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Who actually considers yaoi to be "evil"? I mean, seriously, I can understand not liking it, because I don't like yaoi, but calling it "evil" makes you sound like some kind of crazy Southern preacher who goes around smacking people in the head with the POWER OF CHRIST.
I could point the finger at certain members at deviant art, but I will keep it to myself... heh heh. XD
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Dude, you kinda were wasting your time from the start, no offense, considering this topic and all. >.>
Now then...
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Morinozuka Takashi wrote:
mario2000 wrote:
Who actually considers yaoi to be "evil"? I mean, seriously, I can understand not liking it, because I don't like yaoi, but calling it "evil" makes you sound like some kind of crazy Southern preacher who goes around smacking people in the head with the POWER OF CHRIST.
I could point the finger at certain members at deviant art, but I will keep it to myself... heh heh. XD
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Dude, you kinda were wasting your time from the start, no offense, considering this topic and all. >.>
Well... technically I wasn't arguing that Edgeworth isn't gay [I mean... really... not even I'm crazy enough to argue that]. I thought I had a hope, then I realized I forgot that it's impossible to argue a negative.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Way to completely, COMPLETELY miss my point.
Even if you don't think they're a couple, which is certainly your right, you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that the relationship between Phoenix and Edgeworth is one of the most complex, dynamic, and developed in the ENTIRE SERIES. Whether romantic or platonic, the two are fiercely connected to one another.
Ergo, it's much less of a stretch to pair them together romantically than it is two characters who appear in completely seperate games and who have NEVER MET outside of somebody's imagination. They're not connected at all. There is NOTHING tying them together (as opposed to the most developed relationship in the series).
Even if you don't think they're a couple, which is certainly your right, you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that the relationship between Phoenix and Edgeworth is one of the most complex, dynamic, and developed in the ENTIRE SERIES. Whether romantic or platonic, the two are fiercely connected to one another.
Ergo, it's much less of a stretch to pair them together romantically than it is two characters who appear in completely seperate games and who have NEVER MET outside of somebody's imagination. They're not connected at all. There is NOTHING tying them together (as opposed to the most developed relationship in the series).
In case you haven't realized, Morgan and Dee met in prison. Everybody knows that. Ask Darzie and CI.
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Got my NaruMitsu doujins scanned and now trying to get them up and uploaded on Megauplaod! I'm in the works of scanning my Phoenix/Godot doujin.. anyone interested in seeing that one, too? =3
Got my NaruMitsu doujins scanned and now trying to get them up and uploaded on Megauplaod! I'm in the works of scanning my Phoenix/Godot doujin.. anyone interested in seeing that one, too? =3
Always.
Anything you got, I want. Well, this place is getting contentious...
I think Phoenix and Edgeworth are a viable couple. Their relationship holds so much trust and care.
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Dee Vasquez wrote:
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Way to completely, COMPLETELY miss my point.
Even if you don't think they're a couple, which is certainly your right, you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that the relationship between Phoenix and Edgeworth is one of the most complex, dynamic, and developed in the ENTIRE SERIES. Whether romantic or platonic, the two are fiercely connected to one another.
Ergo, it's much less of a stretch to pair them together romantically than it is two characters who appear in completely seperate games and who have NEVER MET outside of somebody's imagination. They're not connected at all. There is NOTHING tying them together (as opposed to the most developed relationship in the series).
Even if you don't think they're a couple, which is certainly your right, you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that the relationship between Phoenix and Edgeworth is one of the most complex, dynamic, and developed in the ENTIRE SERIES. Whether romantic or platonic, the two are fiercely connected to one another.
Ergo, it's much less of a stretch to pair them together romantically than it is two characters who appear in completely seperate games and who have NEVER MET outside of somebody's imagination. They're not connected at all. There is NOTHING tying them together (as opposed to the most developed relationship in the series).
In case you haven't realized, Morgan and Dee met in prison. Everybody knows that. Ask Darzie and CI.
In case you haven't realized, you completely made that up and there's nothing, EVER, in the game to support it :D
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What he said.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Dee Vasquez wrote:
CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Way to completely, COMPLETELY miss my point.
Even if you don't think they're a couple, which is certainly your right, you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that the relationship between Phoenix and Edgeworth is one of the most complex, dynamic, and developed in the ENTIRE SERIES. Whether romantic or platonic, the two are fiercely connected to one another.
Ergo, it's much less of a stretch to pair them together romantically than it is two characters who appear in completely seperate games and who have NEVER MET outside of somebody's imagination. They're not connected at all. There is NOTHING tying them together (as opposed to the most developed relationship in the series).
Even if you don't think they're a couple, which is certainly your right, you'd be a fool to ignore the fact that the relationship between Phoenix and Edgeworth is one of the most complex, dynamic, and developed in the ENTIRE SERIES. Whether romantic or platonic, the two are fiercely connected to one another.
Ergo, it's much less of a stretch to pair them together romantically than it is two characters who appear in completely seperate games and who have NEVER MET outside of somebody's imagination. They're not connected at all. There is NOTHING tying them together (as opposed to the most developed relationship in the series).
In case you haven't realized, Morgan and Dee met in prison. Everybody knows that. Ask Darzie and CI.
In case you haven't realized, you completely made that up and there's nothing, EVER, in the game to support it :D
Did I ask for evidence?
To sleep pretends to dream...Seriously.
People in this world can support non canon parings, in case you didn't know. Which you don't, it seems. Is Lotta Bunny real? No. Does Makoto support Franny or Adrian? Not in the canon world, but in your mind, yes.
Is a paring between Dee Vasquez and Morgan Fey canon? No. But I support it. And in my mind it's a paring.
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I have no problems with non-canon pairings.... but they have to make sense. It's one of my huge problems with stuff like the HP Fandom where you have random couplings like... hell, I don't know, Lucius Malfoy x Professor McGonagall. Random stuff that's just pulled out of complete NOWHERE. Non-canon pairings with BASIS in canon? If you can support it, sure.
Two minor, boring side characters with absolutely no relation to one another other than the fact that they may have known each other in prison (if Dee even WENT to prison, it was self-defense)... that's just a stretch.
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I support what I want to support, and I don't need you badgering me on what's canon and non canon.
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MoogleGunner wrote:
And, IIRC, Nick was already working to change his major to Law anyway. He wanted to be a Lawyer since he was little, Apparently being a "genius" doesn't actually get you into a pre-Law major at Phamous U.
This is not true. Phoenix had no intentions of becoming a lawyer until he put together, based on rumors, that Edgeworth needed his help and becoming a lawyer was the only way he would be able to talk to him.
His original major in college was fine arts, and we know from creator interviews that the idea fueling that was that Phoenix's career aspirations at the time had nothing to do with law.
He became a lawyer to meet Edgeworth. You don't have to read that as him being in love with Edgeworth--I don't think he was, either, at the time--but he chose to become a defense attorney because of Edgeworth, the way he inspired him. He became a lawyer, as opposed to his original intentions, for Edgeworth, to meet him again and save him. This is laid out in GS1, and multiple times in GS3 by Phoenix and Edgeworth themselves.
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CantFaketheFunk wrote:
Two minor, boring side characters with absolutely no relation to one another other than the fact that they may have known each other in prison (if Dee even WENT to prison, it was self-defense)... that's just a stretch.
Awww, Dee isn't boring. I <3 Dee.
Well, people will like what they like. If someone wants to debate, that's one thing, but personally, I can't really say anything about enjoying the idea of flinging together two characters who have never met. I certainly wouldn't turn down a well-written Kyouya/Fran fic, and you can't get much more random than that. ^^;
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No way in hell am I debating, though. XD I'm just here to read and look at the pictures. XD
Although, I will say that people do indeed have their own likes and fandoms, no matter how random and non-canon they are. However, there is a limit to how random people can get. XD I mean, something like MilesxPhoenix or MilesxGumshoe does make sense and I have no problem with that, but if someone just went, 'OMG, FranxHotti FTW.' [which is a conclusion that only someone ridiculously wasted can come to] then I've got a problem. XD
I mean, if you can provide at least a shred of evidence that proves how the people being paired up even have a chance of becoming romantically involved [and not something completely retarded as an answer, or just one bit of information they have to back up the pairing] then I won't question it. [That's just how I am, I guess. I don't really like getting into debates with people unless they're being completely rude and retarded about it.]
So yeah.
...That's how I feel about it, at least. [But, by all means, go back to the debating; I liked reading what people had to say. XD]
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Meanwhile, with, say, Maya/Fran, (<33333) you're more free to speculate as to how their personalities might bounce without so many of the trappings of an established relationship to deal with.
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Richard Wellington and Hondobou, though? If I started shipping them... wtf?
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(Kyouya and Fran, on the other hand... doot doot doot doot, doot doot doot)
But no, I do understand what you mean--I almost always need SOME kind of basis in canon to get interested, myself. But I also understand the appeal of toying with different character personalities, even if they've never met and have no interaction. Actually trying to argue for and discuss canon basis and plausibility is one thing, just saying "I like the idea of this/this would be fun" is another--even if it is Wellington/Armstrong.
(Which would be hilarious, by the way. What, you can't just see poor Richard's FACE when confronted by that?)
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Raelle wrote:
Well, when it comes to two characters who haven't met, or have limited interaction in canon, I actually think there are upsides to being interested in them as opposed to pairings with heavy canon interaction. For example, Phoenix and Maya's relationship is so established and stable and so devoid of romantic subtext (to me) despite them being with each other so much--that the fact that they ARE together so much and there are no hints of something even starting between them is actually pretty damning. With those two, I can't say "I bet that if Maya's life were put in danger, Phoenix would realize his deeper feelings for her", because the series has already demonstrated that no romantic development comes of that exact situation.
That's actually quite true, and using the impact the 2-4 case had on Phoenix as an example was a good idea. Heh; I actually felt similar to how you did on their relationship during that case. [I mean, I thought of Phoenix's caring for Maya as more of a fatherly or brotherly feeling than a romantic one. Or it could be that, since Mia had died, he wouldn't want anything like that to happen again to another of his closest friends. But, this isn't the time nor the topic to pursue that reasoning in, so...] Thank you for brining that up, nonetheless. :D
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Meanwhile, with, say, Maya/Fran, (<33333)
:D Yay for Maya/Fran.
...
And...this topic totally faded away from pursuing the fact if Edgeworth is gay or not, didn't it? XD [It kinda delved into debating on canon/non-canon relationships. Or something like that. XD;;]
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Richard Wellington and Hondobou, though? If I started shipping them... wtf?
Holy crap, that just made my day. XD
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Croik's One of Every Color, hosted on this site, is magnificent, of course. And I've pimped them elsewhere on the boards, but musouka's work really is spectacular; she captures their dynamic perfectly and makes it feel completely natural and compatible to canon. I really urge any fans of the couple to check out her "Struggling Against Gravity" WIP, and encourage her to continue working on it. :P
Funk, despite his protests, does a nice job handling the couple when it's required of him as well. :P Beautiful, jointly written by he and musouka, is primarily Maya/Franziska, but the P/E details in the background are really sweet, too.
For something smaller and silly, I also liked Mooncalf's Don't Bring Me Down. The writing in teh kittykat's Reveillon is extremely good.
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Although Don't Bring Me Down was the only one that I hadn't read yet... XD [And was completely and totally amusing.]
They're all really good fics. :D
...Someone should post more arts. :P
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er.. back on topic.. All right!, pals!
I come with my random PW doujin collection! Let me know of they work or not... And I apologize for anything in particular.. I am not much of a scanner. o.o
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pairing: Phoenix/Edgeworth and some Godot/Phoenix in last story
warning: Not all that work safe.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GJP3ZHTC
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6QVOLXLH
warning: Pretty tame but not too work safe in the last story/chapter.
pairing: Phoenix/Edgeworth. some bit of Kaminogi/young!Edgeworth hinting/flirting.
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warning: Pretty work-safe, only thing to mention is cross dressing involved.
pairing: Naru/Mitsu
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My (work-safe) Phoenix/Godot doujin. =D
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[And the one that I downloaded worked, so I assume the rest are a-okay. :P]
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Especially Nurse!Godot. heh heh. XD
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Nurse!Edgeworth obviously made more of an impact on Phoenix though, ne?
Haha. I'll totally share. And then I'll brag about you and your PxE doujinshi-bearing awesomeness to all of my friends. XD
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That's what REALLY went down in GS3.. only.. in a dream I had one night.
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That'd be amazing if that actually happened in GS3. I'd love Capcom forever. [And possibly forgive them for the delay. Possibly.]
Dude, I'd give to have dreams like that. XD I hardly have any PxE related dreams. D: [Hey I just might have some PxE dreams tonight, after reading this forum. XD]
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Don't mention it. Glad to be of service. ;D
Whenever we both meet, you might be lucky to see my non-PW doujin collection, too. Or better yet.. maybe in a PM in the near future. *grins wide*
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And I've pimped them elsewhere on the boards, but musouka's work really is spectacular; she captures their dynamic perfectly and makes it feel completely natural and compatible to canon. I really urge any fans of the couple to check out her "Struggling Against Gravity" WIP, and encourage her to continue working on it. :P
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As for if Edgeworth's gay or bi they certainly do drop enough teasers to keep the yaoi PW fans entertained don't they?
When GS3 comes out there will be even more pairings, I don't quite get the
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based off one of your doujin Mori? I can easily see competion going between Godot and Edgeworth for Phoenix.
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I don't see how that follows. Edgeworth, after 1-5, isn't the type of person to lie to himself about much of anything If he was gay, I'm sure he could accept it even without suddenly wanting to dash into relationships.
I never said he was lying to himself - it's just an irrelevant detail in his life.Lawrence 'Moe' Curls wrote:
If they were both women and Edgeworth behaved the exact same way? We probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now, because Edgeworth/Phoenix would be the most popular het ship in fandom. And I'd love it just as much.
That's nice. Sp why do you keep using gender as an argument?Hobo-Jake wrote:
It's a reason you came up with, not one actually implied by the game. Edgeworth himself brushes off the idea that he came back to somehow make Phoenix's perception of him better, since he accepts Phoenix's bitterness as his due and tells him "I don't hate you". Also, keep in mind how much of that was Phoenix's bitterness talking. He knew Edgeworth was alive and felt betrayed by his running off. This is a man who made it crystal clear his trust in Edgeworth was absolute back in 1-4, in no way does the game imply we're back to Turnabout Sisters level with Edgeworth when he gets back.
Let me put it this way. If Phoenix thought Edgeworth was no better than Franziska, then he wouldn'thave felt betrayed (Phoenix's own words) because Edgeworth wouldn't be worth feeling that way over.
Edgeworth calculated (when is up for speculation) that his disappearance shocked a few people, particularly those he was close with. By doing that, as you pointed out, he left them feeling confused or betrayed: thus he had something to prove - what he had to prove being the reason he left and that which he helped demonstrate to Phoenix. He even announced so at the beginning of the trial in Farewell, My Turnabout.Let me put it this way. If Phoenix thought Edgeworth was no better than Franziska, then he wouldn'thave felt betrayed (Phoenix's own words) because Edgeworth wouldn't be worth feeling that way over.
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You're not reading far enough into my arguments. Haven't you noticed I've been arguing fully from the perspective of m/f relationships? Why isn't Edgeworth caught up in all this? Well, to my mind he already is--just not with a woman. He nearly hangs up on Larry, yet charters a jet when he hears Phoenix is hurt. He takes a case only to ease Phoenix's pain. Continually pokes into Phoenix's old romantic relationships, whether by talking to other people about them or asking Phoenix's point blank what's going on. Talks a lot about how he's only there for Phoenix.
Furthermore, you can't really count Edgeworth having a relationship in all this, because even if implication were the kind he and Phoenix took (according to the maddening yaoi mob :edgey: ), it's still incomplete, isn't it? And thus, not a strong argument.
And besides, this is TnT content; you said we were going to limit it to the first two games. Filthy liar.
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That's nice. Sp why do you keep using gender as an argument?
Because, as it is, Phoenix is a guy. Edgeworth is the only male in the main cast who never shows any hint of attraction for women, but it's for a man that he breaks his veneer of professionalism; it's a man he singles out in every single game as special to him; it's a man whom the game explicitly points out that prevents him from being alone. If Phoenix was a woman, obviously, that wouldn't apply. But as is, it does.
You've got musouka's train of thought backwards. It's not "He's gay, therefore he likely doesn't seem to find women attractive and continually singles out a man as special to him", it's "He doesn't seem to find women attractive and continually singles out a man as special to him, therefore, he's likely gay."
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Edgeworth calculated (when is up for speculation) that his disappearance shocked a few people, particularly those he was close with. By doing that, as you pointed out, he left them feeling confused or betrayed: thus he had something to prove - what he had to prove being the reason he left and that which he helped demonstrate to Phoenix.
For Phoenix. It's an important distinction. He didn't come back to satisfy his own ego, or to make Phoenix think better of him--which is blatant when they first meet again. He never argues with Phoenix feeling betrayed, he agrees with Phoenix being disgusted and betrayed with him at the end.
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It's Edgeworth; again, he's a very professional man about things.
Yes, Edgeworth is very professional. His work ethic and his sense of personal honor come before everything else, almost always. Except when he throws a murder trial--for Phoenix. Except when he disrupts his own work and flies in to another country--for Phoenix. And when he engages in an illegal practice by posing as a defense attorney--for Phoenix.
You seem to be saying contradictory things here. He nearly hangs up on a friend because he's professional, but he'll disrupt his own professional work because it's a friend. Which is it?
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Furthermore, you can't really count Edgeworth having a relationship in all this, because even if implication were the kind he and Phoenix took (according to the maddening yaoi mob :edgey: ), it's still incomplete, isn't it? And thus, not a strong argument.
I'd like to respond to this, but I'm afraid I have no idea what you're actually trying to say, beyond cheerfully referring to the others in this thread as a "maddening yaoi mob". Rephrase for clarification?
And as a side note, don't listen to musouka, she has this weird thing where she's completely unable to admit her own works are extremely good. We're still working on beating it out of her. D:
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Because, as it is, Phoenix is a guy. Edgeworth is the only male in the main cast who never shows any hint of attraction for women, but it's for a man that he breaks his veneer of professionalism; it's a man he singles out in every single game as special to him; it's a man whom the game explicitly points out that prevents him from being alone. If Phoenix was a woman, obviously, that wouldn't apply. But as is, it does.
No it doesn't. It was Phoenix the person that Edgeworth befriended, was legitimately defended by, and assists/assisted. In fact, if you remove Phoenix from the game/scenario, then your arguments lose a whole lot of - if not all - content to work with.Sewer Rat #2 wrote:
You've got musouka's train of thought backwards. It's not "He's gay, therefore he likely doesn't seem to find women attractive and continually singles out a man as special to him", it's "He doesn't seem to find women attractive and continually singles out a man as special to him, therefore, he's likely gay."
Again, no I don't. I knew that's what she meant the whole time.Ellear wrote:
For Phoenix. It's an important distinction. He didn't come back to satisfy his own ego, or to make Phoenix think better of him--which is blatant when they first meet again. He never argues with Phoenix feeling betrayed, he agrees with Phoenix being disgusted and betrayed with him at the end.
I never said that that 'something to prove' was the only reason, let alone the dominant; we all know he came to help Phoenix and Franziska; Phoenix to help him understand himself what he originally showed Edgeworth, and Franziska because she couldn't escape her father's shadow.This stray cat I found and rescued the other day in a rank alley wrote:
Yes, Edgeworth is very professional. His work ethic and his sense of personal honor come before everything else, almost always. Except when he throws a murder trial--for Phoenix. Except when he disrupts his own work and flies in to another country--for Phoenix. And when he engages in an illegal practice by posing as a defense attorney--for Phoenix.
Edgeworth would throw a murder trial any day now if the defendant were innocent, we know that. It's not a case of Phoenix being the defence - Wright shook Edgeworth from his black-and-white perspective of his work, that's all. Edgeworth would still throw the case if Winston Payne/Pearl/Manfred Von Karma's reanimated corpse were the defence.As for the last two points...I'm not sure if you're referring to a TnT case via flying in to another country. And it's not like Justice For All; TnT isn't even released in Europe yet and I'd like to play it without being spoiled, thanks.
As for the third point there - again, I don't speak Japanese and I don't import. Sorry.[/quote]
The dog who was chasing said stray cat wrote:
You seem to be saying contradictory things here. He nearly hangs up on a friend because he's professional, but he'll disrupt his own professional work because it's a friend. Which is it?
I'm assuming - from a line musouka mentioned here: if I've misread then I apologise now - that Larry rang to talk about his latest girlfriend. If that's the case, then let me ask this. Have you ever heard the tale of "The boy who cried 'Wolf!'"?Phoenix is no negligent shepard like Larry: he'd only call if it were serious.
She who must not be named wrote:
I'd like to respond to this, but I'm afraid I have no idea what you're actually trying to say, beyond cheerfully referring to the others in this thread as a "maddening yaoi mob". Rephrase for clarification?
Let me put it this way; Musouka spoke about how TnT features multiple relationships of the romantic persuasion, all of them straight. She claims that because Edgeworth didn't have one means that he's gay. One of my counters is that even if that were the case, then it's still incomplete; a homosexual relationship between him and Wright hasn't been declared official. If it had, then it'd be the most disclosed fact about TnT across the internet, wouldn't it?It'd be a very vague and poorly executed contrast in a romantically bonding scenario. If anything, it stands out as a sign of comraderie - one of the long-running themes in the Phoenix Wright saga.
Is that clearer?
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One of the maddening yaoi mob wrote:
No it doesn't. It was Phoenix the person that Edgeworth befriended, was legitimately defended by, and assists/assisted. In fact, if you remove Phoenix from the game/scenario, then your arguments lose a whole lot of - if not all - content to work with.
Nope. Don't pretend that's the only prong of my argument. If Edgey was just gay for only Phoenix, then I would be arguing just that. It's one of the things that makes me think is gay. His lack of attraction to women, his closeness to men in general are also--perhaps more subtle--but nevertheless things that add to that to form a larger picture. Yes, if you took half of the picture away it wouldn't be a picture, but the fact remains that it is there and should be taken into account. If Edgeworth noted attraction to women, or behaved towards one (that isn't his "older sister") like he does Phoenix and even Gumshoe, then I would have concluded he was probably straight.
the P/E fanboy wrote:
I never said that that 'something to prove' was the only reason, let alone the dominant; we all know he came to help Phoenix and Franziska; Phoenix to help him understand himself what he originally showed Edgeworth, and Franziska because she couldn't escape her father's shadow.
Well, considering you did put it forth as a counter argument that he came to help Phoenix...
P/E kawaii bonzai sugoi desu ne? wrote:
Edgeworth would throw a murder trial any day now if the defendant were innocent, we know that. It's not a case of Phoenix being the defence - Wright shook Edgeworth from his black-and-white perspective of his work, that's all. Edgeworth would still throw the case if Winston Payne/Pearl/Manfred Von Karma's reanimated corpse were the defence.
No. He threw it to Phoenix, KNOWING Edgarde was guilty. He could have gotten his verdict right then and there--the RIGHT verdict--and he didn't.
this is my favorite thread on the board, teehee wrote:
Let me put it this way; Musouka spoke about how TnT features multiple relationships of the romantic persuasion, all of them straight. She claims that because Edgeworth didn't have one means that he's gay. One of my counters is that even if that were the case, then it's still incomplete; a homosexual relationship between him and Wright hasn't been declared official. If it had, then it'd be the most disclosed fact about TnT across the internet, wouldn't it?
It'd be a very vague and poorly executed contrast in a romantically bonding scenario. If anything, it stands out as a sign of comraderie - one of the long-running themes in the Phoenix Wright saga.
Is that clearer?
It'd be a very vague and poorly executed contrast in a romantically bonding scenario. If anything, it stands out as a sign of comraderie - one of the long-running themes in the Phoenix Wright saga.
Is that clearer?
I said it's one of the things that makes me think he's gay. Again, please don't focus on a tiny corner of the picture and claim that I said "THIS ABSOLUTELY MAKES EDGEWORTH A HOMOSEXUAL", because I didn't. We're debting something very nebulous and difficult to disern in real people, nevermind a videogame character for whom it's not even a narrative issue. Also, Edgeworth is set apart from all of the other main men in the series by this. It's not just a "lot of (het) romances", it's being excluded from a very particular pattern. And, comraderie isn't poking into their love lives and [spoiler]. That's a bit above and beyond "comraderie".
EDITED AND CHANGED FOR CLARIFICATION: You seem to be getting stuck on the idea that for Edgeworth to be gay, he has to be in a romantic relationship. A man could never even kiss another man and still be homosexual, you know. Just because Edgeworth and Phoenix are not (and never will be in game canon) in a romantic relationship doesn't mean that Edgeworth can't be in love with him.
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