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Nurio wrote:
Wait, who is this? Are you talking about Whatshisname Shields in GK2? Sidekick to Gregory?
I think you mean "Raymond Shields". -_-
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Ace Pointer wrote:
Nurio wrote:
Wait, who is this? Are you talking about Whatshisname Shields in GK2? Sidekick to Gregory?
I think you mean "Raymond Shields". -_-
Why the grumpy face?
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Fist of Justice wrote:
Why the grumpy face?
Reason #1: I'm feeling boring... So much work to do.
Reason #2: I'm angry most of the time on a day. I get angry pretty fast.
Reason #3: For him/her/whatever to be too forgetful. Couldn't he said "Tateyuki Shigaraki" or Mr. Shields, atleast?
Reason #4: A "Certain User" Told me to stop throwing Character Emoticons.
Reason #5: ...
...Sorry, but I cannot say. -_-Reason #6: I couldn't play PLvsAA and DD, which made me super-mad.
So you get it, now?
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Ace Pointer wrote:
Reason #1: I'm feeling boring... So much work to do.
Reason #2: I'm angry most of the time on a day. I get angry pretty fast.
Reason #3: For him/her/whatever to be too forgetful. Couldn't he said "Tateyuki Shigaraki" or Mr. Shields, atleast?
Reason #4: A "Certain User" Told me to stop throwing Character Emoticons.
Reason #5: ... ...Sorry, but I cannot say. -_-
Reason #6: I couldn't play PLvsAA and DD, which made me super-mad.
So you get it, now?
Reason #2: I'm angry most of the time on a day. I get angry pretty fast.
Reason #3: For him/her/whatever to be too forgetful. Couldn't he said "Tateyuki Shigaraki" or Mr. Shields, atleast?
Reason #4: A "Certain User" Told me to stop throwing Character Emoticons.
Reason #5: ...
...Sorry, but I cannot say. -_-Reason #6: I couldn't play PLvsAA and DD, which made me super-mad.
So you get it, now?
Might I suggest anger management if this little already gave such a reaction?
What is wrong with saying "Whatshisname Shields" if I couldn't remember the first name at that moment? "Whatshisname" is a legit word used to express (temporary) forgetfulness towards someone's name. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whatshisname
Also... You, sir, are the epitome of hypocrisy. It is wrong to say "Whatshisname" and be forgetful about a character's name, but it's fine to be ignorant about my gender and call me "him/her/whatever" while my gender is displayed right there next to my post? Don't get me wrong: I am not at all offended by what people call me and I care little about it. I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy here.
On top of that, all of those reasons you listed aside from reason 3 have nothing to do with me, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't justify your attitude towards me that way.
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Nurio wrote:
So you get it, now?
Might I suggest anger management if this little already gave such a reaction?
What is wrong with saying "Whatshisname Shields" if I couldn't remember the first name at that moment? "Whatshisname" is a legit word used to express (temporary) forgetfulness towards someone's name. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whatshisname
Also... You, sir, are the epitome of hypocrisy. It is wrong to say "Whatshisname" and be forgetful about a character's name, but it's fine to be ignorant about my gender and call me "him/her/whatever" while my gender is displayed right there next to my post? Don't get me wrong: I am not at all offended by what people call me and I care little about it. I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy here.
On top of that, all of those reasons you listed aside from reason 3 have nothing to do with me, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't justify your attitude towards me that way.
Might I suggest anger management if this little already gave such a reaction?
What is wrong with saying "Whatshisname Shields" if I couldn't remember the first name at that moment? "Whatshisname" is a legit word used to express (temporary) forgetfulness towards someone's name. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whatshisname
Also... You, sir, are the epitome of hypocrisy. It is wrong to say "Whatshisname" and be forgetful about a character's name, but it's fine to be ignorant about my gender and call me "him/her/whatever" while my gender is displayed right there next to my post? Don't get me wrong: I am not at all offended by what people call me and I care little about it. I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy here.
On top of that, all of those reasons you listed aside from reason 3 have nothing to do with me, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't justify your attitude towards me that way.
Nothing wrong, I was just feeling super angry that time, and that's all. Or didn't you read Reason #2? And don't even think THESE STATEMENTS AS A SPAM!
This may be irrelevant, but, isn't Kirby a Pokemon? 
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She's chipper. Cheerful. That's it. She doesn't seem to have any negative emotions, nor seem to really care about any bad thing happening to her - oh sure she got a bit annoyed that someone stole her panties, but hey, those were stage panties and not her "real" ones. I dislike Trucy cause she is not a decently developed character. (And no I do not play AJ's development for that)
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I'm pretty sure I posted in this topic once how I hated Trucy? Well, I sort of take it back. I still don't LIKE her, nor would she be any type of favorite of mine in the AA-verse, but I will take back that she is "Maya with Stage magic". While she does have that trait, I think my main issue with Trucy is that... she's boring. She has no big personality.
She's chipper. Cheerful. That's it. She doesn't seem to have any negative emotions, nor seem to really care about any bad thing happening to her - oh sure she got a bit annoyed that someone stole her panties, but hey, those were stage panties and not her "real" ones. I dislike Trucy cause she is not a decently developed character. (And no I do not play AJ's development for that)
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She's chipper. Cheerful. That's it. She doesn't seem to have any negative emotions, nor seem to really care about any bad thing happening to her - oh sure she got a bit annoyed that someone stole her panties, but hey, those were stage panties and not her "real" ones. I dislike Trucy cause she is not a decently developed character. (And no I do not play AJ's development for that)
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I can agree with this. Trucy is my least favorite sidekick. There is just nothing special about her, and she just seems like a one-trick pony. Even more so in Dual Destinies.
Ace Pointer wrote:
Nothing wrong, I was just feeling super angry that time, and that's all. Or didn't you read Reason #2? And don't even think THESE STATEMENTS AS A SPAM! This may be irrelevant, but, isn't Kirby a Pokemon?
This may be irrelevant, but, isn't Kirby a Pokemon? Everyone is angry sometimes, but you seem perpetually high-strung. But this is a point I've already tried to get across.
Of course I read reason 2, but that more seems like an excuse than anything. It is in no way a justification.
Lastly, Kirby is not a Pokémon, but I don't see much how that matters any which way.
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Nurio wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
I'm pretty sure I posted in this topic once how I hated Trucy? Well, I sort of take it back. I still don't LIKE her, nor would she be any type of favorite of mine in the AA-verse, but I will take back that she is "Maya with Stage magic". While she does have that trait, I think my main issue with Trucy is that... she's boring. She has no big personality.
She's chipper. Cheerful. That's it. She doesn't seem to have any negative emotions, nor seem to really care about any bad thing happening to her - oh sure she got a bit annoyed that someone stole her panties, but hey, those were stage panties and not her "real" ones. I dislike Trucy cause she is not a decently developed character. (And no I do not play AJ's development for that)
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She's chipper. Cheerful. That's it. She doesn't seem to have any negative emotions, nor seem to really care about any bad thing happening to her - oh sure she got a bit annoyed that someone stole her panties, but hey, those were stage panties and not her "real" ones. I dislike Trucy cause she is not a decently developed character. (And no I do not play AJ's development for that)
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I can agree with this. Trucy is my least favorite sidekick. There is just nothing special about her, and she just seems like a one-trick pony. Even more so in Dual Destinies.
In her defense, I can say it's heavily implied that she's not all joy and laughter. For those few weeks between her father's disappearance and Nick's adoption, she went without a father. Perhaps she was watched over by the police, but as we all know, these guys aren't the best kind of company. Besides, she's a smart kid. She knew her new daddy was just as depressed as she was, so she put on a brave face for him. Eventually, that bright personality came to overcome practically anything... even becoming a hostage.
Honestly, I think she still stands out on her own. I find her to be the quickest thinker among all the teenaged assistants, despite being the youngest of them. It does take real smarts to pull of a good magic trick, after all. (But the wittiest will still forever be Maya.)
Sadly, because of how Turnabout Succession ended, the poor kid has little to no reason to be a part of the main cast anymore. She adds nothing to the structure of the games' mystery elements, and even with the ever awaited return of Lamiroir, she's not going to have much to say about it anyway. There's nothing else to pull from the Gramarye legacy by now, so she's going to continue to be outcast... unless we have another Turnabout Animal Circus (ya know, the GS5 CD drama that is still publicly available on the official site).
On the bright side, it means I can take every chance I can in future installments to visit the office and see what Trucy has to say about things. She'll usually be around.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
In her defense, I can say it's heavily implied that she's not all joy and laughter. For those few weeks between her father's disappearance and Nick's adoption, she went without a father. Perhaps she was watched over by the police, but as we all know, these guys aren't the best kind of company. Besides, she's a smart kid. She knew her new daddy was just as depressed as she was, so she put on a brave face for him. Eventually, that bright personality came to overcome practically anything... even becoming a hostage.
Honestly, I think she still stands out on her own. I find her to be the quickest thinker among all the teenaged assistants, despite being the youngest of them. It does take real smarts to pull of a good magic trick, after all. (But the wittiest will still forever be Maya.)
Sadly, because of how Turnabout Succession ended, the poor kid has little to no reason to be a part of the main cast anymore. She adds nothing to the structure of the games' mystery elements, and even with the ever awaited return of Lamiroir, she's not going to have much to say about it anyway. There's nothing else to pull from the Gramarye legacy by now, so she's going to continue to be outcast... unless we have another Turnabout Animal Circus (ya know, the GS5 CD drama that is still publicly available on the official site).
On the bright side, it means I can take every chance I can in future installments to visit the office and see what Trucy has to say about things. She'll usually be around.
Honestly, I think she still stands out on her own. I find her to be the quickest thinker among all the teenaged assistants, despite being the youngest of them. It does take real smarts to pull of a good magic trick, after all. (But the wittiest will still forever be Maya.)
Sadly, because of how Turnabout Succession ended, the poor kid has little to no reason to be a part of the main cast anymore. She adds nothing to the structure of the games' mystery elements, and even with the ever awaited return of Lamiroir, she's not going to have much to say about it anyway. There's nothing else to pull from the Gramarye legacy by now, so she's going to continue to be outcast... unless we have another Turnabout Animal Circus (ya know, the GS5 CD drama that is still publicly available on the official site).
On the bright side, it means I can take every chance I can in future installments to visit the office and see what Trucy has to say about things. She'll usually be around.
Perhaps that's another point that makes me not like her that much... She is entirely uninvolved. That makes it hard to get invested in her. And if she always is this... bubbly, it's difficult to feel bad for her. She's kidnapped, and she seems fine (heck, even Phoenix seems fine for the most part)... So I can't find myself feeling very bad for her or caring much for her.
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In her defense, I can say it's heavily implied that she's not all joy and laughter. For those few weeks between her father's disappearance and Nick's adoption, she went without a father. Perhaps she was watched over by the police, but as we all know, these guys aren't the best kind of company.
Even when she talks to Nick shortly before he adopts her, she still seems pretty dang happy-go-lucky about the entire thing. Implying is not enough - espeically if we don't see the character during that time.
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I find her to be the quickest thinker among all the teenaged assistants
I'll be the snarky bitch and ask why SHE isn't the lawyer then, if she's so freaking good.
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Perhaps that's another point that makes me not like her that much... She is entirely uninvolved. That makes it hard to get invested in her. And if she always is this... bubbly, it's difficult to feel bad for her. She's kidnapped, and she seems fine (heck, even Phoenix seems fine for the most part)... So I can't find myself feeling very bad for her or caring much for her.
This is a big problem. If the CHARACTER doesn't seem to care, why should THE PLAYER?
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As odd as it sounds, my least favorite ace attorney characters are the ones that are usually provided for comic relief. Larry, Wendy, Moe, heck even Ema in Apollo Justice. For some reason I feel like the writers tend to drag out their dialogues and it really slows the pacing for me by quite a bit. There are some genuinely "LOL" moments from the characters I listed, but after awhile just the SIGHT of them makes me cringe and want to hide in a hole (which I kind of feel is the point but doesn't really change my opinion either way).
That's a huge problem with characters that are there JUST for comic relief - or, in Ema's case, cameos. They have no depth to them, nothing that really makes you think they are a real person. They're just there to make you laugh. And as you say, it very easily (and very fast) goes from the "Haha funny" category into the "Shut up you annoying waste of space" category.
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CatMuto wrote:
Implying is not enough - espeically if we don't see the character during that time.
Trucy has the same problem as a lot of the AA4 cast: Phoenix stole the spotlight.
Apollo didn't get enough character development? Phoenix.
Trucy somehow catches on to some things faster than Apollo but in other places acts like she just doesn't care about thinking? Phoenix.
The relations between Klavier and Krisotoph didn't leave an emotional impact? Phoenix.
Ema never got enough focus to be something other than a snackoo eater? Phoenix.
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CatMuto wrote:
That's a huge problem with characters that are there JUST for comic relief - or, in Ema's case, cameos. They have no depth to them, nothing that really makes you think they are a real person. They're just there to make you laugh. And as you say, it very easily (and very fast) goes from the "Haha funny" category into the "Shut up you annoying waste of space" category.
I dunno... I thought Oldbag was a pretty good character in Case 1-3, despite being there for comic relief. When at the end she said she was tired of it all, started to mourn Hammer more properly, I felt quite a bit for her.
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The relations between Klavier and Krisotoph didn't leave an emotional impact? Phoenix.
Ema never got enough focus to be something other than a snackoo eater? Phoenix.
Ema never got enough focus to be something other than a snackoo eater? Phoenix.
Why?
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CatMuto wrote:
Implying is not enough - espeically if we don't see the character during that time.
Trucy has the same problem as a lot of the AA4 cast: Phoenix stole the spotlight.
Apollo didn't get enough character development? Phoenix.
Trucy somehow catches on to some things faster than Apollo but in other places acts like she just doesn't care about thinking? Phoenix.
The relations between Klavier and Krisotoph didn't leave an emotional impact? Phoenix.
Ema never got enough focus to be something other than a snackoo eater? Phoenix.
I don't think Phoenix stealing the spotlight is the issue here. It did cause some issues, but not regarding character development (maybe for Apollo he's really part of the problem).
The real problem with AJ characters is that nobody seems to care about anything at all. Apollo got really mad at the end of 4-1 and...that's it. His character development stopped right there, and they never brought up anything that happened there again. I won't pick on Trucy because we know for a fact that she really is sad inside, but I don't think that telling us that with one line when everything's already over is the way to make players get involved. And Klavier and Kristoph relationship didn't leve an emotional impact because (aside from the fact the we don't really know what kind of relantioship they even had) Klavier's most emotional reaction to the whole ordeal was basically something like "You were going to cheat against me? Not cool, buddy." Even Phoenix didn't seem too worried about anything with that Hobo attitude and everything.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
I like AJ Phoenix. He's an openly snarky bastard, which really made him more enjoyable to me than as the protagonist in the previous games whose snark is only on the inside.
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I wouldn't say it's a direct relation to Takumi's mood as much as it was a rush to meet deadlines. He originally had a complete script for the game that he had planned, but then it was rejected to be rewritten/edited/omitted in many places. That doesn't give him a lot of time to go back and check if the characters themselves were relayed that well to the audience.
But... But... my headcanon...!
Well, you're probably right. I doubt Takumi actually did stop caring about Ace Attorney for this game.
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Nurio wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
That's a huge problem with characters that are there JUST for comic relief - or, in Ema's case, cameos. They have no depth to them, nothing that really makes you think they are a real person. They're just there to make you laugh. And as you say, it very easily (and very fast) goes from the "Haha funny" category into the "Shut up you annoying waste of space" category.
I dunno... I thought Oldbag was a pretty good character in Case 1-3, despite being there for comic relief. When at the end she said she was tired of it all, started to mourn Hammer more properly, I felt quite a bit for her.
Wendy isn't too bad the first few times, her reappearances throughout the series though in both AA/AAI give me dread and heartburn
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Wendy Oldbag wasn't too rude on PW, but she became rude-to-the-touch on JFA.
It's called Flanderization.
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Everyone involved in that case was just plain annoying.
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After reading through this thread i can safely say that i hate pretty much everyone from Case 3 of JFA except for Acro, which is kinda ironic because your supposed to hate the killers in these games.
Everyone involved in that case was just plain annoying.
Everyone involved in that case was just plain annoying.
Actually we ARE supposed to feel sorry for Acro because he is the, well, first "sympathetic" murderer in the series. He killed someone, sure, but it wasn't the person he wanted to kill, it was actually a person he loved and respected.
Then again, I do NOT sympathy towards Acro because he's an idiot who stewed in his own misery for so long... I'm not saying he should've forgotten about Bat, but seriously, he has been living in the circus with Berry (and Regina) for years, practically since he was a child, so he saw Regina grow up. He should KNOW that she isn't actually mean spirited or means anything that way, she just doesn't quite know the consequences. And you can't blame someone for consequences when they honestly do not understand them.
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Aquabreeze wrote:
Spoiler: All of PWAA, JFA, T&T and AJ
He gets a good whipping here and there
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Aquabreeze wrote:
Spoiler: All of PWAA, JFA, T&T and AJ
He gets a good whipping here and there
Considering that turns him on, it loses the punishment idea.
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Then again, I do NOT sympathy towards Acro because he's an idiot who stewed in his own misery for so long... I'm not saying he should've forgotten about Bat, but seriously, he has been living in the circus with Berry (and Regina) for years, practically since he was a child, so he saw Regina grow up. He should KNOW that she isn't actually mean spirited or means anything that way, she just doesn't quite know the consequences. And you can't blame someone for consequences when they honestly do not understand them.
Actually he DID know that what Regina did wasn't mean-spirited or anything quite like that. He described it as "cruelty through innocence, like animal", if I am not mistaken. Basically, he says that Regina is so innocent (and ignorant) that she doesn't understand the consequences of her actions, making her never relent, which is all the more cruel. And Acro felt powerless after his brother 'died', knowing he SHOULDN'T blame Regina, but he saw no other alternative. To him, it's all Regina's fault and he had to put a stop to the animal's cruelty.
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One thing I like about 2-3 is that I can't really blame anyone for anything. I can't blame Acro for hating Regina so much, I can't blame Regina just because her prank went horrible wrong, and I can't blame Russel for being a protective father. It's like 'sometine s**t happens and is nobody's fault'. That's why it's IMO one of the most tragic cases in the series.
Of course you can blame someone. Russel.
He's the one who decided to raise his daughter in a circus of all places, which is not an excuse to be completely off-center of the actual world they live in, he could've chosen to at least teach her SOME things but just decided to let "the circus raise her". I can understand not wanting to hurt her feelings by telling her people become stars, it's a nice idea, but she does need to know a proper way of death.
Much as I hate him, I think MOE is the most grounded of the people in the circus! He even states how Regina's world view is wrong because she was brought up in the circus. Which makes me wonder why he never tried any earlier to maybe teach her some things.
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And I agree about Moe. It's funny how the apparently craziest of them all is actullay the most reasonable.
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Which makes me wonder why he never tried any earlier to maybe teach her some things.
I say it's understandable that the only way he could get Regina to remotely understand the consequences is by watching a court trial. Otherwise, how else could he have put it so that it'd actually stick in her mind?
Not to mention, by GK2, she really hasn't changed... at all. Well, the same goes for the end of GS2, so whatever. It was good seeing her again anyway.
And speaking of GK2, there's that dancer, Tsukasa (dun remember her localized name). To avoid spoilers, I won't say much, but I can't be the only one who thinks she's a bit of a jerk for playing the fool when a certain poor fellow actor of hers was imprisoned unfairly for 18 years.
But I still love that theme. It's so sweet, so chipper...
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Which makes me wonder why he never tried any earlier to maybe teach her some things.
Aside from what Rubia said, you also have to consider that Regina isn't Moe's daughter nor his responsibility. Of course he isn't going to meddle with how Russel raises his daughter. Only until after Russel kicked the proverbial bucket and (presumably) Moe took custody over Regina, could he really have his own hand in her education.
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I've also found myself really hating the returning characters of AJ, such as Phoenix and Ema. Phoenix, I felt became really out of character, which thankfully DD make him much more like his original character and Ema's grumpy attitude didn't feel right with me after playing Rise from the Ashes.
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