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I'll get right to the point. No one seems to bring up that Goodman could have been saved if Jake Marshall had only remained at his post like he was supposed to.
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True but he was in trouble as it was. Maybe they used that as one of the many reasons to dismiss him?
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True, but think of it this way.
If the Goodman case had never happened... MAAAAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!

Spoiler: Case 1-5
Phoenix would've never met Ema and would've never learned about scientific investigation methods
The SL-9 Incident would've gone through with Evidence Transferral, meaning Gant would never be brought to justice
The conflicts between Lana and Ema would've never been resolved
For that matter, Lana would've remained the cold self that she was, never returning to her normal personality
Also for that matter, Ema would've never known what REALLY happened on that night
Because of this, she would be plagued with it for the rest of her life
...And probably would never become a scientific investigator, or a detective for that matter
Gant would've eventually taken over the world (well maybe not, but at least the city...)
...And be able to freely have his way with everyone (read: raep tiem would become ALL the "tiem"... and no one would be able to do anything about it.)
....Including Ema (O NOEZ!!!!!)
Probably a bunch of stuff I'm forgetting

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What I always wondered was why

Spoiler: 1-5
Gant even showed up to deliver the new evidence to the court house, as well as unofficially discuss the murder in the evidence room (even mention the time, no less!). Was he so arrogant that he thought he wouldn't eventually get caught/found to be connected to both? I mean, he already felt slightly guilty for murdering Goodman, and bringing in the evidence/discussing the police murder was just asking for trouble. He could've easily covered/falsified both aspects up, being the Chief of Police

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That was because I believe the original plan was to make it look like it was Edgeworth who did it. Gant definitly has some sort of grudge against him, always finding a way to take a shot at him when the chance arose.
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What I'm saying is that if Marshall had done his actual job, he could have caught Gant in the act and possibly gotten Goodman medical attention in time to save his life.
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I have a question about Gant. :damon:
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One thing I don't understand is why Gant killed Neil Marshall. Is it because he needed irrefutable proof that would help them convict Joe Dark of the murders he was responsible for? Would he go so far as to murder an innocent man just so he could get a conviction? If so, that just makes him more evil.
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AdvanceStratagist wrote:
That was because I believe the original plan was to make it look like it was Edgeworth who did it. Gant definitly has some sort of grudge against him, always finding a way to take a shot at him when the chance arose.


Why would Gant have a grudge against Edgeworth anyway? Is there even a shred of evidence that suggests he hates Edgeworth with every fiber of his body? I'm guessing Gant delivered the knife was because he purposely wanted to take the credit for correcting the prosecution's lack of investigation into the murder, thus strengthening his image as a benevolent, righteous, and selfless upholder of justice.
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I have a question about Gant. :damon:
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One thing I don't understand is why Gant killed Neil Marshall. Is it because he needed irrefutable proof that would help them convict Joe Dark of the murders he was responsible for? Would he go so far as to murder an innocent man just so he could get a conviction? If so, that just makes him more evil.

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No, it was a plan to take control of both the police and the prosecutors office. He stumbled along the Darke, Neil, and Ema all unconscious and realized he could twist Lana with this by making it look like Ema killed Neil. He is definitely a truly cruel man, but it wasn't about really about Darke.

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If Gant is the Chief of police, he could have easily gotten Marshall to vacate the premises. As an order.

Awful suspicious, but come on. He's the Chief. You don't disobey the Chief unless you just want to be fired.
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Walkie Talkie Man wrote:
Why would Gant have a grudge against Edgeworth anyway?
Because he wanted Manfred all to himself! *shot*

Erm...anyway:
Who is to say that Marshall could've saved Goodman? Keep in mind that Gant pretty much panicked, so chances are that he'd shoot (or stab) now and ask questions later. Assuming that detectives have handguns on them (Gumshoe does), Gant could've just grabbed Goodman's and wiped out Marshall the second he heard him coming... or Meekins and the Blue Badger...
Too lazy... hur hur.
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Oh, come on people! Just let it go. I mean seriously, it's fictional! FICTIONAL!!! YES THAT'S FICTIONAL WITH AN F!!! F AS IN FICTIONAL!!! F IS MY FAVORITE LETTER!

LOL :-p
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YES IT IS FICTIONAL! But this is a MESSAGE BOARD about the games. We can talk about it as IF it's real and it shouldn't make a bit of difference. By discussing these issues, we're expanding our creativity and making ourselves think outside the box. Isn't that what Mia wanted Phoenix to do all along? And look where HE ended up...
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SwordKing wrote:
I'll get right to the point. No one seems to bring up that Goodman could have been saved if Jake Marshall had only remained at his post like he was supposed to.

But that would've been too easy :3
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xylophone220 wrote:
SwordKing wrote:
I'll get right to the point. No one seems to bring up that Goodman could have been saved if Jake Marshall had only remained at his post like he was supposed to.

But that would've been too easy :3


And doesn't make for a terribly compelling story.
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OMGimsuchafangirl wrote:
Oh, come on people! Just let it go. I mean seriously, it's fictional! FICTIONAL!!! YES THAT'S FICTIONAL WITH AN F!!! F AS IN FICTIONAL!!! F IS MY FAVORITE LETTER!

LOL :-p

:objection:

I see a glaring contradiction with your testimony and your name.
Too lazy... hur hur.
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There's actually a very simple reason for him leaving his post. He's still investigating the SL9 incident, and is getting ready to steal the evidence from the locker. In a way; Gant's to blame for everything :D
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Walkie Talkie Man wrote:
AdvanceStratagist wrote:
That was because I believe the original plan was to make it look like it was Edgeworth who did it. Gant definitly has some sort of grudge against him, always finding a way to take a shot at him when the chance arose.


Why would Gant have a grudge against Edgeworth anyway? Is there even a shred of evidence that suggests he hates Edgeworth with every fiber of his body? I'm guessing Gant delivered the knife was because he purposely wanted to take the credit for correcting the prosecution's lack of investigation into the murder, thus strengthening his image as a benevolent, righteous, and selfless upholder of justice.


True, we never hear him outright say he wanted Edgeworth gone, but throughout the whole trial Edgeworth's name keeps popping up for mistakes and hidden evidence, mostly all of which was set up by Gant. It got to the point where everyone was starting to wonder if Edgeworth had done it. Maybe he just happened to be the unlucky sap Gant ended up taking it out on, but he does go out of his way to mess with him.
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Aetheryn wrote:
I see a glaring contradiction with your testimony and your name.


Oh, trust me, there's NO contradiction in my name.

(Hint hint: Ask Yuki Kazahana about me and my obsessions)
10/28/07, 4:20 PM
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WE'RE CRAZY MAD BITCHES!!!

Special!
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~Insho, my awesome friend...
~TSS, my angstish friend...
~Yuki, my crazy mad bitch of a sister...

For no frickin' reason whatsoever!!!
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OMGimsuchafangirl wrote:
Oh, come on people! Just let it go. I mean seriously, it's fictional! FICTIONAL!!! YES THAT'S FICTIONAL WITH AN F!!! F AS IN FICTIONAL!!! F IS MY FAVORITE LETTER!

LOL :-p
...what a useless post. Why, praytell, are you a member of CR if you dont have time for these little debates?

I find that there are so many flaws in 1-5 that I have taken to ignoring them and instead looking at Angel and Jake's sprites and being happy. Angel is such an awesome character, and she needs more appreciation.
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Brandon Strong wrote:
...what a useless post.


Um, yes, well... I apologize about that... I, um, have a tendancy to get obnoxious, immature, and annoying at times like these...
10/28/07, 4:20 PM
Yuki and I just realized,

WE'RE CRAZY MAD BITCHES!!!

Special!
^
Thanks to:

~Insho, my awesome friend...
~TSS, my angstish friend...
~Yuki, my crazy mad bitch of a sister...

For no frickin' reason whatsoever!!!
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Slezak wrote:
True, but think of it this way.
If the Goodman case had never happened... MAAAAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!

Spoiler: Case 1-5
Phoenix would've never met Ema and would've never learned about scientific investigation methods
The SL-9 Incident would've gone through with Evidence Transferral, meaning Gant would never be brought to justice
The conflicts between Lana and Ema would've never been resolved
For that matter, Lana would've remained the cold self that she was, never returning to her normal personality
Also for that matter, Ema would've never known what REALLY happened on that night
Because of this, she would be plagued with it for the rest of her life
...And probably would never become a scientific investigator, or a detective for that matter
Gant would've eventually taken over the world (well maybe not, but at least the city...)
...And be able to freely have his way with everyone (read: raep tiem would become ALL the "tiem"... and no one would be able to do anything about it.)
....Including Ema (O NOEZ!!!!!)
Probably a bunch of stuff I'm forgetting



And I would have never been the fangirl of Mike as I am XD

Oh and I agree Brandon. There's definiately more to Angel then what she let's on.
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PhoenixFan1986 wrote:
I have a question about Gant. :damon:
Spoiler:
One thing I don't understand is why Gant killed Neil Marshall. Is it because he needed irrefutable proof that would help them convict Joe Dark of the murders he was responsible for? Would he go so far as to murder an innocent man just so he could get a conviction? If so, that just makes him more evil.



Like many of the villains in PW. He's a sociopath, the technical term for an asshole.
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Deltron wrote:
What I always wondered was why

Spoiler: 1-5
Gant even showed up to deliver the new evidence to the court house, as well as unofficially discuss the murder in the evidence room (even mention the time, no less!). Was he so arrogant that he thought he wouldn't eventually get caught/found to be connected to both? I mean, he already felt slightly guilty for murdering Goodman, and bringing in the evidence/discussing the police murder was just asking for trouble. He could've easily covered/falsified both aspects up, being the Chief of Police


I always saw Gant as a sort of character who wanted to play this little game with Wrighto and Worthy. Maybe as some sort of test to see if something like what he did would be able to be uncovered with the legal system. I mean, sure, he might not have really expected them to get as far as they did (the "demon" Gant sprite totally took me by surprise), but he was still pretty calm and collected the entire time. He didn't really slip up like the villians from other cases throughout the games did, I think.
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Good observation, Suiken, I never really thought about it like that...I guess that would kind of tie in with him being arrogant, since he thought he could play such games. Him being calm for the most part was a pretty good point too, I can only recall him and perhaps Vasquez being the only calm/collected ones after being exposed, he even complimented Wrighto/Edgey in a sense too...everyone else either went crazy/got nervous after their confessions.



I just replayed Case 5 over the weekend, and another "thing" (not really a problem, more of a stupid contradiction/annoying nitpick) was

Spoiler: 1-5 testimony
when you had to show the "obvious" contradiction of Ema's picture. I mean she isn't an artist, so she could have hypothetically just drawn it like that because can't really draw, even if it hadn't been a broken tipped knife..because if the image was truly burned into her head, she could've also included Marshall's hat and some other details.


Still one of my favorite cases in the series though.
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Deltron wrote:
Spoiler: 1-5 testimony
when you had to show the "obvious" contradiction of Ema's picture. I mean she isn't an artist, so she could have hypothetically just drawn it like that because can't really draw, even if it hadn't been a broken tipped knife..because if the image was truly burned into her head, she could've also included Marshall's hat and some other details.


I also had an issue with that. That particular contradiction made it seem like the writers had a bit of a block in terms of how to keep the case moving along. Or at least, it was a really long stretch. I mean, I thought it was like Ema just drew it like that and thought "Yeah, that's the weapon, more or less." It didn't look so much broken as not spending much time drawing it.
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