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CatMuto wrote:
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Exactly, I agree about Godot and the marjority of what you said about Acro and Godot, but still, if we consider von Karma, Gant, Kristoph and company "villains", then it's a bit of a stretch to put these two at the same category, I think...
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He seemed like a people person at first, he was fun and funny. Then he slowly showed his true colors, and like Von Karma, he set the mood for this case. And I give him props for him being a hard boss in court.Spoiler: 2-3
I like Acro for being different a different type of "villian." And even though he was arguably one of the sweetest characters in the game, he was still human. The only villian besides Ini that I felt sorry for, especially since he accidently killed the man he loved as a father. However, regardless of this, I still think Acro deserved that guilty sentence.Spoiler: 3-2
He's funny, I think he would've been a cool protagonist if he wasn't such a jerk.Spoiler: 4-4
Kristoph is hot! And even though him getting revenge on Phoenix just because he couldn't take a certain case was stupid the rest of the stuff he planned was really good.
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Although the fact that he took Edgeworth under his wing was always a bit weird, especially considering his whole... "plan" in that regard...
"That damn Edgeworth! How dare he ruin my perfect record by getting me a penalty! Just you wait, you snivelling bag of glass-wipes! If I see you again, I'll shoot you - I'll shoot you like the damn dog you are...! And your son... yeah, I'll take your son under my wing and make him into a perfect Prosecutor! Haha, that'll ruin your after-life, my friend, knowing your dear son has become a prosecutor! Ahahaha... I'm so ingeniously evil!"
Another villain I like, but only in one single, is Dahlia...
But only in Case 3-4, because she actually kind of... succeeded. I know that in 3-5, she gets mocked because after the fake kidnapping, she supposedly got into a downward spiral of bad luck and kept having to kill people.
I don't think so.
Spoiler: In 3-4...
But aside from that case, Dahlia really is a failure... I mean, in 3-5, when that channeling-reveal happened (you know the one. You know, that obvious one!) I was expecting her to run off and throw herself off the roof. Or maybe grab a bailiff's gun and shoot herself. Anything, to kill the host body. What does she do?
Just stands there and lets them mock her.
Fucking idiot, that Dahlia...
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But since Dahlia isn't good at getting rid of dead bodies (Valarie) that's impossible. -_-
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And something just clicked in my mind, if Von Karma didn't take Miles in...Miles would be like batman. Billionaire by day, crime fighter by night...think about it.
Hehe. I've seen some Phoenix Wrong's where Edgey is used for Batman scenes and/or Songs.
Dahlia could've been a really, really good and creepy villain. But Capcom failed at that. Just like they did with Kristoph - he became a murderer because of hurt pride which.... really is a very dumb reason to kill somebody. Just plain stupid.
I would've liked Dahlia more if she really had attempted to kill her host body upon finding out the truth. At least that would've shown her to be even worse than she was before.
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CatMuto wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
And something just clicked in my mind, if Von Karma didn't take Miles in...Miles would be like batman. Billionaire by day, crime fighter by night...think about it.
Hehe. I've seen some Phoenix Wrong's where Edgey is used for Batman scenes and/or Songs.
Dahlia could've been a really, really good and creepy villain. But Capcom failed at that. Just like they did with Kristoph - he became a murderer because of hurt pride which.... really is a very dumb reason to kill somebody. Just plain stupid.
I would've liked Dahlia more if she really had attempted to kill her host body upon finding out the truth. At least that would've shown her to be even worse than she was before.
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Took me that long to realize that Edgeworth could've been perfect as batman, I just thought Matt Engarde would make the perfect Joker since he has zero motivation of all the stuff he did, he just likes to hurt other people for his own amusement.
Dahlia stabbing the host body would've hurt herself, she usually perfers other people taking hits for her, but that would be suspenseful, probably might make me like T&T better. But talking to you about T&T is giving me more reasons why T&T is my least favorite.
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Emiko Gale wrote:
Dahlia stabbing the host body would've hurt herself, she usually perfers other people taking hits for her, but that would be suspenseful, probably might make me like T&T better. But talking to you about T&T is giving me more reasons why T&T is my least favorite.
T&T isn't my favorite AA game, either. I said it before, it feels like a cheap excuse to explain more and more about the Fey Clan. Maybe it's just me, but did anybody care to learn more about the Kurain Channeling Technique when we already learned that works and several other rules about it previously - like, a medium cannot have a 'dream' while channeling. Channeling a living person doesn't work.
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CatMuto wrote:
Emiko Gale wrote:
Dahlia stabbing the host body would've hurt herself, she usually perfers other people taking hits for her, but that would be suspenseful, probably might make me like T&T better. But talking to you about T&T is giving me more reasons why T&T is my least favorite.
T&T isn't my favorite AA game, either. I said it before, it feels like a cheap excuse to explain more and more about the Fey Clan. Maybe it's just me, but did anybody care to learn more about the Kurain Channeling Technique when we already learned that works and several other rules about it previously - like, a medium cannot have a 'dream' while channeling. Channeling a living person doesn't work.
Spoiler: Getting rid of the host body
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A bit too morbid for an AA game
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But I will say it again.
If she had at least attempted that or something, Dahlia would've gone down as a really frightening, threatening villain in the AA Verse. Until Kristoph appears, I suppose, but I don't find him very threatening...
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True, although this is a game about brutal murders, with heads getting bashed in, stabbing and gunshot wounds. It sort of doesn't make sense to make things a little more light-hearted... then again, if Grape Juice is Grape Juice in the original...
But I will say it again.
If she had at least attempted that or something, Dahlia would've gone down as a really frightening, threatening villain in the AA Verse. Until Kristoph appears, I suppose, but I don't find him very threatening...
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But I will say it again.
If she had at least attempted that or something, Dahlia would've gone down as a really frightening, threatening villain in the AA Verse. Until Kristoph appears, I suppose, but I don't find him very threatening...
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That skull inside his patched up hand was pretty creepy though. And his breakdown is probably what I would consider one of the creepiest breakdowns ever.
And I kind of wish they would be a tad bit more creative with the murders. I once had an idea of someone being murdered by being drowned in a bathtub, and the suspect happened to be the plumber who unfortunately was at the house that day. (A reference to Mario and Luigi.) I would put this in fanfiction form but I'm not the best writer in the world and the idea of making a murder mystery seems overwelming. And I'm not as brillient as whoever writes the murder cases for the Ace Attorney games.
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True... either you're shot, stabbed, poisoned or bashed over the head.
I would've liked to see hanging (or strangulation) in non-suicide cases, drowning, burning, beheading...
And it isn't very hard to write an AA kind-of case.
I mean not everything has to be elaborate as the Detective Conan cases - cause some of those really make no sense at times...
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CatMuto wrote:
Eh, if I tried and strained my muscles, I'm sure I could have a creepy face in my hand.
True... either you're shot, stabbed, poisoned or bashed over the head.
I would've liked to see hanging (or strangulation) in non-suicide cases, drowning, burning, beheading...
And it isn't very hard to write an AA kind-of case.
I mean not everything has to be elaborate as the Detective Conan cases - cause some of those really make no sense at times...
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True... either you're shot, stabbed, poisoned or bashed over the head.
I would've liked to see hanging (or strangulation) in non-suicide cases, drowning, burning, beheading...
And it isn't very hard to write an AA kind-of case.
I mean not everything has to be elaborate as the Detective Conan cases - cause some of those really make no sense at times...
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Well when making an AA case you need to ask the who why and what, and I suck at making original characters and breathing life into them. And I haven't watched Detective Conan/Case Closed in a long time because of real life stuff and other animes I'm watching...and it's hard to find episodes.
Thanks for the advice though, I'll keep it in mind.
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And it involved pun names... Ann Arky, hehe.
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Spoiler: scary
The one nintendo final boss that gave me nightmares.
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If only the game had given her a chance...
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Yes, I love Dahlia Hawthorne.
And, yes, you can question my sanity.
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Yes, I love Dahlia Hawthorne.
I bow down to you. Amen.
The beginning was quite fun, just with all the ups and downs
But suddenly, we’re tired, from a waste of meaningless emotions
But suddenly, we’re tired, from a waste of meaningless emotions
시작은 뭐 즐거웠었네 오르락내리락 그 자체로 어느새 서로 지쳐버렸네 의미 없는 감정소모에
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GS1
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I mean he's scary but then pretty likeable at the same time, which probably makes him more scary. And unlike von Karma I believe his motivations for murder a helluva lot more.GS2
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GS3
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AAI
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GS4
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Arghh I so wanna find out the villains to GS5 and Layton/Phoenix games...If ^ that lot are anything to go by, they are gonna be awesome!
Oh and AAI2 (if that will ever exist over here!)
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for surehe felt like the real deal. His voice, his presence, his perfect record and his goddam demeanor in court was really intimidating. And he would keep on objecting at Feenie
and he really did a number of Edgy, i mean he would have been a defense lawyer if daddy edgeworth had lived
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The top five became:5. The culprit of case 1-5
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Hello.4. The case 3-5 killer
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Even though I wouldn't really say he's a "villain".3. The DL-6 (1-4) killer
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He's not always "number one".2. The 2-4 culprit
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Guiiiiiltyyyyyyyyyy.1. Tie between the final boss of GS4 and the one of GK2
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The more realistic villain IMO is Matt Engarde. One character is good when we can find examples of their personality in real life, and Matt Engarde is the pure archetype of the rich, scumbag, "pretty" and famous guy.
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I just clicked on a spoiler... oh well.
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...so did I. Damn.
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I agree about Kristoph as it occured to me only yesterday that the reason Phoenix went on his secret mission probably was to get his hands (figuratively speaking) on Kristoph.
In my opinion, the best villains are those that are super-creepy, evil, (and preferably at least a tad insane) but that you just can't help but like in a way, even if you don't want to. Mixed emotions is a win. That's probably the reason why the number 3 in my list only made it to number 3- because even though he's great as a villain, there's not a part in him that I like.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Bummer, you guys. Bummer.
Um, you are the one who put an image of the Big Bad of GK2 into your post. Granted it was in a spoiler tag, but you could have very easily just listed your villains without adding spoiler tags for each of their sprites. Simply saying "Big Bad of GK2" without the image would've not told us why you like the big bad, but heck: that's what we play the game for!
Spoiler: My first impression of GK2's Big Bad's Sprite
As for Kristoph, I don't know, I just can't take him seriously as a villain. His reason for all his villany stuff is simply because of petty hurt pride. He's acting like a giant baby, throwing a huge tantrum because his pride got hurt - I swear, Kristoph seems to me like he'd be hurt if you hit him with a marshmallow.
I don't know if I've said it before, but I don't think any of the bigger villains in the GS games or even GK games was all that interesting. Or intimidating. The only one I can sort of take seriously is Karma and while he, too, murdered because of hurt pride, at least he did it in a way that it was somewhat hard to pin any murder on him and he did evil things to Edgeworth, too.
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As for Kristoph, I don't know, I just can't take him seriously as a villain. His reason for all his villany stuff is simply because of petty hurt pride. He's acting like a giant baby, throwing a huge tantrum because his pride got hurt - I swear, Kristoph seems to me like he'd be hurt if you hit him with a marshmallow.
I don't know if I've said it before, but I don't think any of the bigger villains in the GS games or even GK games was all that interesting. Or intimidating. The only one I can sort of take seriously is Karma and while he, too, murdered because of hurt pride, at least he did it in a way that it was somewhat hard to pin any murder on him and he did evil things to Edgeworth, too.
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I don't know if I've said it before, but I don't think any of the bigger villains in the GS games or even GK games was all that interesting. Or intimidating. The only one I can sort of take seriously is Karma and while he, too, murdered because of hurt pride, at least he did it in a way that it was somewhat hard to pin any murder on him and he did evil things to Edgeworth, too.
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I agree that his reasons are crap, but this still doesn't change the fact that Phoenix needed forged evidence and a new judicial system to catch him... And I dunno, while I think the villains in GS games are very simplistic, murderers in real life are rather simplistic too. People kill each other for shit reasons, changing this in the games would feel probably forced and unrealistic.
But... Yeah, maybe Kristoph's reason is a bit too stupid... Even Alita Tiala's reason is somewhat more complex.
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CatMuto wrote:
GoingforMiles wrote:
Bummer, you guys. Bummer.
Um, you are the one who put an image of the Big Bad of GK2 into your post. Granted it was in a spoiler tag, but you could have very easily just listed your villains without adding spoiler tags for each of their sprites. Simply saying "Big Bad of GK2" without the image would've not told us why you like the big bad, but heck: that's what we play the game for!
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Um, you were the one who clicked it? I listed my villains very non-spoilery and added images, in spoiler tags just for fun, and as it said "final boss of GK2" directly above that spoiler tag, you didn't have to click it. What the hell did you expect to find? And it wasn't even the first spoiler tag, after, I presume, you'd clicked the other four spoiler tags and found -tadaa- pictures of the villains listed, I thought it wasn't that hard to figure out it was going to be a picture in that spoiler tag as well. Well excuuuse me princess.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Bummer, you guys. Bummer.
Oui! I didn't want to get spoiled there, I read it far too sloppily and just clicked... Ah, bummer, bummer indeed.
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WaitingforGodot wrote:
bummer, bummer indeed.
Which I might add, was an expression of my compassion and not a snarky remark, in case someone misunderstood that.
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