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Could we please extend this to include stuff we like about characters we hate?

Don't see why not. But someone else will have to change the topic's title. Not that I couldn't do it, just not with a limited space.
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I hate how moody and emo Edgeworth can be.


Indeed.

:pencileraser: I would've loved to see more of him.

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Would've loved to see Elise reunited with Mia and Maya


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:cough: STOP SNEEZING.
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what i don't like about ron kristoph matt dahlia vera and trucy eh? (eh, they're my favourite characters..)

ron- i don't really picture him being very rich or something at all.. :yuusaku:
kristoph- his glasses? no, i totally like him, :garyuu: just one thing,
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why vera?? why her? (okay, i know but still..) oh, and his weird psyche-lock..

dahlia-
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ehm.. .. her dying

vera - i really like it that she draws alot, and doesn't smile and stuff,
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if i have to say something, i would go for forging evidence..

matt -
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ehmm.. i don't now.. but i tought about his bottle, where did he hide that..? maybe that''s something what kinda annoyed me, that question..

trucy -
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that she's apollos sister..

that was it :minuki:
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I love the Gavin brothers but I don't like how Kristoph's reasoning for making Phoenix lose his badge and I don't like Klavier's lack of character development.

I'd say the same for Apollo but he seems to have more character development compared to Klavier.

And I don't like how Phoenix can be a whiny b!tch sometimes.

Yeah that's all I can think of right now.
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:edgeworth: That the fandom has labeled him an emo. Seriously, can't a guy angst without being labeled an emo anymore?
:eh?: By the time Investigations came out, he was flanderized from somewhat incompetent to fully incompetent.
:minuki: She could have just told Apollo about the perceive thing without making Mr. Hat look like a knife nut.
:shoe: He can't speak.
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:edgeworth: and :phoenix:
Only thing that bothers me about those two is that their sprites never got updated for the games.
Starts to look really ugly when GS3 rolled around.

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I think the sprites look fine. Maybe that's just me, but I love the graphical style that the 16/32 bit games, and I love the way Phoenix and Edgeworth look. It's probably just me, I mean, I hate the HD iOS sprites personally, but whatever.
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I think the sprites look fine. Maybe that's just me, but I love the graphical style that the 16/32 bit games, and I love the way Phoenix and Edgeworth look. It's probably just me, I mean, I hate the HD iOS sprites personally, but whatever.


I was mostly referring to how they looked, compared to the ones that were made for the later games. There is no good depth in the colors when you compare it to, for example, GS3 sprites where the clothes had about 3 or 4 shades of their color darken for shadows. With the GS1, it was the base color and then one or maybe two shades darker to indicate shadows. (Oh my God, I'm starting to sound like Mark Crilley)
It just shows that, yes, the graphics became better with the games, but it also makes the quality suffer if they don't update it.

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I think I'm just crazy. My favorite game graphically is A Link to the Past, soooooo, when I talk graphics, you should take my words with a grain of salt.
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I think I'm just crazy. My favorite game graphically is A Link to the Past, soooooo, when I talk graphics, you should take my words with a grain of salt.


I can still see the appeal of 2D-Games, heck I love playing the original Harvest Moon. I don't mind the advancement of the graphics, I just wish they had updated Phoenix and Edgeworth and Gumshoe and even Maya. I almost wanna say Pearl, too, but that might be cause I thnk her forehead is freakishly large compared to her body.

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It really annoys me that Edgeworth cuts Gumshoe's salary all the time when he knows the guy lives off of noodles. Considering everything that Gumshoe does for Edgeworth he could at least give him that much. You know that Edgeworth appreciates him somewhat too since there are a few moments that he shows it. (Such as when he yells 'whooooooooooop! Detective Gumshoe!' at the end of game 1 at new years or when he buys Gumshoe pasta.)

And Gumshoe... His competence starts out as pretty average in the first game. Sure, he gets the killer wrong (Except in 1-4 when he knows it's not Edgeworth), but that's due to ridiculous set ups and planning on the killer's part. Then after each game he slowly gets dumber and dumber, mostly for the sake of convenience. I mean seriously game. Gumshoe had to be at least somewhat competent to get the position of detective. I know that they wanted to make all the lawyers look smart, but seriously.
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Before I played case 3-3...I thought Viola was going to be the defendent. And I thought it would be cool for Maggey to not be a defendent for once because we would get to see her develop more.

I like Gumshoe and Maggey's relationship and all but looking back Maggey sort of seems like a plot device to flesh out Detective Gumshoe.
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:godot: to Franziska: "I can't stand women like you." It feels significant how he used the word women instead of people. And of course his sexism in general, andthose rather... stupid actions of his, to say the least.

:edgeworth: about Adrian (paraphrased): "Of course a young beauty like her would be shocked!" Say... what? Unnecessary and out of character. And him being mean to Gumshoe. And worst of all: when (2-4)
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:phoenix: "(Blushing only suits women, not the elderly...)" Say... what? Unnecessary and out of character. And him being mean to Gumshow. And worst of all: how he (2-4)
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treated Edgeworth when he came back, saying how he wished he never wanted to see him again and so on, and how he didn't even want to mention his name earlier in the game. Poor Maya must have been so worried. And how he talked to Pearl about all prosecutors being evil, (okay, he didn't excactly say it like that, but almost). And he just assumed it was because of his wounded pride that he disappeared, even though everyone could see he didn't feel well. And he seemed so pissed a long time after, even after Edgeworth was extremely helpful with the case. Okay, you're confused and angry and feel betrayed, but come on. To that degree it was kind of unjustified. AND. "To think your motivation for prosecuting trials was so selfish... It'd been better for everyone if you never came back from the dead, Edgeworth!" Well, screw you, Phoenix.

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:godot: to Franziska: "I can't stand women like you." It feels significant how he used the word women instead of people. And of course his sexism in general, andthose rather... stupid actions of his, to say the least.

:edgeworth: about Adrian (paraphrased): "Of course a young beauty like her would be shocked!" Say... what? Unnecessary and out of character. And him being mean to Gumshoe. And worst of all: when (2-4)
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he said to Adrian that if she was to kill herself after her secret being exposed in court, that wouldn't be his concern.


:phoenix: "(Blushing only suits women, not the elderly...)" Say... what? Unnecessary and out of character. And him being mean to Gumshow. And worst of all: how he (2-4)
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treated Edgeworth when he came back, saying how he wished he never wanted to see him again and so on, and how he didn't even want to mention his name earlier in the game. Poor Maya must have been so worried. And how he talked to Pearl about all prosecutors being evil, (okay, he didn't excactly say it like that, but almost). And he just assumed it was because of his wounded pride that he disappeared, even though everyone could see he didn't feel well. And he seemed so pissed a long time after, even after Edgeworth was extremely helpful with the case. Okay, you're confused and angry and feel betrayed, but come on. To that degree it was kind of unjustified. AND. "To think your motivation for prosecuting trials was so selfish... It'd been better for everyone if you never came back from the dead, Edgeworth!" Well, screw you, Phoenix.


I agree about everything, this is really uncoolness in its fullest.
And one should never be mean to Gumshow. :sadshoe:
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And of course :edgeworth: 's whole (2-4 again)
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"chooses death" business. It was incredibly charming that the only one he seemed to keep in touch with during that time was Gumshoe, but nevertheless; screw you too, Edgeworth. Yeah, I said it. :ron:

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GoingforMiles wrote:
:edgeworth: about Adrian (paraphrased): "Of course a young beauty like her would be shocked!" Say... what? Unnecessary and out of character. And him being mean to Gumshoe. And worst of all: when (2-4)
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he said to Adrian that if she was to kill herself after her secret being exposed in court, that wouldn't be his concern.


To be quite honest, I felt that was pretty cool of him. Granted, legally he was treading on incredibly thin ice since he isn't allowed to disclose medical information on a witness. But at that point, Adrian was a potential suspect, so I guess any medical information that could be relevant to her mental state or potential motive.

:phoenix: - His incredible gullibility and his entire trusting nature. No, being gullible and trusting towards people is not cute or a nice personality trait, it's just plain stupid. Especially in his profession, where anyone can and most likely will lie.
Also his Hero-Complex. It's nice that he wants to help people in trouble, but just because he was in a tight spot as a child and uses that as a way to justify his actions is silly. That happened when he was a child. Let it go already. You don't need a Hero-Complex to become a lawyer or do a good, or even mediocre, job at it.

I was gonna put up :edgeworth: 's dark, brooding self whenever DL-6 is mentioned... but then I remembered that he isn't the one that keeps bringing it up post-1-4. So I'm not gonna count it.

:franny: - The overuse of the word "fool". Think up a new insult.

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:mia-maya: - Jesus Christ, stop stating the same fucking things over and over again. "Think outside of the box...", "always trust your client", "a lawyer is someone who smiles no matter how bad things get...", ok, we get it!

(Not my favorite, but I do like her 70% of the time...)
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:mia-maya: - Jesus Christ, stop stating the same fucking things over and over again. "Think outside of the box...", "always trust your client", "a lawyer is someone who smiles no matter how bad things get...", ok, we get it!

(Not my favorite, but I do like her 70% of the time...)


Haha, YES.
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:franny: - The overuse of the word "fool". Think up a new insult.
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Yes, merde! As much as I love, love, love Franziska, that got old really fast.
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Apollo being a fictional character.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Apollo being a fictional character.


Franziska being a fictional character.
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WaitingforGodot wrote:
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Apollo being a fictional character.


Franziska being a fictional character.


Bobby being a fictional character.

And I really hate that he wears shoes without socks.
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And I really hate that he wears shoes without socks.


<3
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Pearl - That's really sweet but can you not shove your ships down my throat? :yogi:
Matt - Ex-lover of Celeste and rivals with Juan aside, I would have liked it if they explored his character more.
Iris and Dahlia - Even without the other, I wished these two could stand independently. DD: One was a saint and the other had no redeemable qualities at all.
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:edgeworth: That the fandom has labeled him an emo. Seriously, can't a guy angst without being labeled an emo anymore?
:eh?: By the time Investigations came out, he was flanderized from somewhat incompetent to fully incompetent.

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:eh?: By the time Investigations came out, he was flanderized from somewhat incompetent to fully incompetent.


I don't know, I think around GS3, he was already labelled as really incompetent.

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The sad thing is that even though everyone in the game say he is, he isn't incompetent. :sadshoe: He may be a little hot headed, and he's not the smartest guy around, but he does his job and he does it fairly well given how ambitious he is. How many times has he saved the day again? And how many times has he actually been acknowledged for it by the other characters? And on that note, I'm not off-topic because that's something I don't like about a lot of characters. The same goes for Larry - even though he often screws things up and appears on places where he shouldn't be, he has saved the day a lot of times as well, sometimes because of his stupidity. And all he is known as is an irritating idiot.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Louise wrote:
And I really hate that he wears shoes without socks.


<3


Socks are terrible anyway!
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The same goes for Larry - even though he often screws things up and appears on places where he shouldn't be, he has saved the day a lot of times as well, sometimes because of his stupidity. And all he is known as is an irritating idiot.


Just because somebody saved the day does not mean they can't annoy the everliving crap out of somebody.

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CatMuto wrote:
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The same goes for Larry - even though he often screws things up and appears on places where he shouldn't be, he has saved the day a lot of times as well, sometimes because of his stupidity. And all he is known as is an irritating idiot.


Just because somebody saved the day does not mean they can't annoy the everliving crap out of somebody.

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Of course! As I see it, though, they somewhat fail to acknowledge his good sides, reducing him to merely a blabbering fool and nothing else.
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Of course! As I see it, though, they somewhat fail to acknowledge his good sides, reducing him to merely a blabbering fool and nothing else.


Happens to every character, they are making them flatter.
Remember when Phoenix was just a bit of a bumbling fool, but had justice in mind? Well he's turned into a gullible idiot JFA onwards. Maya could be serious at times, but that disappeared until pretty much 3-5. Gumshoe was a bit incompetent and had his salary cut - one or two games later, he's made into an incompetent moron who can barely afford Insta-Ramen.

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CatMuto wrote:
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The same goes for Larry - even though he often screws things up and appears on places where he shouldn't be, he has saved the day a lot of times as well, sometimes because of his stupidity. And all he is known as is an irritating idiot.


Just because somebody saved the day does not mean they can't annoy the everliving crap out of somebody.

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My point was that they're just seen as worthless idiots who don't do any good. The term worthless has been used about them both on several occasions by Phoenix and Edgeworth, and that is definitely not true.
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I didn't like how Simon, Apollo and the judge reacted to (5-3)
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I didn't like how Simon, Apollo and the judge reacted to (5-3)
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TOTALLY agree with that. I thought it was kind of funny in the moment, but then it was kinda sad.

Also, Edgeworth needs to stop cutting poor Gumshoe's pay, while he goes around driving his fancy sportscar. :edgeworth:
I also never liked when Apollo did this :think-think-think: it just seemed so childish and silly compared to Phoenix's :think-pw:

And could Phoenix please worry a little more about his daughter???
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Okay, he was pretty worried when she got kidnapped, but he left his sixteen year old daughter to roam a crime scene that was bombed just days before! He seems so lackadaisical when it comes to her safety...or maybe it was because I was a sheltered child...

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I like Gumshoe. He is stupid but can be serious sometimes depending on the subject of the conversation. As for Larry... I don't think he's funny, seriously. If he is supposed to be funny, I just don't see what is so fun about him - but he is a pain in the ass.

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I also never liked when Apollo did this :think-think-think: it just seemed so childish and silly compared to Phoenix's :think-pw:


Eh but Apollo is somewhat juvenile, is one of his character traits.
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I also never liked when Apollo did this :think-think-think: it just seemed so childish and silly compared to Phoenix's :think-pw:


Eh but Apollo is somewhat juvenile, is one of his character traits.


Yeah, that's true, but this just looked far too childish for a 23 year old to be doing. I think his other expression display that slight childishness a bit...more appropriately I guess? than this one.
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:godot: to Franziska: "I can't stand women like you." It feels significant how he used the word women instead of people. And of course his sexism in general, andthose rather... stupid actions of his, to say the least.


If you don't like Godot's personality and you find his actions stupid, what do you like about him?
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Sexism isn't all his personality is. Godot has his moments and he's got some funny lines. He is one of the characters I "can't help but like" so to speak. I also find him interesting as a character, the same way I like... say von Karma as a character but not as a person. I think there's more to him (Godot) than some people give him credit for.
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i hate :dahlia:
i don't hate all villain character,but she's really cruel..maybe she's a psychopath >_<"
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i hate :dahlia:
i don't hate all villain character,but she's really cruel..maybe she's a psychopath >_<"


Looking at the "Hare psycopathy checklist", she certainly fits a lot of the criterias:

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Facet 1: Interpersonal
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Conning/manipulative
Facet 2: Affective
Lack of remorse or guilt
Emotionally shallow
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Facet 3: Lifestyle
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Facet 4: Antisocial
Poor behavioral controls
Early behavioral problems
Juvenile delinquency
Revocation of conditional release
Criminal versatility
Many short-term marital relationships
Promiscuous sexual behavior

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