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Just something that came to mind: What about those translated PxM doujins? I haven't seen any new ones for quite some time.
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Yeah, I wanna see more too, (But maybe they haven't bought them all yet.)
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Szabu wrote:
Just something that came to mind: What about those translated PxM doujins? I haven't seen any new ones for quite some time.


I suspect poor DZ Shiki got sick of what must be a fairly thankless and tedious task.

Also, all the interesting new P/M doujins I see on those fan sites never seem to make it to any sites where I can purchase.
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icer wrote:
I suspect poor DZ Shiki got sick of what must be a fairly thankless and tedious task.


Well If it's any consolation, I'm extremely thankful for the work the two of you did on that Doujinshi archive.

I actually went out of my way to track down Flower Steal and Pop Star because I thought the artwork and stories were so beautiful, and I don't understand a word of Japanese!
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Well, I'll admit I actually got kinda sick of trying to translate that huge page with all the text on it, to be honest (about a week worth of work to translate only one or two paragraphs tends to do that to your self-esteem), but I'm willing to do more doujin manga if it comes my way (as long as it IS manga). =p
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I found some interesting evidence.

In 3-5, on the first day of the investigation, if you present Maya's profile to Gumshoe while you're playing as the guest (avoiding spoilers for other people), it gets a very interesting comment.

:edgeworth: : I hope Maya's alright.
:edgeworth: : I could never look Wright in the face again if something were to happen to her.
:sadshoe: : Aww, sir! It'll be all Ok (paraphrased badly)

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Yeah, I remember that one!
Spoiler: 3-5
*** Maya Fey profile ***********************
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* Edgeworth:
* I wonder if Maya is alright?
*
* Edgeworth:
* I could never show my face
* to Wright again if something
* were to happen to her.
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* Gumshoe:
* Aww, it'll be OK.
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* Gumshoe:
* If that ever happens, you
* can just show him my face.
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* Gumshoe:
* How's that...?
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* Edgeworth:
* ...
*
* Gumshoe:
* Ack!
* Um, I didn't mean it like
* that, sir!
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* Gumshoe:
* It was just a silly
* little joke!
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* Edgeworth:
* I wonder if there is another
* way to get across to the
* other side?
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* Edgeworth:
* The support wires for the
* bridge are still intact,
* correct?
*
* Gumshoe:
* That bridge is almost
* 20 yards long...
*
* Gumshoe:
* I know I may look like it,
* Mr. Edgeworth, but I'm
* no super hero.
*
* Edgeworth:
* (In any case, I just hope
* Maya is alright...)
*
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I squee'd when I saw it. Do you think it necessarily means love? It could mean that they're just good friends, after all.
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^What's clear is that Edgeworth thinks he can 'never show his face again', which is kind of extreme even if he's overstating, so that shows that Edgeworth at least thinks Phoenix's attachment is pretty intense, and he and Phoenix are friends, so Phoenix isn't going to ditch Edgeworth (or fall out with him) lightly [the Von Karma machinations and Demon Prosecutor business failed to do so, but Edgeworth fears this might!].

Does this point to love, [from perspective of Edgeworth] yes. Romantic love... ambiguous. Anyone who doesn't agree that Phoenix and Maya love each other, canonically, is deluding themselves really, it's the romantic love which is not made 100% explicitly canon. [Personally, the only way I can see it as being interpreted as a 'sibling' love, is if you 'don't want it to be' romantic.... adults do not rapidly become 'siblings' in the space of a few years, even less than a year, anyway. Something's happened in the attachment stakes as early as 2-2...]
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And there is also a couple of facts from the Engarde case.

There is the fact Phoenix would do anything to save her, even if it meant getting a Guilty man a Not Guilty verdict, The fact that all Maya could do, was draw that picture. (I'm referring to Shelly's Calling card, With Phoenix's face on it.) And the part where Phoenix broke down the second the first part of the Trial ended, and when they said they could find DeKiller, Phoenix was relaxing a bit.

And there is T&T,

Iris (Dahlia): Mystic Maya, She's your girlfriend, isn't she?

Pheonix:!

He did not deny it, and I admit, He didn't confirm it either.
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I still don't think the evidence adds up enough though (face it Capcom deliberately avoided any romantic stuff with Phoenix (except for Iris which was for 3-5's story line) to ensure nobody was pissed off).
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Whatever, that's YOUR Opinion. Rotan, I respect you as a member of the Forum BUT in Bridge to turnabout, This is what I found.
Spoiler: My Data.
Some Phoenix/Iris implied in the last case sure, but him saying "It's good to see you." Is because he thought she Could and WOULD get Maya out. It's so obvious man!

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This pairing is gonna reah 100 pages.
Hopefully before the Croik monster ruins our fun. >:C

Anyway, I read icer's Nick/Maya evidence page and It gave me more hope in this pairing. <3
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Meh, it's not like we REALLY need evidence to like this pairing, nay? :3
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Whatever, that's YOUR Opinion. Rotan, I respect you as a member of the Forum BUT in Bridge to turnabout, This is what I found.
Spoiler: My Data.
Some Phoenix/Iris implied in the last case sure, but him saying "It's good to see you." Is because he thought she Could and WOULD get Maya out. It's so obvious man!


Yeah i'm sure you respect my opinion, i can tell by the way you said it.)
Not from what i saw. Really the only canon pairings in the games are :yuusaku: / :mareka: , :javado: / :youngmia: , :takita: / :aliahands: , and of course :sick: / :chinami: (which could be extended to include :ayame: ).

Oh and :redd: / :grossburg: *shot*


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Johnny Rotan wrote:
Twister980 wrote:
Whatever, that's YOUR Opinion. Rotan, I respect you as a member of the Forum BUT in Bridge to turnabout, This is what I found.
Spoiler: My Data.
Some Phoenix/Iris implied in the last case sure, but him saying "It's good to see you." Is because he thought she Could and WOULD get Maya out. It's so obvious man!


Yeah i'm sure you respect my opinion, i can tell by the way you said it.)
Not from what i saw. Really the only canon pairings in the games are :yuusaku: / :mareka: , :javado: / :youngmia: , :takita: / :aliahands: , and of course :sick: / :chinami: (which could be extended to include :ayame: ).

Oh and :redd: / :grossburg: *shot*


Did I stumble into the wrong thread, because I could have sworn this was the Phoenix x Maya Fan Club, not a debate thread.

If you think we're wrong Johnny, then that's cool. You're entitled to your opinion (as I can clearly see you feel you are from your sig). However, is running into a bullfight waving a red flag really going to do you any favours?
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If you think we're wrong Johnny, then that's cool. You're entitled to your opinion (as I can clearly see you feel you are from your sig). However, is running into a bullfight waving a red flag really going to do you any favours?


Not like this side hasn't done it. Look up these 2 posts on the next to last page of the phoenix / iris topic:

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I dislike Iris. She spent all that time with Phoenix, pretending to be Dahlia. If she truly loved him, she would have been able to stop being Dahlia's b***h for two seconds to tell Phoenix the truth.



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Okay. Sorry. I was just giving my opinion on the topic of Phoenix and Iris, which I'm pretty sure this thread is about.


Guess i just felt like evening up the score :franny:

And i will say no more now.
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Yeah, i really agree about de killer's card...she admitted that when she was kidnapped the only one that she could think is phoenix....but i wonder where IS this card, as franny :franny: said something about giving it back to phoenix someday.....but until GS4, nothing happened 'bout this card..........only if Phoenix find about it....he will aware of maya's felling all the time...but he don't....sadly :larry:
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OK, For one thing, This isn't a topic to post to get revenge on some one. You have a problem?
Talk it over with either Ceres or Croik.

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Yeah, i really agree about de killer's card...she admitted that when she was kidnapped the only one that she could think is phoenix....


Hey Chrome, know what I think? After the disbarment, (Or after T&T) Edgeworth and Franzy met him somewhere, like at a coffee shop, and gave him the card, then a few weeks later, Maya leaves, without him asking her about the card. And you know what happens next, and I quote Phoenix here.

Spoiler: GS4
"Some Kid keeps sending these to me."
Then He says, "I have to finish writing up this report." Or something to that extent.

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Twister980 wrote:
OK, For one thing, This isn't a topic to post to get revenge on some one. You have a problem?
Talk it over with either Ceres or Croik.

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Yeah, i really agree about de killer's card...she admitted that when she was kidnapped the only one that she could think is phoenix....


Hey Chrome, know what I think? After the disbarment, (Or after T&T) Edgeworth and Franzy met him somewhere, like at a coffee shop, and gave him the card, then a few weeks later, Maya leaves, without him asking her about the card. And you know what happens next, and I quote Phoenix here.

Spoiler: GS4
"Some Kid keeps sending these to me."
Then He says, "I have to finish writing up this report." Or something to that extent.


what kind of report did he wrote? hmm...i see ur point.. and not long ago, i've read a fanfic about the card too, it said that franny went back to US just to visit wright's office and gave the card to him, and if i'm not mistaken it happened not long after GS 3 finished... but that's only our imagination....i couldn't wait to know the real story, or maybe capcom already forget about it?
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
Not like this side hasn't done it. Look up these 2 posts on the next to last page of the phoenix / iris topic:
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I dislike Iris. She spent all that time with Phoenix, pretending to be Dahlia. If she truly loved him, she would have been able to stop being Dahlia's b***h for two seconds to tell Phoenix the truth.

Burninator wrote:
Okay. Sorry. I was just giving my opinion on the topic of Phoenix and Iris, which I'm pretty sure this thread is about.

Guess i just felt like evening up the score :franny:

Did that person mention Phoenix/Maya? Does that person frequent this thread? They only said they dislike Iris, they never mention what, if any, pairings they support instead and it's not a matter of 'sides'. [Sounds like a lost n00b to me. Phoenix and Iris : Cute or CUTE? is less explicit a pro-pairing topic name than 'Phoenix and Maya Fan Club'. People always post their opinion of Phoenix on the Hobo or HOBO? thread instead of treating it like a fan club so maybe the person assumed the same?]

For what it's worth, the fact that Takumi decided Iris wasn't worth even an Easter Egg mention in GS4 pretty much confirms he didn't intend Phoenix/Iris to be any kind of future ship after GS3. By contrast he insists on a scene alluding to Maya, [who is the only proven positive relationship to Phoenix continued from games 1-3 in GS4]... moving on

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what kind of report did he wrote? hmm...i see ur point.. and not long ago, i've read a fanfic about the card too, it said that franny went back to US just to visit wright's office and gave the card to him, and if i'm not mistaken it happened not long after GS 3 finished... but that's only our imagination....i couldn't wait to know the real story, or maybe capcom already forget about it?


He has to write a report on every single episode. Theres' a lot of DVDs.. so that's a lot of episodes. This is not a small undertaking.

I think they forgot about the card after GS2 :( But we can make up a niiiiice story. How about a fan case. It can happen after 4-4. Franziska returns with this crucial evidence and...
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Hopefully before the Croik monster ruins our fun. >:C

They're... not going to close it, are they? :larry:
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icer wrote:
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what kind of report did he wrote? hmm...i see ur point.. and not long ago, i've read a fanfic about the card too, it said that franny went back to US just to visit wright's office and gave the card to him, and if i'm not mistaken it happened not long after GS 3 finished... but that's only our imagination....i couldn't wait to know the real story, or maybe capcom already forget about it?


He has to write a report on every single episode. Theres' a lot of DVDs.. so that's a lot of episodes. This is not a small undertaking.


And because they were from Maya (strongly implied), he feels compelled to carry on doing them. Since that is the only known form of contact to the GS1-3 arc. We don't know if he even met with Edgeworth, over a seven-year period. And Edgeworth was the whole reason he became an attorney, so they have a very strong friendship and trust (as proven in 2-4). Maya was a legal assistant, perhaps more. Edgeworth was someone he had known for 18 or more years, so it's obvious how much Maya meant to him.

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This pairing is gonna reah 100 pages.
Hopefully before the Croik monster ruins our fun. >:C

They're... not going to close it, are they? :larry:[/quote]

If they do... they'd have to close all the other pairing threads as it will be unfair. By the way, how long is the biggest thread on here? I'm pretty sure it's the Edgeworth fan club, understandably. He is hot. We shall make this thread longer so it will rival even the longest thread on here!!! Yay. War.
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This pairing is gonna reah 100 pages.
Hopefully before the Croik monster ruins our fun. >:C

They're... not going to close it, are they? :larry:


If they do... they'd have to close all the other pairing threads as it will be unfair. By the way, how long is the biggest thread on here? I'm pretty sure it's the Edgeworth fan club, understandably. He is hot. We shall make this thread longer so it will rival even the longest thread on here!!! Yay. War.[/quote]

I checked. The longest is the :gant: fan club (aka Gant can do it all). Edgey's in the prosecutor's lobby is a close 2nd.
And afaik the only long fan thread that was locked was "Kristoph Gavin: Stylish or STYLISH?", but that was because the posts got lame in it. So i wouldn't worry.
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Guess i just felt like evening up the score :franny:


Johnny...

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He's 31. I checked the profile. But that could be a lie.

Andandand, have you guys checked out the last 2 pages of the Phoenix/Iris fanclub? There is A LOT of Phoenix/Maya hate there. Ironic, since the rule they keep repeating is 'No Flaming' (or something like that)... And they say we bash their pairing. Then they go and do the VERY SAME THING in their thread. Ironic. Don't flame their pairing because they will hate us more and more. You can think it, say it IRL, but don't type it.
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He's 31. I checked the profile. But that could be a lie.

Andandand, have you guys checked out the last 2 pages of the Phoenix/Iris fanclub? There is A LOT of Phoenix/Maya hate there. Ironic, since the rule they keep repeating is 'No Flaming' (or something like that)... And they say we bash their pairing. Then they go and do the VERY SAME THING in their thread. Ironic. Don't flame their pairing because they will hate us more and more. You can think it, say it IRL, but don't type it.


First part of your post: exactly why I asked.

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He's 31. I checked the profile. But that could be a lie.

Andandand, have you guys checked out the last 2 pages of the Phoenix/Iris fanclub? There is A LOT of Phoenix/Maya hate there. Ironic, since the rule they keep repeating is 'No Flaming' (or something like that)... And they say we bash their pairing. Then they go and do the VERY SAME THING in their thread. Ironic. Don't flame their pairing because they will hate us more and more. You can think it, say it IRL, but don't type it.


... Where? I've just looked through those pages and I've seen a couple people who have stated that P/M is not to their taste which is their right, but going any further then that on the topic gets them chewed out from what I've seen. Bashing is not tolerated in that topic. "I hate P/M" is not bashing no more then saying "I hate P/I" is. Pairing bashing is tearing apart a particular pairing, often unfairly, not stating that you are not fond of it or that you prefer another pairing. In the last two pages, I think that I saw maybe one person say that they disliked P/M and they left it at that. That is opinion, not bashing. There is a difference between saying that you dislike another pairing and bashing it mercilessly.

I personally have no issue with P/M except that I don't much see it happening. Still, it's cute and certainly I have no issue with others shipping it even if I don't.
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I wouldn't call it 'hate', more 'misrepresentation'. Many people seem to post there assuming that we dislike Iris because she 'stole' Phoenix from Maya or Edgeworth, not that we might not love her anyway or simply prefer other characters or pairings regardless. I was no fan of Iris even before I 'converted' to Phoenix/Maya-ism. And yes, other people there do sometimes correct them. And I haven't read the thread in detail since they stopped discussing me, and I only posted this message to bump this thread :gant:
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LOL, nice work icer. Can't have this thread on the second page!

I don't read the Phoenix/Iris thread. Because I'd have nothing constructive to contribute. Simple as that.

(This post wasn't exactly constructive either heh)
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LOL, nice work icer. Can't have this thread on the second page!

Indeed.

Um, am I the only one who finds stories like this one, where they never see each other for 7 years+ really, well.. depressing? I refuse to believe it, but it saddens me that so many people seem to, even though it's illogical...

I love how Andre Fey rhymes :)
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Yeah, I agree. Stories like that may make good angst fodder, but they do seem illogical. What possible reason could Phoenix have for not seeing, calling or writing to the self professed "person closest to him" for seven years? Trucy can't seriously be THAT much of a handful.

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LOL I liked it too. I wanted to make him sound like a snob.
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Yeah, I agree. Stories like that may make good angst fodder, but they do seem illogical. What possible reason could Phoenix have for not seeing, calling or writing to the self professed "person closest to him" for seven years? Trucy can't seriously be THAT much of a handful.

I'm more curious about how and why the phenomenon arose and persists. People seem to assume by default that they didn't see each other for 7 years. WHY?
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I'm more curious about how and why the phenomenon arose and persists. People seem to assume by default that they didn't see each other for 7 years. WHY?


I guess it's because Maya gets next to no mentions in AJ and therefor hasn't been very present in Phoenix life. I personally think that Phoenix is just closed about his love life.
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What do you see behind the mask?

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Awww.
Funny thing is, I never got my three favorite pairings (Diego x Mia, Phoenix x Maya and Gumshoe x Maggey) on the generator. I wonder why ... ? Does that thing hate me? That would at least explain why it keeps pairing Diego with Oldbag *brrrrr*
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HETERO!!? :ack:
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