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IMO, murderers who confess, have committed unpremeditated murder, or conspired to commit murder (IE they didn't do the deed, they had someone else do it) don't get the DP.

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Frank Sahwit, Redd White, Richard Wellington, Morgan Fey, Acro, and Matt Engarde got life in prison.

Manfred von Karma, Damon Gant, and Mimi Miney got death.

Dee Vasquez got acquitted, since she killed in justified self-defense.
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That's about the si... Well... I don't think Mini got death. I just don't think she committed too horrendous a murder!
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I think criminal sentences are based upon the severity of the crime committed. As long as they give a reason I don't think they get death; at least in Mimi and Acro's cases, since their reasons for murder were based mainly upon a single person and not a large number of factors. Plus, they didn't act out of selfish desire.

I don't think they ever openly state in-game which criminals got death and which didn't but they strongly hint that Manfred could have possibly been sentenced to death.
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That's always what I thought, though for some reason I always pictured Gant coming off with a Life sentence.

And about Mimi, I think that in the end her death toll reached sixteen people. The fourteen patients who died from her medical error, then her sister in the car crash, and finally Dr. Grey. Although most of these were certainly not committed on purpose, I cannot see her coming away with anything less than the DP. Even her attack on Grey was brutal. Stabbed him, and then shot him, and nearly got Maya shot too.

Though I suppose she could get Life too, if she struck a plea bargain. Maybe I'm overthinking this.
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Gant got death?
Wait a minute, where does it say who gets death and who doesn't?
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You just have to add up what they did and didnt do to see if they get the DP. It depends on the judge too, sometimes the judge will be more leinient than others.
I think, say Richard Wellington, would have got the DP because he killed an officer in cold blood. That sort of thing means the DP and there's no way out. I think so anyways.
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All of those are only in theory. By GS3 you learn that premeditated murder will get you the death penalty. The only other ones we know *for certain* are:

von Karma was executed.

Edgeworth asked that the police "go easy" on Acro. That may mean he wasn't executed.

Morgan was put in prison for her help in 2-2. In GS3 they make a remark about her "carrying out her sentence" but I don't know if that means she was ever meant to be released or was sentenced to life. T&T might clear that up.

Three people in GS3 are sentenced to be executed. In the case of 2 of them it was definately premeditated, but one's a little iffy.

I'm inclined to believe that 2nd degree murder will still get you executed. There's nothing to indicate that confessing will lower your sentence (though I guess we can assume that it does, considering people actually do it in the games). As for Dee...she might not have ever been charged with murder, but she did confess to extortion, so she probably spent at least some time in jail.
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Croik wrote:
All of those are only in theory. By GS3 you learn that premeditated murder will get you the death penalty. The only other ones we know *for certain* are:

Morgan was put in prison for her help in 2-2. In GS3 they make a remark about her "carrying out her sentence" but I don't know if that means she was ever meant to be released or was sentenced to life. T&T might clear that up.

As for Dee...she might not have ever been charged with murder, but she did confess to extortion, so she probably spent at least some time in jail.


Does this mean Ini was executed?

Great, now I know. Morgan probably is sentenced to life.
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Ini was most probably executed for the planned murder of Dr. Turner Grey
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Soooo many GS3 spoilers. D:
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...I think Ini got away and is now in politics. That's how we got all our other guys, am I right?
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If all the events in PW took place in the Japanese judicial system, would the sentences for each person found guilty be more or less the same as the American counterpart?
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So, if I heard Croik correctly...
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...Gant's skull is now full of lead?
Or is he only in jail? He DID make Lana do everything for him. >_>

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LVKeulen wrote:
So, if I heard Croik correctly...
Spoiler: Justice for All Final Case spoiler
...Gant's skull is now full of lead?
Or is he only in jail? He DID make Lana do everything for him. >_>


This thread is already tagged for AA and JFA spoilers, so I can say this :D

Gant was probably executed. If Karma's crimes were enough, I'm sure Gant's two murders would be plenty. Though technically, I think the PW world's preferred method of execution is hanging.
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Man, the PW world sure is backwards like that. >_>
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Personally, I prefer the "electric chair" method.
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Croik wrote:
LVKeulen wrote:
So, if I heard Croik correctly...
Spoiler: Justice for All Final Case spoiler
...Gant's skull is now full of lead?
Or is he only in jail? He DID make Lana do everything for him. >_>


This thread is already tagged for AA and JFA spoilers, so I can say this :D

Gant was probably executed. If Karma's crimes were enough, I'm sure Gant's two murders would be plenty. Though technically, I think the PW world's preferred method of execution is hanging.


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No lethal injection eh?
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Now please tell me, is it general in America that everyone is executed for a 1st degree murder, or is it just in the PW universe?

Here in Europe there is no DP and murderers get about 3-30 years depending on the number of ppl killed, the method he/she used and if it was planned or not.
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Croik wrote:
All of those are only in theory. By GS3 you learn that premeditated murder will get you the death penalty. The only other ones we know *for certain* are:

von Karma was executed.


All they say is that "He's gone" and "Franziska lost her father". For all we know, he *could* have a 23-hour solitary confinement deal. but Yanni DID show off the paper, revealing the matching hand writing. This would reveal 2 murders
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You know, I always thought that Von Karma got the death sentence, but then why did Phoenix picture "Manfred" Von Karma when he heard Gumshoe say that "Von Karma" was prosecuting the case? Did Phoenix just not know about his fate, or had the fact that another Von Karma existed not even accoured to him?

Eh, probably the latter, actually.
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For some reason I don't feel like Gant would have gotten the death penalty. I can't even explain it, even though his crime was the worse. I feel like he still would have too many people on his side, being so influential.
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That was my thought as well. Considering Gant's background, I find it highly unlikely that they just threw him through the noose that easily.

Also, I feel I must note our friend Yanni Yogi. He was suspected of murder, but got off on Guilty But Not At Fault, did he not? That was the impression I got, anyway. So that's a possible plea for some of our other villains. There are certainly a few who could get away with that plea, I'm sure. "Insanity" and all.
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You know, I always thought that Von Karma got the death sentence, but then why did Phoenix picture "Manfred" Von Karma when he heard Gumshoe say that "Von Karma" was prosecuting the case? Did Phoenix just not know about his fate, or had the fact that another Von Karma existed not even accoured to him?

Eh, probably the latter, actually.

I'm thinking he just associated the name "von Karma" with Manfred since at that point he was the only von Karma Phoenix had ever heard of. It's like how saying "Edgeworth" makes you think of Miles rather than Gregory since Miles is more well known. Gumshoe immediately tells Phoenix it's Manfred's successor in a few lines anyway although he doesn't specify gender.
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Now please tell me, is it general in America that everyone is executed for a 1st degree murder, or is it just in the PW universe?

Here in Europe there is no DP and murderers get about 3-30 years depending on the number of ppl killed, the method he/she used and if it was planned or not.



it's america. they're all BAM BAM! Shoot you up! I blame the fact their history goes back about as far as "modern" firearms. They just love guns and the death penalty. And jesus. Also, my impression form when i went there, and what i've seen is that everyone is EXTREMELY right wing-evangelical.

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Where exactly did you go in America, Bangvang? Some places are more liberal than others. I'm relatively left wing and I have no religious affiliation, same with a lot of Americans on this site.

Back to the point -
From what I understand, death penalty is on a case by case basis. I probably should do some more research into this, huh?

EDIT: From wikipedia....

Federal Law provides death penalty for many homicide-related crimes, as well as espionage, treason, and trafficking large quantities of drugs.[131] Many states have their own laws regarding the death penalty. As of 2007, the Death Penalty has been abolished or found unconstitutional in 12+ states, although the rest still exercise the death penalty. Although legally a punishment of several crimes, it has not been applied for any crime other than murder or conspiracy to murder since 1964. It is now only used in cases of murder accompanied by previously identified special circumstances (e.g., murder and rape, murder and kidnapping, etc.) Some states also impose it for some cases of sexual assault especially sex crimes against children (i.e. statutory rape, sexual assault against a minor). Sentences of death must be handed down by a jury, not by a judge alone; the jury must hand down the sentence at the conclusion of a separate penalty phase of the trial (at least implying the jurors who sentence the person to death were the same jurors who convicted him or her of the crime). For more information see Capital punishment in the United States.


So basically it's broken down by state and crime. I don't think anything will guarantee or not guarentee capital punishment.
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Maybe I'm just a perv, but when I think of someone "getting the DP" my mind doesn't jump to the death penalty

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Here in Europe there is no DP


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TaT case 5 makes it clear that Manny von Karma is kaput and dead.
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Bangvang wrote:
Szabu wrote:
Now please tell me, is it general in America that everyone is executed for a 1st degree murder, or is it just in the PW universe?

Here in Europe there is no DP and murderers get about 3-30 years depending on the number of ppl killed, the method he/she used and if it was planned or not.



it's america. they're all BAM BAM! Shoot you up! I blame the fact their history goes back about as far as "modern" firearms. They just love guns and the death penalty. And jesus. Also, my impression form when i went there, and what i've seen is that everyone is EXTREMELY right wing-evangelical.

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Bangvang wrote:
Szabu wrote:
Now please tell me, is it general in America that everyone is executed for a 1st degree murder, or is it just in the PW universe?

Here in Europe there is no DP and murderers get about 3-30 years depending on the number of ppl killed, the method he/she used and if it was planned or not.



it's america. they're all BAM BAM! Shoot you up! I blame the fact their history goes back about as far as "modern" firearms. They just love guns and the death penalty. And jesus. Also, my impression form when i went there, and what i've seen is that everyone is EXTREMELY right wing-evangelical.

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That is all said sarcastically, right? "They all love jesus?" Excuse me while I go die of laughter.

Yes, now that I'm done, I have reached the conclusion that that was sarcasm. Anyway, of the first two games, I think that the only ones who wouldve gotten death are Manfred, Gant, and Wellington. I cant see the public letting Gant worm out of the death sentence...I mean, his case would be completely in the publics eye, and he would have killed two people and blackmailed another high-ranking officer!
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it's america. they're all BAM BAM! Shoot you up! I blame the fact their history goes back about as far as "modern" firearms. They just love guns and the death penalty. And jesus. Also, my impression form when i went there, and what i've seen is that everyone is EXTREMELY right wing-evangelical.

>_>


That post made my day. I seriously laughed so hard that my stomach hurts. Everyone in America loves Jesus? xDD
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