as they lost everything and went insane, which is what caused them to kill the person. Maybe the murderer could be a politician that the blackmailer found out some information about and blackmailed him of every last penny he had to keep him quiet.
It sounds... plausible!
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Why not let the defendant in the first case be declared innocent of murder, maybe even twice, only to be convicted later in the game for a serial murder that doesn't have any relation to the incident in a previous case? GS5 was a missed opportunity for an evil childhood friend. Still, Juni's too sweet to torture. We need a character who acts innocent but is actually a psychopath. I suppose Blackquill and Edgeworth can return as guest prosecutor and cameo, respectively, in the last case. And all that time, the new prosecutor in GS6 was trying to pin down this one guy that keeps avoiding her reach. She's damn pissed at Wright for a good reason, then.
Spoiler: 5-5
Err this sounds a lot like Dahlia.
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Sligneris wrote:
Spoiler: GK2-5
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Heck, he doesn't HAVE to be a serial killer, but he does have to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Unlike other jerks before him, he's meant to be one who one of Nick's group defends at some point. The prosecutor's hatred for him later turns out to be for the right reasons, but before then, she just seems like a needlessly angry person.
This character relation will be great for parallel literary analyses.
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Err this sounds a lot like Dahlia.
But we hated Dahlia shortly after we met her, and Mia suspecting her from the start only made her more suspicious. This guy is supposed to be friendly and maybe a bit of a troublemaker, but he's actually a bad guy at heart. It's like an antithesis to Larry. (Bonus points if he and Larry actually turn out to be friends.)
Admittedly, the idea reminds me more of Fulbright, but he was a detective. Before Blackquill, we already had Klavier lose a detective friend in a case, but since he didn't show up any time before then, we didn't really care (for the most part).
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Sligneris wrote:
Spoiler: GK2-5
Spoiler:
Spoiler: GK2
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Jozerick wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Sligneris wrote:
Spoiler: GK2-5
Spoiler:
Spoiler: GK2
I forgot that on purpose, yep.
My suggestion takes this concept a bit further, though. It's an easy way to develop two new major characters in one fell swoop.
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+ I would really love to see some deeper complexity and longer cases, specifically using all three of our main lawyer's talents. Phoenix can see secrets, Athena can hear emotions, and Apollo can see people's tells when they lie. Combine all three together during Investigation phase and allow the player to switch between them to learn everything they need to know, and get into different places based on each lawyer's knowledge and experience. I think it could make for some very interesting and varied gameplay.
+ I would love to see more of a tie-in between the GS and GK series. My Japanese in incredibly rusty, so I haven't played GK2, but I loved GK1 and would like to see more of a tie-in with the characters and situations in GS.
Spoiler: GS5:5
+ More ridiculous DLC cases. The Orla case was so great. I can understand if they don't want to release such cases in with the main story, but tossing them in as DLC for a few bucks seems to be a good move for them. I'd much rather see this kind of DLC than silly add-on stuff.
Spoiler: GS1:2, GS3:5
I'm sure I've forgotten some of the ideas that I've come up with, but these are the ones that came to mind. It's fun to speculate, in any event!
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