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Hmmm.... all of a sudden I wonder if Payne's wife knows oldbag.

Or...*gasp*


*SIGHS*

Say it. :payne:


Sorry, I tought my implying was clearer.

Paynes wife= :oldbag:

It would explain alot.


Woulda it? Would it really?
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If I had Oldbag for I wife, I would be submissive as all get out as well.
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Poor Payne :sadshoe:

I can't imagine being stuck with Oldbag, and, although it's unlikely, I guess it's possible she's his wife.

Personally, though, I think the game would give Payne a hot wife, if only to give the player a WTF moment.
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Yes, I know, there's a fanfic on fanfiction for it, but I'm too lazy to go find it.
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I thought of something completely random (but cute!) Klavier/Dessie

I mean, they both ride motorcycles, so... :yuusaku:

I honestly prefer Ron/Dessie...
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Dahlia was way more eviller (is that even a word?) than Kristoph. Dahlia killed her step-sister. She murdered her former lover, caused the suicide of her other former lover. Also she came back from the dead to kill her aunt only to pin the blame on the only person who has ever cared about her. Kristoph... uh... lost at poker, got butt-hurt, took his revenge on someone completely unrelated and then lived in excessive paranoia for the rest of his life causing him to kill people. Kristoph killed people out of fear that he would be found out while Dahlia's more of a batshit insane kind of evil.

You're comparing Dahlia's actions to Kristoph's motives. Apples to oranges.

Dahlia resorted to murder to avoid being caught, the same reason Kristoph had. She had a lot more to lose by being found out than Kristoph, though; she'd be going to prison and likely facing the death penalty, while Kristoph would just be uncovered as a cheating douchebag.

So I don't see how you come up with "Dahlia is so much worse than Kristoph." If anything, Kristoph is worse for having a weaker reason to take someone's life.


I admit, my original arguement was pretty pathetic. The whole concept of "evil levels" is pretty subjective and there's no way to say who's eviller. You say he's eviller for having weaker reasons to kill people, I say Dahlia's eviller for killing the most people and even those close to her. It's a futile debate.

Reemokisu - I believe in 3-1 the Judge or Payne said that "you'd be surprised" when you met his wife, implying that she was quite the looker.

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I wonder, why is it that I've never seen a serious crack pairing discussion?

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I'd say DahKris is pretty crack.
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I think Edgeworth deserves more pairings than he has right now

And by that I mean all canon and non-canon pairings
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I think Edgeworth deserves more pairings than he has right now

And by that I mean all canon and non-canon pairings


Are you kidding? :eh?: IMO There's more edgey ones than Phoenix (nothing canon though).
I've seen him paired with , Maya, Franny, gant , Phoenix, Oldbag, Kay , Godot , Manfred , jean, Iris, Wakana and Brushel. and i'm sure i'm forgetting a couple.
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neoswordmaster wrote:
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Hmmm.... all of a sudden I wonder if Payne's wife knows oldbag.

Or...*gasp*


*SIGHS*

Say it. :payne:


Sorry, I tought my implying was clearer.

Paynes wife= :oldbag:

It would explain alot.


It was clear. I just didn't think it was much fun to stop there.
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Adrian in black wrote:
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*SIGHS*

Say it. :payne:


Sorry, I tought my implying was clearer.

Paynes wife= :oldbag:

It would explain alot.


It was clear. I just didn't think it was much fun to stop there.


Actually at first I thought he was suggesting Oldbag/Payneswife yuri.
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I think Edgeworth deserves more pairings than he has right now

And by that I mean all canon and non-canon pairings


So you want Edgey....paired with everyone?
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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I think Edgeworth deserves more pairings than he has right now

And by that I mean all canon and non-canon pairings


So you want Edgey....paired with everyone?


Or better yet, we could clone infinite copies of everyone, and everyone's dream of pairings could come true.

I'm sure this statement is going to ignite controversy
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Or better yet, we could clone infinite copies of everyone, and everyone's dream of pairings could come true.

I'm sure this statement is going to ignite controversy


Are you sure you would want, to, do that? :uramidn:
It could mean good things, but also bad. Like:
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Yes I do....

I imagine :edgeworth: x :oldbag: x :oldbag: x :oldbag: x :oldbag: could be a mind-blowing fanfic.
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OK, maybe not everyone, just the pairing-prone characters.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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I think Edgeworth deserves more pairings than he has right now

And by that I mean all canon and non-canon pairings


So you want Edgey....paired with everyone?


In every series or fandom I get interested in I always have a man whore. I pair that man whore with everyone possible. And I mean everyone.
For example, in KHR, it is Gokudera. In Liar Game, it is Akiyama. In Otomen, it is Asuka. In Phoenix Wright, it is Edgeworth.
As far as I'm concerned, Edgeworth is ALREADY paired with everyone. Yes, including Payne, Manfred, the Judge and Ms. Oldbag. Everyone.
except your OCs.

Anyways this thread should move back to debates. Is this thread limitted only to pairing debates but also other debates? We've already have an "Is there a point to debating?" debate, and I was wondering if this debate thread would allow a "Edgeworth and Maya are siblings!" debate. Does anyone have any debates they'd like to start?
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Well, I'd like to start the Phoenix and Maya are sibilings, but I don't my approval ratings would go up.

And I never actually saw much interaction between Edgeworth and Maya. Not really...
Let's debate the validity of Matt/Matt, shall we?
Or if that's not a really good debate topic...Gantema?
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Croik will probably have a better answer than me, but I think we're supposed to stick to the topic of pairing debates because if we allowed other types, it wouldn't be organized. I don't know where a debate like that (Edgeworth and Maya as siblings) belongs on this forum, so I'll defer to the other mods and admins on this one. I wouldn't be surprised it that was an old topic burried in the Defendant's lobby.
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Title says Pairing Debates....

Doesn't say AA pairing debates if your looking for a loophole.
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Let's debate the validity of Matt/Matt, shall we?
Or if that's not a really good debate topic...Gantema?


Actually, I think Matt/Matt is a very interesting pairing (does it even count as a pairing?). Matt comes across as a complete sociopath and I believe it's also strongly implied that he's a narcissist: he needs to be the center of attention and thinks extremely highly of himself. He seems to characterize:a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, as is the definition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder from Wikipedia. He does highly value power and prestige, being a famous TV star and even going so far as to murder a potential rival to ensure he keeps that status.

I don't believe he's capable of loving anyone else but himself or even respecting their accomplishments. More likely, he'd feel burning jealousy and hatred towards anyone that could do something he himself couldn't do. Because of this, Matt/Matt is really the only realistic pairing I see him in.

What could be more interesting, though, is if he had a split personality. The game seems to imply that he adopts the "innocent, idiotic" pop star facade to keep people blind to his true personality, but it would be a lot of fun to play with if he really did have two personalities.
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I wouldn't be surprised it that was an old topic burried in the Defendant's lobby.


Yup

If you have a specific debate to discuss that isn't pairings, you can always make a new topic for it. But this area is just for pairings (hence my guilt earlier about getting OT :adrian: )
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I just thought of a very... debatable pairing. Larry x Iris post T&T, yay or nay? I mean, Larry is obviously deeply infatuated with her - even if it is kinda stalkerish in the beginning seeing as she doesn't even know they're "dating"... But Larry does seem to be a genuinely sweet guy underneath the spazziness, and Iris seems to be the patient, understanding person who would be able to cope with his crazy moods and general nuttiness (and besides, after Dahlia, anything's easy right? :P) Thoughts anyone?
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Yeah...I don't think it's feasible. Certainly possible, but just not probable. That's all...

And plus, Iris would probably only choose Larry if Phoenix openly rejected her.
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And it's allready been debated here.
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I just thought of a very... debatable pairing. Larry x Iris post T&T, yay or nay? I mean, Larry is obviously deeply infatuated with her - even if it is kinda stalkerish in the beginning seeing as she doesn't even know they're "dating"... But Larry does seem to be a genuinely sweet guy underneath the spazziness, and Iris seems to be the patient, understanding person who would be able to cope with his crazy moods and general nuttiness (and besides, after Dahlia, anything's easy right? :P) Thoughts anyone?


Are you Larry/Iris fan?!? If so then high five! :will: It's one of my favorite pairings. :godot: If you want to see a good debate about it, Taffy and I had quite a long discussion a few pages back, on 23 I think, though it might be a little earlier. If you have something to add, though, I'd love to hear your point of view. Personally, I love both Larry/Iris and Phoenix/Iris and can see both of them happening post 3-5. I think everyone's heard enough of my opinion on the topic though, lol.

So no one wants to debate Matt/Matt then? :maya:
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Yeah...I don't think it's feasible. Certainly possible, but just not probable. That's all...

And plus, Iris would probably only choose Larry if Phoenix openly rejected her.


Please don't say "probably," say "in my opinion." : / I strongly disagree with that idea.

I'd like to think Iris and Phoenix would have mutually decided to "move on." I didn't see Iris expressing any strong desire to rekindle a relationship at all and was just looking to settle something from the past. Your first love doesn't have to be your only love.

I'd say Larry/Iris is more plausible than Phoenix/Iris in the future. Though Larry seems to "get along" with a lot of women, when he finds one he likes, he stays with her. He's actually a really nice guy who is devoted to the ones he loves (whether you find that creepy or romantic is completely subjective). They're both idealistic and try to help others (though both fail horribly). Larry is somebody who loves to give a girl all the attention in the world, and Iris, seeming to be the kind of person who isn't always in the centre of attention, might appreciate (or be confused by) the change. It's a cute couple, but I prefer others mostly because I think Larry could do better.

I'd debate Matt/Matt, but the thing is... I don't really know how I'd debate it. I don't see him being all sexual and crushing on himself, but I do agree with him "loving" only himself. I agree with you, but I'm not sure about all that you are saying and if I agree with that or not, it's kind of an iffy debating area.
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Delcatty wrote:
I just thought of a very... debatable pairing. Larry x Iris post T&T, yay or nay? I mean, Larry is obviously deeply infatuated with her - even if it is kinda stalkerish in the beginning seeing as she doesn't even know they're "dating"... But Larry does seem to be a genuinely sweet guy underneath the spazziness, and Iris seems to be the patient, understanding person who would be able to cope with his crazy moods and general nuttiness (and besides, after Dahlia, anything's easy right? :P) Thoughts anyone?

See my post earlier :) There's.. potential
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I just thought of a very... debatable pairing. Larry x Iris post T&T, yay or nay? I mean, Larry is obviously deeply infatuated with her - even if it is kinda stalkerish in the beginning seeing as she doesn't even know they're "dating"... But Larry does seem to be a genuinely sweet guy underneath the spazziness, and Iris seems to be the patient, understanding person who would be able to cope with his crazy moods and general nuttiness (and besides, after Dahlia, anything's easy right? :P) Thoughts anyone?

See my post earlier :) There's.. potential


You deserve ten cookies for that. :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie:

Larry/Iris 4ever!!!!

Here's another cute pairing: Bat/Franziska.

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They could meet in 2-4, while Franny's in the hospital due to her being shot. While she's there, Bat could reawake from his coma...

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Here's another cute pairing: Bat/Franziska.

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They could meet in 2-4, while Franny's in the hospital due to her being shot. While she's there, Bat could reawake from his coma...


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And Franziska would never commit to a likely crippled partner in a serious relationship. She wouldn't have the time nor the interest for that.
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Platinum Skye wrote:
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Here's another cute pairing: Bat/Franziska.

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They could meet in 2-4, while Franny's in the hospital due to her being shot. While she's there, Bat could reawake from his coma...


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And Franziska would never commit to a likely crippled partner in a serious relationship. She wouldn't have the time nor the interest for that.


I dunno. People who have no intrest in you romantically seems to be a turn on for Bat.
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Fran/Bat

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Not sure what's "cute" about an emotionally stunted 18 year old girl and and older guy waking up from a coma to discover his brother murdered their foster father and is now in prison, in part because of said emotionally stunted 18 year old girl...!? If Bat were to wake up he would need therapy, not a whipping. I just can't see Fran as emotionally nurishing.

If you were to assume they could get together later, after he's recovered physically and come to terms with his situation/brother/etc... well we still know almost nothing about him, so the relationship dynamic would depend entirely on the individual imagining it, leaving us with not much to debate!

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Not sure what's "cute" about an emotionally stunted 18 year old girl and and older guy waking up from a coma to discover his brother murdered their foster father and is now in prison, in part because of said emotionally stunted 18 year old girl...!? If Bat were to wake up he would need therapy, not a whipping. I just can't see Fran as emotionally nurishing.

If you were to assume they could get together later, after he's recovered physically and come to terms with his situation/brother/etc... well we still know almost nothing about him, so the relationship dynamic would depend entirely on the individual imagining it, leaving us with not much to debate!


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Bro murdered? I didn't think Acro was killed. Plus Bat after having a lion om nom nom on his head is going to be....disfigured to say the least if he wakes up. Not something 'perfect' Fransiska would find appealing I imagine. Plus knowing Fransiska she'd be doing everything she possibly could to get out of hospital. I can picture her fighting with the orderlies saying she's fine and leaving early to get the vital 2-4 evidence to Phoenix Wright. To me this is just another unbased, randomly thrown together pairing.

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Fran/Bat

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Not sure what's "cute" about an emotionally stunted 18 year old girl and and older guy waking up from a coma to discover his brother murdered their foster father and is now in prison, in part because of said emotionally stunted 18 year old girl...!? If Bat were to wake up he would need therapy, not a whipping. I just can't see Fran as emotionally nurishing.

If you were to assume they could get together later, after he's recovered physically and come to terms with his situation/brother/etc... well we still know almost nothing about him, so the relationship dynamic would depend entirely on the individual imagining it, leaving us with not much to debate!


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Bro murdered? I didn't think Acro was killed. Plus Bat after having a lion om nom nom on his head is going to be....disfigured to say the least if he wakes up. Not something 'perfect' Fransiska would find appealing I imagine. Plus knowing Fransiska she'd be doing everything she possibly could to get out of hospital. I can picture her fighting with the orderlies saying she's fine and leaving early to get the vital 2-4 evidence to Phoenix Wright. To me this is just another unbased, randomly thrown together pairing.


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"waking up from a coma to discover his brother murdered their foster father and is now in prison"

She was obviously talking about the crime Arco committed. You know, the one that is revealed at the the end of the case in the least epic break down in Ace Attorney history.

It's definitely a random pairing. I'm not sure fan fiction could make me ship this since we know so little about Bat.

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Herr Blondie wrote:
To me this is just another unbased, randomly thrown together pairing.


Most of the pairings we discuss on here are not canon, so I don't think it's fair to discount a pairing just because they're "less based" than others. Just because two characters don't meet in canon doesn't mean we can't discuss their possible chemistry. But it's difficult with victim characters who don't appear in the games at all, because we have no canon behavior to base arguments on. I bet it'd be possible to write a future story with Bat/Franziska but you'd have to make up a LOT about Bat to the point where it might as well be an original character. Fun for a fic, but not easy to debate.

On the other hand, I've seen a lot of people talking about Wocky/Pearl lately (whether to say they like or hate it). They've never met in canon but we know a lot about both of them from the games. I don't think Pearl is necessarily Wocky's type--he likes quiet, sweet girls that are looking for a big strong man to look after them, and Pearl can more than take care of herself. Buuuut on the other hand I don't think Wocky's opinion of girls is all that healthy, so maybe a strong, independant girl is just what he needs to see women as equals rather than needing protection.
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To me this is just another unbased, randomly thrown together pairing.[/quote/]

On the other hand, I've seen a lot of people talking about Wocky/Pearl lately (whether to say they like or hate it). They've never met in canon but we know a lot about both of them from the games. I don't think Pearl is necessarily Wocky's type--he likes quiet, sweet girls that are looking for a big strong man to look after them, and Pearl can more than take care of herself. Buuuut on the other hand I don't think Wocky's opinion of girls is all that healthy, so maybe a strong, independant girl is just what he needs to see women as equals rather than needing protection.


I agree Croik Pearls wouldn't be woki type he's much more compatible with some one shy and timid who doesn't know much about men ala vera. However the other reason I think this pairing would never work is because walki wouldn't be pearls type either. Pearls is looking for that prince charming type and will not settle for anything less than her ideal man so some childish gangster would be out of the question. Pearls is incredibly mature for her age and I think by the time she was 18(?) she would consider waki to be too childish and immature.
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Pearls is looking for that prince charming type and will not settle for anything less than her ideal man so some childish gangster would be out of the question. Pearls is incredibly mature for her age and I think by the time she was 18(?) she would consider waki to be too childish and immature.


Pearls is mature for her age in a lot of ways, but dealing with men and relationships isn't one of them, as far as I see it. For a nine year old girl, wanting a handsome, perfect Prince Charming isn't maturity, it's the norm, and it's an expectation she's going to have to let go of if she's ever going to have a long-term, meaningful relationship.

Not that she has to settle for Wocky, of course.
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Fran/Bat

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Not sure what's "cute" about an emotionally stunted 18 year old girl and and older guy waking up from a coma to discover his brother murdered their foster father and is now in prison, in part because of said emotionally stunted 18 year old girl...!? If Bat were to wake up he would need therapy, not a whipping. I just can't see Fran as emotionally nurishing.

If you were to assume they could get together later, after he's recovered physically and come to terms with his situation/brother/etc... well we still know almost nothing about him, so the relationship dynamic would depend entirely on the individual imagining it, leaving us with not much to debate!


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Bro murdered? I didn't think Acro was killed. Plus Bat after having a lion om nom nom on his head is going to be....disfigured to say the least if he wakes up. Not something 'perfect' Fransiska would find appealing I imagine. Plus knowing Fransiska she'd be doing everything she possibly could to get out of hospital. I can picture her fighting with the orderlies saying she's fine and leaving early to get the vital 2-4 evidence to Phoenix Wright. To me this is just another unbased, randomly thrown together pairing.


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"waking up from a coma to discover his brother murdered their foster father and is now in prison"

She was obviously talking about the crime Arco committed. You know, the one that is revealed at the the end of the case in the least epic break down in Ace Attorney history.

It's definitely a random pairing. I'm not sure fan fiction could make me ship this since we know so little about Bat.


About the cuteness, I was referring to possible fluffy moments between Bat & Franziska. Anyway, they could be good together, since they both lost their fathers (I guess Russell Berry could be like Bat's father...)

Oh well, that's all I have to say. *goes and hides*
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Croik wrote:
jamie gumshoe wrote:
Pearls is looking for that prince charming type and will not settle for anything less than her ideal man so some childish gangster would be out of the question. Pearls is incredibly mature for her age and I think by the time she was 18(?) she would consider waki to be too childish and immature.


Pearls is mature for her age in a lot of ways, but dealing with men and relationships isn't one of them, as far as I see it. For a nine year old girl, wanting a handsome, perfect Prince Charming isn't maturity, it's the norm, and it's an expectation she's going to have to let go of if she's ever going to have a long-term, meaningful relationship.

Not that she has to settle for Wocky, of course.
Yah that's a good point but feel like she at least has an idea of what she wants and that's a pretty good start for a nine year old than just wanting a boy who looks like zak or cody. In my opinion it's better to want the best than the worst so at least she isn't totaly unhealthy she'll just have to realize that guys aren't princes over time which is a thing that comes with age. But she'll never settle for someone like wocki in my opinion he's just not reliable enough for her.
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jamie gumshoe wrote:
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jamie gumshoe wrote:
Pearls is looking for that prince charming type and will not settle for anything less than her ideal man so some childish gangster would be out of the question. Pearls is incredibly mature for her age and I think by the time she was 18(?) she would consider waki to be too childish and immature.


Pearls is mature for her age in a lot of ways, but dealing with men and relationships isn't one of them, as far as I see it. For a nine year old girl, wanting a handsome, perfect Prince Charming isn't maturity, it's the norm, and it's an expectation she's going to have to let go of if she's ever going to have a long-term, meaningful relationship.

Not that she has to settle for Wocky, of course.
Yah that's a good point but feel like she at least has an idea of what she wants and that's a pretty good start for a nine year old than just wanting a boy who looks like zak or cody. In my opinion it's better to want the best than the worst so at least she isn't totaly unhealthy she'll just have to realize that guys aren't princes over time which is a thing that comes with age. But she'll never settle for someone like wocki in my opinion he's just not reliable enough for her.


Well, still 7 years is a long time. Anything can happen. Remember the Pearl we know is pre-pre-teen Pearl. A lot of things could change with her character. Heck, if there's one thing that will probably carry over is that she's a bit of a tomboy (her aggresiveness). So in that approach, someone like Wocky would be quite appropiate.
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But she'll never settle for someone like wocki in my opinion he's just not reliable enough for her.


Not reliable? I guess it depends on if you're talking about Wocky pre or post 4-2. Either way, what we know of his love life all centers around Alita: he fell in love quickly, showered her with gifts, and took on the attitude that it was his job to take care of her. He seemed ready to give Alita the world, so even though he has poor judgment and is pretty shallow, at least he means well.

I don't think Pearl would like his thug side, but remember she's got a little thug in her too! She's used to punching and slapping people who do things she doesn't like. It can be kind of funny when she's 9, but if she doesn't drop that habit by the time she's 15 she could be in trouble!

(I think it would be hilarious if Pearl slapped a girl, and ended up in detention. Wocky would see her in a whole new light, lol :pearl: )

And even if Wocky has a shady background, he does have something Pearl never had: a stable, loving family. A traditional family even. What could be better for Pearl than having Plum and Winfred as in-laws? I'm sure they'd adore her, and at least she wouldn't have to explain her traditional upbringing to, say, Cody's parents (or whoever).

The more I think about it, the more I think it could work...
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