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Veritas wrote:

Reiji...!!! He looks wonderful! You draw him so well! <3 :sparkly-maggey:


You guysss! AAI is finally out...!

Spoiler: Small AAI spoiler? Just being careful!
Can't wait 'til I get my hands on my copy 'cause I am sooo excited for that one tiny, tiny scene where we get to see Nick in little sprite form with Maya and Pearl. XDDD


Thanks. ^^ <3

Spoiler: About the previous spoiler:
HA! That's what I'm looking forward to all too much too. A game about Edgeworth and I went all "WOW NICK'S ON THE BACKGROUND AT ONE POINT!" when I saw the pic. :'DDDD Shouldn't I be getting all fangirly for Miles by now? XD

I just want to know if I can 'examine' them. Wonder what Edgeworth would say about the three...

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Reiji wrote:
Spoiler: About the previous spoiler:
HA! That's what I'm looking forward to all too much too. A game about Edgeworth and I went all "WOW NICK'S ON THE BACKGROUND AT ONE POINT!" when I saw the pic. :'DDDD Shouldn't I be getting all fangirly for Miles by now? XD

I just want to know if I can 'examine' them. Wonder what Edgeworth would say about the three...


Spoiler: Spoiler safety! 8D
It's good to fangirl over both of them! :butzthumbs:

I'm just glad they decided to put Nick in at all...! As much as I love Edgeworth, not having a single mention of Phoenix is kinda sad. ^_^;; But Edgeworth already indirectly spoke of Nick in the first case so yeah... XD ("He's rubbing off on me." Pffft, Edgeworthhh. <3) Hehe, I'm very happy to hear about Phoenix even if it's just a little!

Oh, I have this bad feeling that we can't examine them since Edgeworth can't walk on water. :c

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Veritas wrote:
Spoiler: Spoiler safety! 8D
It's good to fangirl over both of them! :butzthumbs:

I'm just glad they decided to put Nick in at all...! As much as I love Edgeworth, not having a single mention of Phoenix is kinda sad. ^_^;; But Edgeworth already indirectly spoke of Nick in the first case so yeah... XD ("He's rubbing off on me." Pffft, Edgeworthhh. <3) Hehe, I'm very happy to hear about Phoenix even if it's just a little!

Oh, I have this bad feeling that we can't examine them since Edgeworth can't walk on water. :c


Spoiler: Oh yes, more spoilery goodness. And gay.
Yes, I can only hope he keeps making comments like that. The next one should be something like; "Damn that man... He's always such a pain in my butt-hole (literally)." *cough* SO... Darn, I forgot you have to stand in front of the thing to examine it... Edgeworth propably needs glasses. Maybe he just can't see that far away. I still want to see Nick in a boat so bad. Who cares if it's just randomly on the background?! XD

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Veritas wrote:
You guysss! AAI is finally out...!

Spoiler: Small AAI spoiler? Just being careful!
Can't wait 'til I get my hands on my copy 'cause I am sooo excited for that one tiny, tiny scene where we get to see Nick in little sprite form with Maya and Pearl. XDDD



That's the part I'm looking forward to most too..... :oops:
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Me, too. *tries to play faster*
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I can't tell who's hotter: Phoenix or Edgeworth.
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I'm a sucker for woobies, but I dunno why I still choose Nick over Miles. They're pretty close in my book. :grey:
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That's the part I'm looking forward to most too..... :oops:


I also have to second (fourth?) this. I like Edgeworth as much as...well, everyone else, but I MISS PHOENIX TOO MUCH.
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Me, too. *tries to play faster*

Spoiler: Spotted Phoenix!
He's in The Kidnapped Turnabout, and I found him totally by accident. I was supposed to investigate the kidnappers' hideout, I think, but I'm the type who strays around from the primary agenda and I found myself at the gate. Yup; I was so happy to see Nick, Maya and Pearl on the boat by the bridge. Too bad Edgey didn't notice them and made a remark about the bridge instead... :sadshoe:

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Spoiler: Final Case
One thing I really loved about AAI:ME was in the end, when Edgeworth had no way to prove the killer had commited the crime, but he thought "What would he do at a time like this... That's right... he'd turn things around!"

Nice to see even Phoenix helped him in a way to save the day. :gant-clap:

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Reiji wrote:
Spoiler: Oh yes, more spoilery goodness. And gay.
Yes, I can only hope he keeps making comments like that. The next one should be something like; "Damn that man... He's always such a pain in my butt-hole (literally)." *cough* SO... Darn, I forgot you have to stand in front of the thing to examine it... Edgeworth propably needs glasses. Maybe he just can't see that far away. I still want to see Nick in a boat so bad. Who cares if it's just randomly on the background?! XD


Spoiler: More spoilers and more gay. XD
LOL! If Edgeworth makes a comment even remotely similar to that, I'll be forced to think that Capcom is plotting something...! XDDD Well, Edgeworth looks good in glasses so it's OK if he needs them! And that's sooo true! Even if we can't talk to Nick or whatever, seeing him in the background is good enough for me!


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I can't tell who's hotter: Phoenix or Edgeworth.


I feel like deciding on such a thing is near impossible...! OTL

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Spoiler: Final Case
One thing I really loved about AAI:ME was in the end, when Edgeworth had no way to prove the killer had commited the crime, but he thought "What would he do at a time like this... That's right... he'd turn things around!"

Nice to see even Phoenix helped him in a way to save the day. :gant-clap:


Spoiler: Spoiler tag for safety.
I had no idea that Nick could inspire Edgeworth during such a tight situation! How moving...! :pearl-blush:


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I say it's time we bumped this topic for great justice.

Hmm... now what topic to discuss... >> Ah, I know.

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What are your guys' thoughts on the way he used that bloody ace in Turnabout Trump?

Phoenix seems to get a lot of hatred for what he did in that case, some people even going so far as to call him a villain or just plain evil. Some fans even go so far as to compare him to Damon Gant of all people. I recall one person saying he's gonna end up becoming the next Calisto Yew. Frankly it sickens me people have gained such a negative view of him for this, even going so far as to say he doesn't have any right to be a lawyer anymore because of it.

Yes what he did wasn't right, and he never said what he did was right. It was just something that had to be done. If he hadn't used that card, either he or an innocent woman would had been put away for a crime neither committed and a cold-blooded killer would go scott-free. I think it's unfair that those people "trap" Phoenix in this way, giving him no clean way out of a life or death situation. And what exactly are they trying to tell us, that he should just let innocent people be found guilty of crimes they didn't commit cause he's letting that card weigh him down too much to help them?


So what do you guys think on this matter?
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Oh, here's a little preview of the first chapter in my fan fic, thought you guys might get a chuckle out of it. :gant:

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“Niiiiiiick!” shouted a feminine voice. Phoenix and Apollo turned to see a young woman, about the age of 20, running down the hall dressed in a purple robe and sporting a black topknot hairdo. She was known as Maya Fey, Phoenix’s legal assistant, a somewhat experienced spirit medium, and soon-to-be inheritor to her family’s estate.

“There you are, I’ve been looking everywhere for you!” Maya said gasping for breath. “You were just gonna leave me at the cafeteria weren’t you?!” she exclaimed, puffing out her cheeks.

“Hey, you were the only one who was hungry!” Phoenix said in protest.

“Oh, Polly!” Maya said, ignoring Phoenix’s remark and looking to his client instead. “Good morning! How are you this morning?”

“Ah, Ms. Fey!” Apollo said, “I’m just fIIIIIIIIIIINEEE!” he suddenly shrieked, his chords of steel kicking in again.

“Owww! Stop it damnit!” Phoenix exclaimed.

”Gah!! That’s it! I’m going to do something about that!” Maya said angrily. She examined Apollo over before grabbing his two hair locks, and starting moving them around.

“H-HEY! What are you doING?!” Apollo exclaimed, “It took me all morning to get MY hair like this!”

“I’m trying to adjust these and see if it’ll lower your volume!” Maya said, cringing from his latest outburst.

Apollo just whimpered.


Spoiler:
“By the way…” the judge asked, “What is the murder weapon exactly?”

“Ah, it was this wine bottle.” Payne said, holding up a large evidence baggie with a wine bottle inside. “It’s a Smithston 1943 brand. The victim enjoyed drinking you see.”

“1943… Hm, good year.” The judge said in deep thought.

‘I guess even the judge likes to hit the sauce once in a while.’ Phoenix thought.


How's the fanfic coming? :franny: I read the excerpt again, it's hilarious...

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I say it's time we bumped this topic for great justice.

Hmm... now what topic to discuss... >> Ah, I know.

Spoiler:
What are your guys' thoughts on the way he used that bloody ace in Turnabout Trump?

Phoenix seems to get a lot of hatred for what he did in that case, some people even going so far as to call him a villain or just plain evil. Some fans even go so far as to compare him to Damon Gant of all people. I recall one person saying he's gonna end up becoming the next Calisto Yew. Frankly it sickens me people have gained such a negative view of him for this, even going so far as to say he doesn't have any right to be a lawyer anymore because of it.

Yes what he did wasn't right, and he never said what he did was right. It was just something that had to be done. If he hadn't used that card, either he or an innocent woman would had been put away for a crime neither committed and a cold-blooded killer would go scott-free. I think it's unfair that those people "trap" Phoenix in this way, giving him no clean way out of a life or death situation. And what exactly are they trying to tell us, that he should just let innocent people be found guilty of crimes they didn't commit cause he's letting that card weigh him down too much to help them?


So what do you guys think on this matter?

Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4 etc etc
I think rigging the jurist trial was far worse, and it's a lot more reasonable to suggest this should bar him from working on juries in future since he has no respect for them, than the 'absolved right to be a lawyer' argument.

Phoenix is a victim of metaphor ['ace up your sleeve'] and writing [they were trying to shock the player by portraying him in a negative light, in contrast to being in his head in past games, to force the player to 'play jurist' on Phoenix Wright -*gasp* maybe he did forge evidence '7 years ago'?.] And the writers put him in an unwinnable situation, just like they did in the 'flashback trial'.

Also some people just don't want him to be a lawyer any more, and they need reasoning to justify it :nick-sweat:

We know that the card isn't an exact replication of the diary page incident - but it's pretty obvious it was inserted as a direct symbolic parallel, which is 'why' Phoenix did it, in terms of writing.

Oh, I'll just copy-paste some of my old posts:
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Besides, Phoenix didn't give him the evidence directly. If Apollo, too, is dumb enough to take random 'evidence' from a strange girl he's never met, and then present it in court (Phoenix's real 'crime') then I suppose jaded Phoenix reasons Apollo should fend for himself. It wouldn't have ended as badly as the Zak thing, since Phoenix claims the card as his upon presentation (so would have taken responsibility) but it's lacking integrity from an 'Apollo's Mentor' perspective.

Now, this kind of Apollo abuse actually gives me the opposite impression . It doesn't mark Phoenix as someone 'fallen' from ever being a lawyer - but as someone who only played a terrible role as 'mentor' to Apollo. Phoenix was a spectacularly bad 'mentor', who exploited Apollo in all kinds of unethical ways. Having him hang around in any kind of non-lawyer 'mentor' capacity to Apollo, even in a reduced format, is a terrible idea as 'Apollo's Mentor' is the role Phoenix has proven himself as too corrupted and lacking integrity to ever hold again, not 'Lawyer.' And I can't see Phoenix ever playing a positive mentor role unless he's also a lawyer, there'd be too many regrets and 'living through Apollo' clouding his judgment. (We all know Mia was living on through Phoenix. - but she really was dead.)


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If Phoenix himself had thought his 'sacrificed integrity' to catch Kristoph also sacrificed his intentions to be a lawyer again, he just wouldn't have ever made that comment in the credits 'Maybe I'll take the Bar Exam.. again".

As for 'facing consequences' well, he did. He told Apollo, Apollo punched him, and that was that. If the justice system had caught on, it's Phoenix who would have suffered anyway - he's the one who would have been charged with murder. Besides, unlike Zak, he claimed the card as his when it was presented. Phoenix wasn't a lawyer, and there's nothing to say he believed in any 'client-lawyer relationship' from the client end which he was somehow breaching either. He was a terrible defendant for Mia in 3-1 as well, after all. And on his part, he had some pretty unhelpful clients (Iris and of course Zak spring to mind.) Phoenix's role in that trial was defendant, not lawyer, and there was no requirement to constrain himself to his lawyer ethics or assume he was permanently sacrificing his lawyer integrity.

He's obviously cast as a character who's playing with a system which he considered broken, forced in so they could have some kind of weight behind the 'jurist system' thing (I didn't think this was very effective, and doubt it would have converted me to the wonders of jurist systems had I not already had general acceptance of them due to their being a standard Western law concept)

In fact he plays with and manipulates the 'game' on a higher level/4th wall, which I suppose is the equivalent of Mia's spiritual dimension powers, except since we don't have some reasoning/concept to make this seem plausible, it's just weird and confusing. But if they do implement jurist systems, (that's left ambiguous too) there's even less reason to suspect he'd repeat that kind of behaviour or attitude, since things have changed so it's no longer such a broken system which he's lost respect for.

I suppose Phoenix favouring corrupting himself permanently in pursuit of Kristoph over ever being a lawyer again is a possible take on Hobo Phoenix in peoples' imagination, (not to mention the whole Phoenix/Kristoph thing) but there's not much to suggest it's the main interpretation in the writers' minds or the one they would pursue with his character in future games if they were made. Besides, it's of no use to Apollo to have a jaded hobo mentor for another game. It served its purpose in the story in supposedly trying to convince us the legal system needed reform, and has more than run its course in terms of plot usefulness.


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People forget the connotations of being a defendant, rather than a lawyer or bystander 3rd party. What happens if Phoenix is found guilty? Probably the death penalty. The stakes are just totally different. Would you bend a few rules to save your own life, if the only one who was likely to suffer was the real murderer? Most people would. And letting Kristoph pin the murder on Orly would be far more unethical than the card thing, even if Phoenix himself wasn't 'breaking any rules' by allowing it to occur.

Phoenix's rule breaking, corruption and general disenfranchisement seem to stem from:
-a lack of empowerment to carry out his goals by legal means any more, due to the loss of his badge, which was a total injustice
-a disenfranchisement with the legal system generally, which he now considers broken, to bring up the jury thing (although I'm not sure they did a very good job in conveying this or exactly what was supposed to be wrong with it.)

As you can see, the end of 4-4 'corrects' both these. I don't get the sense Phoenix wants to achieve his goals by breaking rules, forging evidence and exploiting Apollo; he simply feels he has no choice in that situation since the loss of his badge. I also think Phoenix was enough of a rule-bending deviant even by the original series to not think his evidence forgery, taken in proper context, renders him morally unfit to ever be a lawyer again. He shows obvious regret and shame over it (witness punching scene) but I think he'll see it as the best of a number of questionable choices in a very bad situation, and move on. If he can achieve his justice goals without breaking rules (having the empowerment to be a lawyer himself instead of forging evidence and hijacking 'Apollo's' defense) I'm sure he would prefer to do so.

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How's the fanfic coming? :franny: I read the excerpt again, it's hilarious...


Actually at this point I'm putting that fic on hold and working out the details of a different story I like better. The basic plot of "Turnabout Lifestyle" takes place some time after Bridge to the Turnabout, and ignores the events of GS4. Phoenix returns to his apartment after attending the Hazakura Temple training sessions and recuperating from a broken leg only to find he's been evicted for not paying the rent for three months...

Landlord: Let me guess, you took another freebie case, huh Wright?!
Phoenix: (She was a nun, what was she supposed to pay me with, stale bread?)

...and things go from bad to worse when his office building catches on fire thanks to an arsonist. With nowhere to go, Maya offers Phoenix the chance to stay with her and Pearl at Fey Manor. Hilarity ensues. I plan to bring back Iris as well, but I'll be fleshing out her personality to make her more likable.

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Phoenix: Maya, trust me on this, you cannot have Iris cook!
Maya: Why not?
Phoenix: Well... see... back when me and her were dating...
(flashback)
Phoenix: Hellooooo, Dollie! It's so nice to see you! ./'
"Dollie": Hello Feenie... um... do you think I... can have that necklace back?
Phoenix: Huh? You think I'm going to lose it or something? Don't worry, I won't let this out of my sight for a second!
Dollie: O-Of course... sorry...
Phoenix: Hey, wanna go to the cafeteria and get some lunch? I think I could eat three whole burgers today!
Dollie: Oh! Actually, I thought we'd do something different today.
Phoenix: ?
Dollie: Here, I made us soup for lunch!
Phoenix: Soup?! I didn't know you could cook!
Dollie: Well, it's something I just thought I'd try.
Phoenix: It looks delicious! I'm going to eat it all up right now! ... ... ... IRK! It... it's...
Dollie: Do you like it~?
Phoenix: I-It's... uh... what is it?
Dollie: Oh it's sweet and spicy calamari soup! I used fried squid, Tabasco sauce and jelly beans to make it!
Phoenix: I... see...
(end flashback)
Phoenix: I never had the heart to tell her how bad it was, it only encouraged her to keep making my lunches...
Maya: W-Well it's been a lot of years, I'm sure she's gotten better!
Iris: Um, Mystic Maya, where do we keep the ketchup and marshmallows?
Maya: ...NICK, DO SOMETHING! I don't wanna die!!!

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Allow me to initiate myself into this fanclub by reviving it with my two-cents. :3c

Spoiler: Oh god here we go--
Phoenix, to me, seems like the kind of person who's surface personality is easily shaped by what experieneces he goes through. For example, look at his college days, and how different he is when we first meet him in AA. It doesn't seem off to me, then, when we first catch a glimpse of him in AJ, and see how his disbarrment has affected him. He's jaded, yes, rebellious, yes, but that's because he was completely screwed over by Kristoph and the system. It's enough to make anyone become a Be As Unhelpful As Possible trope, really.

That being said, however, Phoenix's core personality hasn't changed. He knows that it was Kristoph who killed Zak, and as the man himself said, if it turns out Kristoph DIDN'T do anything, the ace would have meant nothing, and it wouldn't have had to be used. It only worked because Kristoph WAS the killer -- doesn't this sound suspiciously like 3-3, anyone? I don't think it's unethical at all. Unethical would be if he was forging evidence to FRAME Kristoph, for example. But he wasn't.


...I would probably write more if I wasn't really, really hungry right now. :T

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Speaking both as a new member and as a fan who has beat the five Ace Attorney games, I want to throw something out here:

A couple of days ago, Ryota Niitsuma, the director of Marvel Vs Capcom 3, deconfirmed Phoenix Wright as an inclusion for the game. To the objections of MANY.

Today, Shu Takumi, in an interview (around the midway point of the video), said that he was aware Wright wasn't up for inclusion. However, if he got enough support from fans, then he would go to Niitsuma and fight for Phoenix Wright's inclusion.

In a separate video interview recorded today, Niitsuma stated that he was aware of Takumi's "challenge" (though not that word specifically). The gist of it is that Niitsuma says that although there are no plans for Phoenix Wright, he might come around and put him in to please the fans, but it stands as a HUGE MAYBE. Even with the support. I have no direct evidence of Niitsuma explicit saying so, but this is not BS. If and when the video shows up I will edit my post.

Regardless, I wanted to pass this information around to anyone who might be interested in seeing Nick/Trite/Wrighto/Feenie/Ryuuichi Naruhodou in MvC3. He might not "fit" as a fighting game character, but there are certainly fighting games rgar have used characters that otherwise wouldn't make sense, and MvC3 will be big on fanservice, according to Niitsuma. The viability of Wright as a character is being suspended for a moment here.

I don't really know what to do, but I will be filing a request atCapcom Unity's Suggestion Box. I want one more Turnabout for Phoenix Wright, and I'll do what I can for it! If you would like to see Phoenix Wright in Marvel Vs Capcom 3, do what you can!

------EDIT-------: Video/Audio of Niitsuma saying he might have to purposely lose to Shu Takumi if Takumi fights him has been found! In its significance it is an audio sample, but at the end, for a few seconds, the confirmation is there. Thanks to Pool I for the footage, and his petition.


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Oh good, glad to hear that. ./'

I admit I was disappointed in hearing Phoenix be disconfirmed, but this makes me optimistic again, perhaps even more then before. :gant-clap:

You guys should see the whiners at GameFAQs saying how much sacrilege it would be if Phoenix was in, cause Marvel vs Capcom is SERIOUS BUSINESS. :igarashi:
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Oh good, glad to hear that. ./'

I admit I was disappointed in hearing Phoenix be disconfirmed, but this makes me optimistic again, perhaps even more then before. :gant-clap:

You guys should see the whiners at GameFAQs saying how much sacrilege it would be if Phoenix was in, cause Marvel vs Capcom is SERIOUS BUSINESS. :igarashi:


Well it's Capcom's fault for not putting him in the 'more suited' Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

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SUPPORT THE WRIGHT FIGHT! PHOENIX WRIGHT FOR MARVEL VS CAPCOM 3!

http://www.capcom-unity.com/go/suggestion/box

Petition (you can use a username): http://www.petitiononline.com/MVC3

Facebook: http://ow.ly/2gZIK

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Petition thread on Capcom site: http://ow.ly/2iXag

Twitter 1: https://twitter.com/PWrightMvC3

Twitter 2: https://twitter.com/TURNABOUTMVC

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It's a shame that the man himself got his fanclub so far in the back page.

REVIVE THE THREAD!

This was posted on Edgey fanclub too, but since it contains Phoenix I think it's appropriate to put it in here. :jake:
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http://nenilein.tumblr.com/post/35363806046/phoenix-wright-from-hatchling-to-phoenix-to-ashes-and

Maybe this has been posted before, but anyway, I finally had the energy to read through this and I recommend it - it's a thorough analysis on Phoenix' development, from class trial-Phoenix to hobo-Phoenix based on his actions and reactions. After reading this I appreciate Phoenix even more as a character, and I understand him a bit better as a "person". :phoenix:
(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)
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