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Why is Maya so childish?
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). Now I think her childishness is equal parts endearing and annoying at times.Anyway, I was wondering why she was written liike that? To exaggerate the older/younger person dynamic or to make her seem like a fangirl (early on, that was how I would read her as).
Could it be as she's training to be a medium and all, she had to grow up quickly in some respects, and so through her love of Steel Samurai, ramen (?), burgers etc, she's reliving the childhood she hasnt really had?
I mean
has an excuse as she really IS a little kid, and when it's revealed Maya likes Steel Samurai, I remembered when I was about 17/18 and used to watch Pokénon all the time, and play the games. Then I grew up :D
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I just can't imagine that it's implied that Maya originally was living on her own. Can she even do that?
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I also think she's just trying to have fun. Phoenix is pretty damn easy to tease, and hey, she's 17/18 and stuff, why not? I'm 19 and I still act much like a child, but can act mature when the time calls for it.
I personally like her personality, and it just adds some comedic relief to the game, so that's probably why they have her. Comedy. She makes a good duo with Phoenix.
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She brings comedy to the game as you say, and can also be heartfelt. It's true she wants to be do well at what she does and get Nick to accept her (hence her reverse psychology "I'm useless" speeches), she really does want to help, I guess.
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Maya has none of those and she is sweet and naïve. I don't think there is anything wrong about her behavior. Actually, I love it.
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Maya's maturity is incorporated into her personality (bubbly, cheerful, OMFGYAAAY, etc.); therefore, she expresses it differently. If you want an example, take any scene immediately after a kidnapping/whatever and look at how she reacts. It would make the most sense for her to be crying/distressed/sappy/etc., but instead we have a Maya that comes back smiling and babbling and cracking jokes all over the place. She understands that her situation caused people to worry HARDCORE, and by staying strong and keeping the happy face, she's trying to ease all the anxiety and show them that she's all right (as opposed to just repeating it over and over and over again like some people tend to do).
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Plus Maya's just awesome. There's that.
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I apologise, I didnt mean to say she's annoying NOW, possibly "childish" isnt the best word, but she gains great pleasure from small things and is often very happy. I don't mean "happy" I mean HAPPY. For these reasons I'd love to have a friend like Maya in real life :)
It's interesting to contrast her with our Nick, because as you say Maya can be bubbly/happy most of the time and then serious, whereas Nick can be serious (outwardly) but he's hardly always a model adult.
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But like Maya she does have her serious moments too.
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I think it's just her personality and her tastes, really. Just because she acts younger doesn't mean she can't live on her own or something.
I think I'd like her less if she was more mature, really.
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But sheltered after her mother ran off.
But still it's what made Phoenix Wright so go figure!
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There's nothing wrong with acting younger than you are - I'm 25, I used to watch Pokémon et al when I was 17 :D
I didnt mean to say I don't like Maya, I do like her! Just trying to start a debate.
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I don't think Maya was "sheltered" in Pearl's sense of the word, since by the time Phoenix meets her she's obviously already obsessed with all kinds of things outside of her own culture. It could be more of an isolationism thing - Maya's life centered around her sister and her aunt and her cousin for a long time, and the idea of having a "friend" outside of her family (like Phoenix) might be a little foreign to her. That might've influenced how she acted around him early on, but the fact that she's still acting like that by the end of T&T (after she'd been interacting/making friends with all kinds of people) says that it's at least a real part of her personality.
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I didnt mean to say I don't like Maya, I do like her! Just trying to start a debate.
Don't worry, we understand. Plus you gave me an outlet to babble so hey. 
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Though the one thing that really bugs me is the "She's being strong for Pearl's sake!" I mean, it's sweet, and it does tell us that she's a strong person. But it also prevents us from seeing what should be really emotional moments for her. Even if Mia tells Phoenix later, "Oh yeah, Maya--she's having a hard time right now" it doesn't quite feel as genuine as if Phoenix sat down and had a talk with her.
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Maya is at her strongest when she can be there for people; asides from the general idea of "oh, she's strong", it's also a coping mechanism for her and lets her channel her emotions into a different direction. We can see how quickly and how badly she falls apart when she thinks she isn't able to support the people around her, ala 1-4. It's simply one of her core character traits, and I think the way she was presented at the end of 3-5 was very consistent with that, and very sweet besides.
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I think I'd like her less if she was more mature, really.
Yeah. I mean, the "kid" thing is what makes some parts genuinely funny. Of course, the kid thing could wear on you at times (as Croik said). I think that sometimes Maya's personality either makes or breaks the moment. Sometimes, it makes a certain moment much more enjoyable when Maya and Nick are interacting (such as when they're in the Ringmaster's Room in 2-2). That was funny. But, some moments (such as various moments scattered in 1-3), she just wears on you. Wear wear wear. So...to me, it's more of a "spur of the moment" thing. Mature at one moment, not so much at the next. It all depends on the situation.
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There is also a distinct pattern in the entire third game of her
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Pineapple Box wrote:
Sure, the writers probably wanted a happy ending, and sure, they probably thought they didn't have enough time to flesh out Maya's reaction since lol it's the end of the game, and I wouldn't be surprised if Maya's reaction was just as much of a writing device as a form of character development. But I don't really think it's a question of "Maya's character" vs. "writers' laziness" since I don't believe that the latter (if that was the case) really detracts from the former.
But that's just why I don't like it..
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If you notice, Phoenix and Maya somewhat act like an owarai kombi in a manzai performance. Phoenix acts as tsukkomi (the straight man) and Maya as a boke (the funny man--or in this case, the funny woman.) I admittedly haven't seen that much japanese stand up routines (only a few of them are available in subtitles), but from what I've seen... the comedians acting as the bokes always act like a total idiot; exactly like Maya. I personally think she behaves more like an idiot rather than childish.
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H-Have I mentioned that I love this topic yet?
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But that's just why I don't like it..
And, really, I would have loved it if things were expanded on. I'm just saying that the things the writers did put in there are just as important and deserve just as much weight as what they might have put in there.
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