This is a general discussion thread for the ninth episode of the Ace Attorney anime, "Turnabout Goodbyes - 2nd Trial".

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This is barely changed from the game, as far as the trial goes, that is. Phoenix resolved the Gourdy mystery really fast. But it was really good anyway.

I liked it.

The animation quality was poor again but oh well, I've come to expect that.

Thankfully the content of the case made up for it. It's been adapted pretty well for TV anime which makes me happy.

It still contains the nagging issues that I have with the series, but overall the episode was pretty good.

Phoenix and Von Karma surrounded by flames only cut between that and the judge with him shattering the frame was actually the most hysterical thing I've seen this week (though I haven't seen this weeks Mayoiga so that's probably why).

Hope it keeps up this quality

7/10

That Manfred dude makes me sick to my stomach...Calling himself a God of Prosecutors, he's nothing but a show off and a cheater.

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That always bothered me when Edgeworth praised him in that way in 1-4. No, Edgey, it doesn't take a genius to conceal evidence for one's own selfish gain.

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Is it just me or did the judge have "small-hand-itis" again?

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I dunno, but that gavel keeps changing size in his hands...

I'm glad to see this case is getting some better quality pacing than previous cases. Those just flew by so fast (though I feel 1-1 was pretty much as it could be, fit into 22 minutes), and now we're getting some actual character development.

I have to admit, Nick peering over to Edgeworth to check on him at the start, only to be ignored was pretty amusing. Though, I feel Edgeworth could have had just a little bit more emotion... he legitimately looked like he was falling asleep at times.

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Bursted out laughing the first time Manfred snapped, but in the long run maybe they're sticking to the source material too closely? There were times where it really just is the game but fully animated and it can feel a bit like going through the motions at times. And they showed Polly and immediately spoil that it says something about DL-6. Way to kill any suspense.

Overall still good but not great IMO. I always lol at the intro though because it ends so abruptly, it seems like a mistake.

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Did they really need that many bailiffs to bring in Maya? I mean, I guess it worked for dramatic effect, but it seemed kinda unnecessary for a non-violent teenage girl. Vasquez's arrest was a lot more subdued by comparison.

And do you really need to post bail for being in contempt of court? I've always been under the impression that the judge just eventually releases you at a certain point.

I feel like they did that whole "Edgeworth is stoic" thing to really contrast against another event later on where he shows a lot of emotion. (Maybe the anime will have the earthquake happen during court?)

The animation was noticeably bad in this episode. Especially von Karma.

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I liked the Von Karma finger snaps, personally. I was never quite sure that was what he was doing in the game until it was explicitly stated. The first time he did it was rather unnecessary; they showed him doing one snap three times from three different angles. It's a common anime thing I know, but I find... cringy, I guess the word it.
In my view, the investigation into what Gourdy really is was rushed, and Lotta's lie that she was a research student was removed (this made Phoenix question why Lotta had binoculars, and not a telescope.
I think it would have been better if this episode covered the whole trial, the next episode the investigation, and then the final focused on the next trial, in which DL-6 is resolved, and a day is cut out from the game's canon.

Heh, contrast that with Sahwit's arrest, in which at least 10 bailiffs rush a guy who had collapsed at the stand.


It was in the game that Gumshoe said that Edgeworth was grateful for what Maya did, and I forget who said it, but someone said that they saw Edgeworth's lip trembling. Maybe it wasn't in the first trial.

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Negative parts
1.Animation wise, I'm getting over it, really. Either that or I'm getting quite used to it
2. Drawing mistake, however, I couldn't tolerate much. (aka Judge's Miniscule Hand)
But let's ditch the boring stuff.
Positives
1. The humor, and moments in the anime gets better and better, in my opinion at least (Von Karma's increasing viciousness in the beginning, how Mayoi/Maya squeezed out a testimony from Lotta,

, Edgeworth ignoring Nick in the beginning of trial, the air bending (Hey, it's much better than 'auras')
2. Pacing also receives a thumbs up for me. It feels just Wright.
3. Character development, not sure if there's any, but I quite like how Phoenix's past has been gradually implemented throughout the series
Discussion
Actually, I've forgotten most of the game's content since it's been nearly 1 1/2 years when I completed the game, which is my blessing and curse. That way, I enjoy the cases more. I kinda urge all anime watchers to prevent playing the game before watching the anime, the (possibly) lack of certain game content may disappoint certain audience.
Another thing I'm hoping for is for there be a (probably) full episode on Nick's class trial and at least half of episode of DL-6 reminiscence, but that's just me

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I have the same opinion. I think that in the anime it would have the better dramatic effect.
Besides, him being stoic actually makes a lot of sense to me. He doesn't believe that Phoenix can win against von Karma, he knows that the evidence against him is very solid, so he just doesn't hope he can get the "now guilty" verdict. He gave up at the beginning and all he wants now is, how to put this, preserve some dignity?

I know why they took this direction, but I think it'd be even better if they show him slowly cracking under the pressure. They continued to show him for some few flashes throughout the episode, but it was the same face each time. Maybe it's just the lackluster art that doesn't capture his emotions better? I dunno. But while he definitely looked troubled, there's something missing to it.

I dunno about having the earthquake in court. It wouldn't only be Edgeworth who'd be affected, then. The main reason it was most effective as a plot device while they were talking in the detention center was because of location - he was barred off by a window from the only people trying to help him. That's a powerful metaphor.

That said, I can definitely see it working anyway, since it'd better parallel his past trauma, and he could just be escorted out into the lobby to collect himself rather than be left on the floor in a fetal position in court... as amusing as the thought may be.

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Honestly, what bothers me more than the bad animation quality is the inconsistent animation quality. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's just terrible. This episode was one of those terrible ones.
It just makes me wish they had done just a little bit more to make all of it look good, because it shows that they definitely can.


I don't know if you mean this as a bad or a good thing. I'm guessing bad?
I kinda like it. It just wasn't done very well, which made it look a bit cheap, but the idea of it was nice.


Yeah, this case, in terms of content, is doing so many things right. The pacing is good, what they cut out wasn't essential and what they compressed was done well, generally. If only they had kept this up for every single case, but I'm guessing that's a bit much to ask.
Overall, I think they did a good job, in hindsight.


These are the small moments I love. They're quick, they're not exactly lampshaded (but not 100% subtle either) and it's just a visual humor that's lost in a lot of cartoons at least. Nowadays, it seems like every humor has to be crazy and/or over the top for people to notice and like it, and the smaller more subtle stuff gets ignored.


I can see that, and I am actually somewhat thankful that the other cases did things differently. It sets the anime apart from the games, making it worthwhile on its own instead of being a watered down version from the games.
That said, before the first episode aired, I said I wanted to see the story from the games, but animated. And I am also glad that's basically what we're getting with this case. As long as not every episode will be like this, and they switch it up plenty, I think they'll find a good middle road.


I can understand why they did this, but I wish they didn't. For people who are not familiar with the story, this is a pretty big cliffhanger. Yeah, you can see it as a spoiler, but right now people will be left wondering exactly what the parrot has to do with DL-6, and they'll want to watch the next episode. It's done for dramatic effect so that the episode can end on a proper note.


I think how big the outburst is determines how many bailiffs will appear, instead of how much the person can or will resist. Sahwit was worked up to the point of fainting in a huge outburst, so that gets many bailiffs. Maya was in contempt of court, so she gets several. Dee Vasquez actually went down quietly, so she only gets 2 (I think?).


That's exactly how I interpreted it. It wasn't done amazingly well, but I think it was clear enough and showed what kind of person Edgeworth is in the anime. He isn't stoic. He's just gracefully resigned to his fate. (Or what he thinks is his fate, anyway.)

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Well, he didn't have to show an expression, because him bailing out Maya shows exactly what he was feeling.

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I rather like how they ended the episode. First they have the basic "we are going to meet someone we haven't seen before, see the next episode for how it turns out!" setup. And then they have a little teaser like that. Keep in mind that the parrot mentioned DL-6 right at the end of the next scene, so it's no big deal to do this tease.

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This is the worst use of bailiffs in any court ever, and I'm convinced this is how it's done anyway.

I await next ep. Polly is going to be a star.

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The bad animation quality is probably something that can't be prevented.

Studios in Japan often have trouble keeping things on schedule or just having a good schedule to begin with. Studios like Shaft are pretty infamous for this, often having their episodes unfinished when they go to air, only to have them fixed in Blu ray releases.

A-1 Pictures is a animation studio that produces anime almost entirely through outsourcing and freelance work, which is pretty much inevitable in Japan's current economy. A-1 Pictures on top of that produce consistently at the very least two shows every anime season. This season they're producing 2 TV series and a OVA. Which isn't that bad considering last year they were producing 6 shows at once, but even then they run into some major problems. Since there aren't enough animators to go around every show, which is understandable when you consider the fact that there are around 40 anime every season.

Last anime season A-1 Pictures produced a show called Hai to Gensou no Grimgar, a show which basically has no relation to the Ace Attorney anime other than how it was produced by A-1. It also had serious production issues, resulting in one episode having over 20 animation directors to clean up the mess as much as possible, and the final episode literally being aired unfinished, featuring cuts that have no inbetweens. All of this is being fixed for the home releases, of course.

What truly matters in the anime industry is episodes getting to air, no matter what. It's a sacrifice that some shows must take, whether the issues stem from bad scheduling, staff not being talented enough, etc.

A reason for some episodes looking better is simply because the staff of said episode are not only more talented, but quicker, being able to put out higher quality work under the terrible scheduling. Episode 8's really well animated scene (https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/23176/ace_attorney-animated-character_acting-hair-kyoush) only existed because the animator (predicted to be the rather new animator, Kyoushirou Ezawa) was simply talented and quick enough to put this work out (even then, I wouldn argue that it's not their best work).

A great way to learn more about the in's and out's of the anime industry and how it works is through the anime series Shirobako, which is literally a anime about making anime, and I highly, highly recommend it.

Also I found that frame smashing scene to be hilarious in a so bad it's good way. It's just so cheesy.

lol @ Lotta smacking Larry with the paper.

I think this one went a bit more smoothly, though when Nick figured out the air tank thing, it felt like there was no build up to it. Either that or Larry mentioned the "bang" sound last episode and I didn't catch it...

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Is it me or does Maya sound more polite in the Japanese version.

Maya Fey's Sub: Lotta Hart, your testimony stinks!
Mayoi Ayasato Speaking: Ms Hart, your testimony is strange. (Natsumi-san anata no shougen okashii desu.)

She seems to speak in a more polite tone here. Is it me or is there a difference in characterisation with Mayoi to Maya at times?

In this particular instance, she is quite in tune with her original lines in the game. Generally speaking, though, there is a subtle but still noticeable difference. A great deal of it has to do with how Japanese works regarding social status.

Usually, one's friend's friends are not as close as one's friends, so they must be treated with the usual courtesy. This applies to how Mayoi addresses Mitsurugi, Itonoko, and even Yahari. However, to Naruhodo-kun, it's a completely different story (and one that is quite heartwarming). Ever since he saved her, she's come to treat him like her own brother and takes on her bratty personality as she sees fit because he's basically like her family. She's also pretty casual with Hami-chan (Pearly), for obvious reasons.

However, I personally feel the anime has taken a step back and portrayed Mayoi as a bit more polite and sensitive, even with Naruhodo-kun, than she originally had been. I figure it must have been intentional, especially with Takumi working with them weekly. Imo, I prefer bratty Mayoi more, but I suppose it's not for everyone - especially as a weekend evening anime directed for kids.

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