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And Zak Gramarye
For screwing over his lawyer, inciting Kristoph Gavin's chain of crimes, leaving his daughter as an unecessary burden to a recently disbarred (unemployed) Lawyer that he caused, and then running out for seven years, and finally coming back to actually ruin his career (attempted) again.
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Dahlia Hawthrone - For being a total bitch of a villain. I knew she grew up in a bad childhood but that's no excuse. She stole a high-priced jewerly, forced a man to commit suicide, killed her adoptive sister, killed a college student, nearly got her sister wrongly convicted of murder, tried to kill Phoenix and nearly killed Maya. I hope your hanging hurt.


Omigosh, seconded seconded SECONDED.

I love her as a villain (she's my favorite), but during my initial playthrough of T&T, especially
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when Fawles died,
I could feel my blood boil. And after I played the first case of that game, I was definitely like "HOW COULD ANYONE SUPPORT PHOENIX WITH THIS B****?" (Because I didn't know about Iris, and did not know Dollie by name)


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And Zak Gramarye
For screwing over his lawyer, inciting Kristoph Gavin's chain of crimes, leaving his daughter as an unecessary burden to a recently disbarred (unemployed) Lawyer that he caused, and then running out for seven years, and finally coming back to actually ruin his career (attempted) again.


Also seconded, SO HARD.
Zak Gramarye is a JERK, and I am so happy he got Worst Defendant.
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Just want to add another thing I don't like about Iris. She LIES through the entire case. Not just to Phoenix but to Edgeworth too. "Oh, I was in my room the whole time!" Yeah right. "I didn't have anything to do with the crime!" Yeah you did. The worst was when Edgeworth asked what she the snowmobile for. "Oh, I can't tell you until Maya is safe, even though we don't even know if she's safe and Maya had nothing to do with the snowmobile and even if that happens, I kinda want to tell Phoenix and not you because he needs to be with ME and not you." Yeah, I know Iris didn't actually say that last part. The point is, I thought she was as bad as Larry at times. I wanted Edgeworth to tell Iris to defend herself after that snowmobile lie. Now I don't hate Iris as much as a lot of people here do, but I still don't like her.


uhh, wasn't that when Dahlia was possessing Maya, so it actually wasn't Iris? or am I misremembering?

also, I'm in agreement on hating Dahlia, she's so evil D: I mean, great villain and all...but I was mad at her during the game D:<
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tozz wrote:
rydus65 wrote:
Just want to add another thing I don't like about Iris. She LIES through the entire case. Not just to Phoenix but to Edgeworth too. "Oh, I was in my room the whole time!" Yeah right. "I didn't have anything to do with the crime!" Yeah you did. The worst was when Edgeworth asked what she the snowmobile for. "Oh, I can't tell you until Maya is safe, even though we don't even know if she's safe and Maya had nothing to do with the snowmobile and even if that happens, I kinda want to tell Phoenix and not you because he needs to be with ME and not you." Yeah, I know Iris didn't actually say that last part. The point is, I thought she was as bad as Larry at times. I wanted Edgeworth to tell Iris to defend herself after that snowmobile lie. Now I don't hate Iris as much as a lot of people here do, but I still don't like her.


uhh, wasn't that when Dahlia was possessing Maya, so it actually wasn't Iris? or am I misremembering?

also, I'm in agreement on hating Dahlia, she's so evil D: I mean, great villain and all...but I was mad at her during the game D:<


It was before Dahlia switched with Iris. But, Yeah on Dahlia. One of the best villains I have ever seen, but man! There were times I was like "What I wouldn't give to torture you"
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*secretly revives thread because I HAVE to let the world know who I hate*
Machi.
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Holy crap, those characters were annoying :zenitora:
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Zak and Misty, because they both abandoned their children for stupid reasons, the pair of them.
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And if it turns out Thalassa did the same thing to Apollo, then I'll hate her too. :karma:

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Klavier because he has little to no personality whatsoever and he is basically holding your hand throughout the entire game
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I can't stand Kristoph, I mean the guy forges evidence, and gets Phoenix to lose his badge. Is this guy even a defense attorney, I'm surprised that he isn't a prosecutor.
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I don't know if I answered here, but add me to the list of Iris-dislikers.

What really bugs me about her (in addition to the points by SaraVera and others) is that Dahlia gets slapped with the bitch label when her motivation for killing and lying was to save her own arse.

(And Fawles'? I feel like I'm the only person in the fandom who thinks this, but the guy strikes me as extremely suspect. In the pedo sense.
Spoiler: 3-4
My skin was crawling when he kept referring to her as his "teen queen." At the very least, he was her tutor and she was an underaged kid. Gross abuse of trusted role there-- if he really loved her, he would have waited a few years until she was legal. I also don't think Dahlia necessarily knew he was definitely going to kill himself, either-- to me his death was more the choice of a mentally unbalanced man who had an unhealthy obsession with a teenage girl. (Surely I wasn't the only one who thought "Humbert Humbert"?)
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Iris, however, lied repeatedly and for no real reason beyond loyalty to someone who she knew was doing the wrong thing. Furthermore, she could have prevented what went down, but she participated... and then put on the waterworks when she got caught out, playing the naive, childlike victim-- not terribly differently to what Dahlia did-- it's just that people eventually saw through Dahlia.

To me, she's not that dissimilar to Dahlia, except that Dahlia was pushed into survival mode-- Iris on the other hand had a lovely spiritual upbringing and was being looked after by a woman who adored her.

As for telling Phoenix she loved him-- god, my heart broke then; poor Phoenix has been through all that trauma, nearly been killed, had his buddy/adopted little sister/girlfriend/colleague/fag hag/insert other things Maya could be to him utterly traumatised, now orphaned, and Iris then pulls the classicest emotional steamroll and says "I always loved you." Like the poor guy doesn't already have enough crap to deal with.

Dahlia was far more honest than that and she never played the victim once she'd been found out. Iris worked it for all it was worth. I can't stand people who stand by and watch other people suffer because of "loyalty," and I can't stand people who expect sympathy and think "I love you" makes up for a whole heap of awful things they've done.
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@LadyLuckDoubt - I think I love you.

On one hand, we have awesome female characters. They whip, are lawyers, come back from the grave occasionally, etc. On the other hand, we have this quiet, sweet little person who cries, looks innocent, blushes, and I'm supposed to like her? No. Just, no.

She helped her twin sister almost kill a poor little college student for 8 months, and she supposedly loved this guy. If she loved him so much, she would of stopped Dahlia. Yeah, she's her sister, but I think stopping psychotic murderers comes before sibling love. I don't have a brother or sister, though, so I probably wouldn't understand :\

Then, after the whole 3-5 fiasco is finally resolved, she gets it in her head that if she says "LOL ILU" it'll make everything all sunshine and rainbows again. She lied to him through what may be one of the most emotionally traumatizing events in his life, and she expect everything to be made better? No. I know the whole "the wounds of love may only be healed by the person that made them" thing, but I would find something like that just unforgivable.
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Hm I liked Oldbag, Lotta, Zak, Brushel, Wellington, and Dahlia, so who do I hate... Hmm..... AH! ... No.... OH! MORGAN. D=< SHE WAS AN ASSMOTHER.
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(And Fawles'? I feel like I'm the only person in the fandom who thinks this, but the guy strikes me as extremely suspect. In the pedo sense.
Spoiler: 3-4
My skin was crawling when he kept referring to her as his "teen queen." At the very least, he was her tutor and she was an underaged kid. Gross abuse of trusted role there-- if he really loved her, he would have waited a few years until she was legal. I also don't think Dahlia necessarily knew he was definitely going to kill himself, either-- to me his death was more the choice of a mentally unbalanced man who had an unhealthy obsession with a teenage girl. (Surely I wasn't the only one who thought "Humbert Humbert"?)
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I know your post was mostly about Iris, but I completely agree with what you said about Fawles. It was disgusting, that relationship. Dahlia, I imagine she was using him from the start, but he...yeah, he was sick. I forgot about him when I posted the last time. DX
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BiohazardKat wrote:
On one hand, we have awesome female characters. They whip, are lawyers, come back from the grave occasionally, etc. On the other hand, we have this quiet, sweet little person who cries, looks innocent, blushes, and I'm supposed to like her? No. Just, no.


YES!!! I think that bugged me, too-- I LOVE most of the female characters in the series-- they're interesting women who are quite often NOT subscribing to prescribed gender roles and the parts usually occupied by women in gaming. Mia's an established attorney (but we also see her as a nervy and passionate rookie), Franziska is aggressive and arrogant and tough, Dahlia-- love her or loathe her, she's got some extreme tenacity and self-preservation going on (and she's smart; she tries to make the best of a bad situation-- not to mention, she's got moxie), we get Little Plum who is the coolest mom ever-- hell, even the "irritating" women-- Lotta Hart and Oldbag and April May-- have some personality and guts to them.

Iris doesn't. Iris is weak, submissive and has no sense of ethics whatsoever. (And all too often, bad things happen, and bad people get into power not because of their ability alone, but because of the people who follow them and don't question them. Being someone's friend doesn't mean blindly supporting them do horrible things.)

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She helped her twin sister almost kill a poor little college student for 8 months, and she supposedly loved this guy. If she loved him so much, she would of stopped Dahlia.


Precisely. Love is at least about stopping someone trying to kill your beloved. Not being in on the plan.

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Then, after the whole 3-5 fiasco is finally resolved, she gets it in her head that if she says "LOL ILU" it'll make everything all sunshine and rainbows again. She lied to him through what may be one of the most emotionally traumatizing events in his life, and she expect everything to be made better? No. I know the whole "the wounds of love may only be healed by the person that made them" thing, but I would find something like that just unforgivable.


Again, precisely.

I always wonder how people would feel if the genders were reversed; if Phoenix was a girl being duped and nearly killed by twin brothers, and if then one of them went "I always loved you" at the end of it. I think a lot more people would be going, "But that's always what abusive men say to get their girlfriend/wife to not leave."

I don't see why it should work for a woman doing it, no matter how much she cries or how sweet she seems to be. Dahlia looked cute and innocent, too.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Iris was just as bad as Dahlia. XD
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Spoiler: AAI Spoilers All cases except the first.
I really hated both Amanos. Lance was a spoiled brat who tried to pin a murder in someone who trusted him and thought he could get away with murder because of his father's influence. Ernest was even worse. Besides trying to help his son get away with murder, he literaly stabbed Edgeworth in the back. Edgeworth was trying to help him. There's also the fact that he sent someone to steal evidence that could of convicted Manny Coachen and made one of his own employers take the fall. He was just as responsible as Manny and Alba for the smuggling.

I didn't like Manny and Alba either. Alba was a BORING and selfish final villian, and I didn't feel sorry that Manny got killed.
Also, Zinc Leblanc was very annoying. He was sort of a cross between Victor Kudo and Redd White. All the bad parts.
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Yew Calisto....she's such a b*%!h I just want to grab her head when she laughs and smash it off her defence desk over and over again until she shuts up. Additionally she sounds like a man when she objects....a rather pathetic man maybe on Payne's level of patheticness.
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I don't hate characters per se, but some do annoy me...

Spoiler: Phoenix Wright Trilogy
April May: ... Her cute act got old.

Redd White: Typical villain. Didn't like him because he punched Phoenix. D:

Dee Vasquez: She should've talked more. She was very unlikeable.

Jake Marshall: Couldn't stand the theme song and I couldn't stand his character. Get over it, Jake!

Morgan Fey: Never suspected her of being bad, so even then I thought she was annoying with her "Mystic Maya" shit. Now that I know what she's done... nothing's worse than winning honour in a dishonourable way.

Richard Wellington: :wellington: What an ugly sprite. Enough reason to not like him.

Moe: Not funny, annoying, ugly, etc.

Ben/Trilo: Same as Moe, but he's a pedophile. 30 and a 16 year old? What the fack?

Luke Atmey: Ugly and irritating. Enough said..



Spoiler: Apollo Justice
I actually ended up being okay with most characters in this game, lolol.

Trucy Wright: Annoying. Cannot stand her, she's just THERE. I did not find her cute at all. >:c ... Another irrational hate. I think it's cause I'm bitter that Maya isn't around anymore.

Hobo Phoenix: He's totally OOC.. I hope he gets his badge back, lol.

Kristoph Gavin: I don't dislike him but I do dislike the fact he screwed over Phoenix.

Valant Gramarye: He just annoyed me. When it's his part in the game I press the button fast because I really don't want to deal with it. I try to do it as fast as possible. If he didn't FRAME Zak Gramarye this would have never happened. -_-"



Spoiler: Gyakuten Kenji Spoilers
Calisto Yew: She sounds like a man when she does her objection (I had to do a double take, huh? wtf, did I just hear correctly?) and she screws over some people. Her sprite is ugly too, I don't know. I just don't like her. :| She annoyed me throughout Case 4.

Kay Faraday: Bland, sort of annoying, feels forced in the game. She doesn't belong in the game and I just don't see how people could like her. The only thing redeeming is her theme song, which is cool. I don't like how she prances around proclaiming she's the Yagaratsu or whatever. ESPECIALLY in Case 5 when she gets arrested, and saying she's a thief... doesn't she have common sense? Ugh. Anyway... she's a failure version of Maya. At least Maya made me laugh. KAY, ur doin it wrong soz.

Jacques Portman: Annoying ass prosecutor. Like, gtfo already. It's obvious it's him who did it. HE JUST IRRATIONALLY BROUGHT OUT DISLIKE for me! D:

Cammy Meele: I know lots of people like her, but she annoyed me throughout the whole case. I think I'm one of the only ones who don't like her sprite. I did not like the bubbles lol.

The Amanos: Spoiled father and son combo. Disgraceful.

Zinc LeBlanc: His music was cool but he was so fricking irritating. LOL.

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Lol Mia is dead. do u understand Pearls, Maya? she's dead so stop channeling her.
Well Phoenix has a way now to make contact with her in his mind xD
F*** Mia, stop appearing.
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if i had to choose someone as the "most hated charectar",it would be redd white

he has a bad selfish personallity,he digs secrets inorder to control other poeple,he killed mia fey,he took from marvin groosberg secret info and used that fact to blackmail him from even defending mia's sister maya fey,he gave info about misty fey's help to the puplic and reuined her and the name of the fey clan cousing lot's of pain to everyone related to the fey clan.
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Wendy Old Bag.

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There's only one character that I REALLY hate. Because he's the most annoying guy I've ever seen, because his voice sound like an old woman and because his haircuts are horrible... Yes, I hate Winston Payne!!! :payne:
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Definantly Ini, Wellington, and Regina
Ini is just incredibly irritating to talk to.
Wellington was just annoying. I could not stand his arrogance and his superficial viewpoint towards everything. What makes it worse though is the fact that he's really fricken stupid. So stupid in fact that he lost to a lawyer with amnesia. I truly cannot stand people who THINK they are smart. Also, the way he shakes his head at me in such a condescending way is infuriating.
Regina, however, has got to be the biggest idiot I've ever seen. Her innocence is sickening, and she's just so niave and "cute". Seriously, you find a murder note in your damn pocket AND POST IT ON A BULLENTON BOARD!?!? And the whole, people become starz!!!! thing is just...I don't even know how to describe that. Plus, its just aggravating to see her not give a crap about her father being dead. Even if you follow her broken logic, as a star, she still wouldn't be able to interact with her father at all. I don't blame Acro at all for wanting to kill this moron.
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Trucy and Klavier. In fact I'm not a big fan of most of the Apollo Justice cast.

Oh, and Mike Meekins. Something about him just creeps me out.
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Everytime Meekins pops up on screen I want to kick him in the face.
Especially when you're least expecting it.
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Me: Oh look, someone's in the Blue Badger costume. I bet it's someone cool from the earlier games, like that Jake cowboy guy or something. That would be pretty aweso--
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He is the most annoying character ever. With the worst theme song, as well.
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Bluesky wrote:
Everytime Meekins pops up on screen I want to kick him in the face.
Especially when you're least expecting it.
Spoiler:
Me: Oh look, someone's in the Blue Badger costume. I bet it's someone cool from the earlier games, like that Jake cowboy guy or something. That would be pretty aweso--
Game: Haha pwnt.
Me:...fucking Meekins. :grey:


Yeah this.
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Of all the characters they could've brought back, why him, and why Oldbag? I admit, she was funny/sort of grew on me in 2-4, but ugh. Also I hate that they got loads more screen time than Ema did. I fucking loved Ema and her new character design and she was on screen for what, five minutes? If that? In the case that I cared about the least, no less. -_-

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Mike Meekins is the only character in the series who irritates me. Not in the "I think he sucks" or "He's really annoying" or "OMG VILLAIN" senses; he's just a fucking loser no matter how you see him. He can't hold a job, has no backbone, and does nothing - not even pray or hope - that his life will get better. He's like the worst of Maggey and Gumshoe; has terrible luck and performs his duties less than adequately, but unlike Meekins, Gumshoe is very enthusiastic and dedicated to his job and Maggey is always optimistic that her future will be brighter. Meekins has none of those traits. When you get to the root of it, his only purpose is to evoke sympathy for a pathetic character and unredeemable future. He would serve his life's purpose better by being a murder victim in future installments.
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Ben & Trilo, because they are annoying me.
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Pearly. She was cute at first but she rapidly became the most annoying living being who ever stepped in the AA universe. Ugh.
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Trucy - I know she's popular but I just found her incredibly annoying, but then I'm not a fan of "cutesieness".

Oh, and Iris of course. For reasons that have been explained on this thread many times already. The first fictional character I've really, REALLY wanted to punch.
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I hate Edgeworth. What a lame character.





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A few characters got on my nerves here and there, but the only two that I honestly hate are Regina Berry and Lance Amano. (No offense to any of their fans! D: ) I've never been fond of very naive characters, so Regina really rubbed me the wrong way. She was so naive it hurt. As for Lance... I found him too shallow and predictable.
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Max Galactica, hands down. He was such a douche, and the case in general was probably the worst in the entire series. It was probably the only one where I would have opted to defend the actual criminal, instead. At least he was a nice guy...
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(Flame shields up) Klaiver Gavin. I don't know why. I just hate him for some reason. :rock'n:
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Achtung, baby!! <3

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Moe -> no one like his anoying jokes ...
Von karma -> just don't like him and
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he killed edgey's dad :edgeworth:

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I am Fangirl, hear my Squee

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Dark Coffee Drinker wrote:
(Flame shields up) .Klaiver Gavin I don't know why. I just hate him for some reason. :rock'n:


How could I have forgotten to mention him in my post? Anyone who air-guitar, in my opinion, is a total knob.
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