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Johnny Rotan @ P/I thread wrote:
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How does anyone not like her?
Phoenix/Maya and Phoenix/Edgeworth are two of the most popular pairings in the fandom, and Iris's connections with Phoenix paint a proverbial target on her back for angry shippers. For all they care, Iris is just as evil as Dahlia, if not more.

When people become too emotionally invested in their OTPs like that, it's pointless to try and change their opinions anyways. :grossburg:


That has to be the reason because none of them have ever given a reason otherwise (except for the lame "Mary Sue" one liner). The fact that P/I is canon and those aren't makes it even worse for them :yogi:

They take their pairings and characters WAY too seriously (and i think it can be proven).


What do you think? I'm pretty sure Johnny was referring to us. Just thought I'd share. If this is against rules, I'll edit-wipe it.

My opinion on JR's last 2 sentences.

I/P is one-sided canon. There's no reason for Phoenix to get back in a relationship with a girl who lied to him for 8 months. If two people are in love, there shouldn't be any secrecy. And Johnny said it himself, the connection between 1-4 and the GK screenshot.

And prove how we take the ship too seriously.
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Amy wrote:
Johnny Rotan @ P/I thread wrote:
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Phoenix/Maya and Phoenix/Edgeworth are two of the most popular pairings in the fandom, and Iris's connections with Phoenix paint a proverbial target on her back for angry shippers. For all they care, Iris is just as evil as Dahlia, if not more.

When people become too emotionally invested in their OTPs like that, it's pointless to try and change their opinions anyways. :grossburg:


That has to be the reason because none of them have ever given a reason otherwise (except for the lame "Mary Sue" one liner). The fact that P/I is canon and those aren't makes it even worse for them :yogi:

They take their pairings and characters WAY too seriously (and i think it can be proven).


What do you think? I'm pretty sure Johnny was referring to us. Just thought I'd share. If this is against rules, I'll edit-wipe it.

My opinion on JR's last 2 sentences.

I/P is one-sided canon. There's no reason for Phoenix to get back in a relationship with a girl who lied to him for 8 months. If two people are in love, there shouldn't be any secrecy. And Johnny said it himself, the connection between 1-4 and the GK screenshot.

And prove how we take the ship too seriously.



Actually compared to what P/E fans are doing now you guys are pretty mild.
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Amy wrote:
What they doing?


I'm curious too... :yuusaku:
I didn't think they were that bad. Maybe I just haven't spent enough time in the fandom.
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icer wrote:
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Spoiler: Case 2-2
I'm not sure exactly at what point this is- I think it's when you chase down Lotta after the first part of the trial- but if you present Maya's profile to Lotta, she'll start talking smack about Maya. Granted, it's just Lotta being Lotta, but she's still being rather nasty.

Phoenix, in response, slaps her.

I dunno about you, but Phoenix strikes me as someone who isn't that prone to physical violence; even a simple slap seems a bit much for him, and he slapped a woman. Lotta's obviously touched a nerve, and it's a DEEP nerve.


Yeah, someone [forget who sorry] also found it and posted it some pages back. [And yes we always want more fics :)] Okay I'm going to update the evidence list. Just for you people, I started replaying 2-3 again today. It's not so bad the more times you replay and seems awesome compared to 4-3.


Nuts. Although I guess that's what I get for not reading any of the thread before I started lurking.

I was wondering, about the fics. Is it okay to post etiquette questions here, or should I stick them in my other fic's thread next time I update it?
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JoshuaOrrizonte wrote:
Nuts. Although I guess that's what I get for not reading any of the thread before I started lurking.

I was wondering, about the fics. Is it okay to post etiquette questions here, or should I stick them in my other fic's thread next time I update it?

Agh. That was not supposed to be censure. It's my fault for not updating the 'evidence list' so it was good for you to raise it again [proves it's an important line].
And, whatever, post questions about your Phoenix/Maya fic here, it is on topic.
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Actually compared to what P/E fans are doing now you guys are pretty mild.

Do tell. Please.
Johnny Rotan @ P/I thread wrote:
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How does anyone not like her?
Phoenix/Maya and Phoenix/Edgeworth are two of the most popular pairings in the fandom, and Iris's connections with Phoenix paint a proverbial target on her back for angry shippers. For all they care, Iris is just as evil as Dahlia, if not more.

When people become too emotionally invested in their OTPs like that, it's pointless to try and change their opinions anyways. :grossburg:


That has to be the reason because none of them have ever given a reason otherwise (except for the lame "Mary Sue" one liner). The fact that P/I is canon and those aren't makes it even worse for them :yogi:

They take their pairings and characters WAY too seriously (and i think it can be proven).

Lots of people have reasons they don't like P/I [or Iris] and most of them don't use the 'Mary Sue' argument [which I think is incorrect, BTW.] Some of them were in the Pairing Debate Thread [damn that thing is long].
And P/I is NOT canon, beyond the PAST relationship which was conclusively ended, which was more Phoenix falling in love with a delusional romance concept than just Iris. Observe how attached he is to the bottle- it's central to his romance conceptual delusion. And he claims that 'as soon as I laid eyes on her, I knew she was the one for me' and that was Dahlia.

If present/future Phoenix/Iris was canon, Iris would have appeared in that 'family portrait' at the end of 3-5. You can't claim she didn't because she's in jail because Godot got on it, and she's even family as Pearl's half-sister.

Continuation of the 2-3 replay.. nothing specifically shippy, but certainly friend-shippy. Like Maya getting Phoenix to go to the new Steel Samurai movie
Spoiler: 2-3
[examine poster in office, of Nickel Samurai]
Maya:You know about the new Steel Samurai movie they are making, don't you Nick?
Phoenix: Yeah, I heard they're making a movie starring the new cast
Maya: It's already out. Critics say "Time to commit hara-kiri if you miss this action epic!"
Phoenix: You don't say...
Maya: You know, I bet the star will win this year's Hero of Heroes Grand Prix!!
Phoenix *yawn* Uh huh...
Maya: [disappointed sprite] ...
Phoenix: Alright already.. I'll go see the movie!!
Maya: Yay! Let's hurry and wrap this case up so we can see it!

Also, Maya is trying to study the dreaded law books [that's dedication!]
And then there's the companion quote to the thing with Max [which I don't think is much on its own, but put them together]

Trilo: Hah! You don't have a clue about things, do you sweetheart?
Maya: Eh? [shocked sprite]
Trilo: Waiting like this is part of being in love.
Maya: How so?
Trilo: If you had a clue, you would know that waiting is such sweet, wonderful tourture. When your body aches for your partner's love... That's one of the best parts!
Maya: [shocked sprite]
Umm...
Y-Yeah... I..I knew that...

Phoenix: (Poor Maya... She's so red, she looks like a vine ripe tomato!)

Um, interesting.

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icer wrote:

Continuation of the 2-3 replay.. nothing specifically shippy, but certainly friend-shippy. Like Maya getting Phoenix to go to the new Steel Samurai movie
Spoiler: 2-3
[examine poster in office, of Nickel Samurai]
Maya:You know about the new Steel Samurai movie they are making, don't you Nick?
Phoenix: Yeah, I heard they're making a movie starring the new cast
Maya: It's already out. Critics say "Time to commit hara-kiri if you miss this action epic!"
Phoenix: You don't say...
Maya: You know, I bet the star will win this year's Hero of Heroes Grand Prix!!
Phoenix *yawn* Uh huh...
Maya: [disappointed sprite] ...
Phoenix: Alright already.. I'll go see the movie!!
Maya: Yay! Let's hurry and wrap this case up so we can see it!

Also, Maya is trying to study the dreaded law books [that's dedication!]
And then there's the companion quote to the thing with Max [which I don't think is much on its own, but put them together]

Trilo: Hah! You don't have a clue about things, do you sweetheart?
Maya: Eh? [shocked sprite]
Trilo: Waiting like this is part of being in love.
Maya: How so?
Trilo: If you had a clue, you would know that waiting is such sweet, wonderful tourture. When your body aches for your partner's love... That's one of the best parts!
Maya: [shocked sprite]
Umm...
Y-Yeah... I..I knew that...

Phoenix: (Poor Maya... She's so red, she looks like a vine ripe tomato!)

Um, interesting.


Hmm...I think we're canon, people. After all, who else would Maya be in love with? Not to mention that she was away from Phoenix between AA and the beginning of JFA.
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Though the Maya <3 Nick is pretty obvious, I'm pretty sure P/I fans can say that Maya liking Nick =/= Nick liking Maya. Of course we all know he does.

On the topic of 2-3, my favorite line of the case is

Nick (to Maya):"When this case is over, I'll roll over for you as many times as you want!"

I had to do the case about 5 times to find it, but it was totally worth it.
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Me too. There's no way it isn't canon after this.

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I love some of Icer's pics like the one with HoboNick/Maya. Awwww.
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Oh, this site has some info on the GK pic.
http://readman0.blog37.fc2.com/blog-date-20090531.html
[click 'read more']
So what on Earth does this say anyway?

ただのモブキャラでも良い。出てきてくれて嬉しいよ。
弁護士・成歩堂が大好きで・・・
霊媒師の真宵ちゃん&ハミちゃんが大好きで。
逆転裁判4で多少ならずショックを受けてたからなぁ。

My interest was piqued by the auto-translator, but it's probably inaccurate... [stuff about 'in love' *cough*]
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icer wrote:
Oh, this site has some info on the GK pic.
http://readman0.blog37.fc2.com/blog-date-20090531.html
[click 'read more']
So what on Earth does this say anyway?

ただのモブキャラでも良い。出てきてくれて嬉しいよ。
弁護士・成歩堂が大好きで・・・
霊媒師の真宵ちゃん&ハミちゃんが大好きで。
逆転裁判4で多少ならずショックを受けてたからなぁ。

My interest was piqued by the auto-translator, but it's probably inaccurate... [stuff about 'in love' *cough*]


...Interesting...
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All I can read is Naruhodo no Mayoi chan & Haru chan and Gyakuten Saiban...

hmmm...
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Anyone notice that whenever Pearl brings up Nick and Maya being in love, Maya always turns red or gets frustrated or something? Like in case 2-3, Pearl mentions spending New Year's with her "love". Maya says something along the lines of "P-Pearl! We have to go!". I noticed that she never denied it. It was as if she was hiding it.
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Maya *aggrevated sprite*: P-Pearly! Would you cut that out?! You're embarrassing me!
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Anyone notice that whenever Pearl brings up Nick and Maya being in love, Maya always turns red or gets frustrated or something? Like in case 2-3, Pearl mentions spending New Year's with her "love". Maya says something along the lines of "P-Pearl! We have to go!". I noticed that she never denied it. It was as if she was hiding it.
2-4
Pearl: So, I guess you and Mr. Nick can go back to being lovey-dovey now, right?
Maya *aggrevated sprite*: P-Pearly! Would you cut that out?! You're embarrassing me!
"You're embarrassing me!"
"You're embarrassing me!"


I've noticed that alot too. She never does deny it and if ever Pearl brings up the subject to Phoenix he doesn't deny that either. Go Pearls! :pearl:
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I noticed that too. She never flat out denies it and always says "You're embarrassing me", not "You're embarrassing us" or "Pearls has the wrong idea", it is implied Maya may have a bit of a crush on Nick, don't you think?
Also I noticed when Nick meets Pearls for the first time and she does the "special someone" thing, Nick goes very red.
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I noticed that too. She never flat out denies it and always says "You're embarrassing me", not "You're embarrassing us" or "Pearls has the wrong idea", it is implied Maya may have a bit of a crush on Nick, don't you think?
Also I noticed when Nick meets Pearls for the first time and she does the "special someone" thing, Nick goes very red.


Nick: (Why am I being boiled into a bright red lobster by this little kid?!)

Or something along those lines.
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Amy wrote:
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I noticed that too. She never flat out denies it and always says "You're embarrassing me", not "You're embarrassing us" or "Pearls has the wrong idea", it is implied Maya may have a bit of a crush on Nick, don't you think?
Also I noticed when Nick meets Pearls for the first time and she does the "special someone" thing, Nick goes very red.


Nick: (Why am I being boiled into a bright red lobster by this little kid?!)

Or something along those lines.


You got it perfectly. :pearl:

Then a short time later he said:
W-Wait... I... Uh...
I mean... We aren't...
Things aren't like...
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Johnny Rotan wrote:
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I noticed that too. She never flat out denies it and always says "You're embarrassing me", not "You're embarrassing us" or "Pearls has the wrong idea", it is implied Maya may have a bit of a crush on Nick, don't you think?
Also I noticed when Nick meets Pearls for the first time and she does the "special someone" thing, Nick goes very red.


Nick: (Why am I being boiled into a bright red lobster by this little kid?!)

Or something along those lines.


You got it perfectly. :pearl:

Then a short time later he said:
W-Wait... I... Uh...
I mean... We aren't...
Things aren't like...


Thanks, Johnny! :edgy:

And could this be taken as evidence of a crush, at least?
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You mean he has a wee crush on her a bit (and he on him?) I think so (Maya on Nick IMO).
I just thought of the ending of 2-4, the famous "I can't even save the person closest to me!" dialogue. It's clear that Nick and Maya care very much about each other, but on his part he doesn't say "the girl I love".
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ただのモブキャラでも良い。出てきてくれて嬉しいよ。
弁護士・成歩堂が大好きで・・・
霊媒師の真宵ちゃん&ハミちゃんが大好きで。
逆転裁判4で多少ならずショックを受けてたからなぁ。


All I can read is Naruhodo no Mayoi chan & Haru chan and Gyakuten Saiban...

hmmm...

The middle two lines are key. This could be very interesting.

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I just thought of the ending of 2-4, the famous "I can't even save the person closest to me!" dialogue. It's clear that Nick and Maya care very much about each other, but on his part he doesn't say "the girl I love".

Well, they're not actively involved in an admitted romance in 2-4 [or even 3-5]. That would come later. And nobody except the Maya haters can deny they love each other, it's only the romantic love some people find debatable. So that doesn't mean anything. 2-4 and 3-5 are really kind of about Phoenix realising what Maya really means to him, anyway.
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Is it that thread on Facebook???
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What thread? Huh? Fill me in please ...
And your gathering of evidence is pretty interesting. Proceed :)
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"Naruhodo no Mayoi chan" - That's interesting, I read/heard the "chan" suffix is often used to express affection, or is usually used between close friends at least.
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"Naruhodo no Mayoi chan" - That's interesting, I read/heard the "chan" suffix is often used to express affection, or is usually used between close friends at least.

I will resist posting the auto-translators, but there's a lot about Edgeworth commenting on 'lawyer Naruhodo in love' and 'love with master medium Mayoi' and er I need a translation since it's probably sadly inaccurate. I also have this 3rd-hand info, which I didn't think was so significant before, but put them together
Spoiler: GK
That's the Gatewater Land theme park, or actually outside it. Edgeworth makes an 'unrelated' comment during the Easter Egg about how couples in love who live happily ever after if they cross the bridge/under the bridge or something. Sure Pearl could have put them up to it, but there was no reason to still be pushing the canon Pearl agenda during their token appearance except that some writer/s still support it :)

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And your gathering of evidence is pretty interesting. Proceed :)

Uh, thread in the Edgeworth Mafia group/club/whatever it is there. Think it's a bit overboard
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icer wrote:
Oh, this site has some info on the GK pic.
http://readman0.blog37.fc2.com/blog-date-20090531.html
[click 'read more']
So what on Earth does this say anyway?

ただのモブキャラでも良い。出てきてくれて嬉しいよ。
弁護士・成歩堂が大好きで・・・
霊媒師の真宵ちゃん&ハミちゃんが大好きで。
逆転裁判4で多少ならずショックを受けてたからなぁ。

My interest was piqued by the auto-translator, but it's probably inaccurate... [stuff about 'in love' *cough*]



Okay so I'll romanji-ize these lines since I know all the kanji in it. I can't translate yet sadly...
Last two lines

naruhodo no mayoi chan & haru chan dai kou ki de.
Gyakuten Saiban 4 de tashou na shi(yoshi) ku wa ju ke te ta ka ra naa.

Daikou means big love or to fancy
tashou means a little bit

Naruhodo no mayoi chan & haru chan is weird, but I suppose they are HIS friends so there is the possessive particle.
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Wrong translation. It might be the extra jumpiness in all of us. XD


The correct romanization is this:

Tada no MOBUKYARA demo ii. Dete kite kurete ureshii yo.
Bengoshi ・ Naruhodou ga dai suki de ・・・
Reibaishi no Mayoi-chan & Hami-chan ga dai suki de.
Gyakuten Saiban 4 tashou narazu SHOCK uketetakara naa.


As far as my understanding on the kanji goes, it's not talking about the characters themselves, but rather how the blog post author feels about the characters and stuff, and mentioning how s/he thinks there'll be a big shock reveal in it.
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Shock... I should have known it was a foreign word!

Ahhh I still have lots of studying to do. Thank you.
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Just to let you guys know... I think I've started to support :phoenix: x :franny: more then :phoenix: x :maya: so I'm probably done with this thread :larry:
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^That's the cover of their new doujinshi. Love the expressions. Those ones don't seem to make it out of Japan-only sites :(


I may not like the pairing but I find the fanart to be just adorable. Like those Icer brought in.
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*settles in to comfy PxM thread*

*grabs cookie*

*waves to everyone*

How you guise doin? XD

Nice to see we are once again discussing super fluffy and cute moments from the games, and posting pretty art. Thats my fave kind of posts.

All the PxI debate that trickles in here does my head in. Uhhhhh NOT here to read that dudes!
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Excellent fanfiction Shiki Tohno!! I absolutely adored it. I like the fact that Maya overpowered Nick here while usually it is he who is overpowering her. I also love how you made Maya seem so serious yet we could tell that she was still the Maya we know and loved when she jumped up screaming "Yesyesyesyes". I thought that part was hilarious yet so Maya!! :maya:

*Waves back at kitsune13* Hello hello! I'm doing very well! Thanks for asking! :phoenix:

At the moment I'm trying to make some time so I can draw some PxM art but school has caught up with me! As soon as I get the time and I actually finish I'll post it here first!
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Shiki Tohno wrote:

I knew it was you. Even before I read the ending comment. [That... could be a good thing? ]
animegal9215 wrote:
At the moment I'm trying to make some time so I can draw some PxM art but school has caught up with me! As soon as I get the time and I actually finish I'll post it here first!

Draw it in class :butzthumbs:
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Wrong translation. It might be the extra jumpiness in all of us. XD

Yeah, I suspected as much... but it was worth a try.
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icer wrote:
Shiki Tohno wrote:

I knew it was you. Even before I read the ending comment. [That... could be a good thing? ]
LOL, somehow I feel flattered by this. =3


icer wrote:
Shiki Tohno wrote:
Wrong translation. It might be the extra jumpiness in all of us. XD

Yeah, I suspected as much... but it was worth a try.
Fair enough. =p
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...like the scent of fresh lemon.

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Hmmmmm...I know this is a bit unrelated, but I honestly think something super canon will be revealed in GK or GS5. Maybe both, since we already have some GK stuff by the looks of it. *crosses fingers*
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Hmmmmm...I know this is a bit unrelated, but I honestly think something super canon will be revealed in GK or GS5. Maybe both, since we already have some GK stuff by the looks of it. *crosses fingers*

I kind of don't. We'll be lucky to even get a decent ref of Maya again if GS5 is 'AJ'2. But it's soo long with no GS5, I bet they have not started it. Holding out my evil hopes for GK2 instead - more likely to get some decent Phoenix-Maya action there.
In all honesty, I think some of the GS staff supported this pairing [whoever invented Pearl and her shipping for one] and maybe some didn't. Which ones and where they are now, who knows. (Pity, since then I can't write and personally congratulate them :edgy: )

There's that Capcom US forum, but I bet nobody reads it, even the Capcom US staff.
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...like the scent of fresh lemon.

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icer wrote:
supportsandships wrote:
Hmmmmm...I know this is a bit unrelated, but I honestly think something super canon will be revealed in GK or GS5. Maybe both, since we already have some GK stuff by the looks of it. *crosses fingers*

I kind of don't. We'll be lucky to even get a decent ref of Maya again if GS5 is 'AJ'2. But it's soo long with no GS5, I bet they have not started it. Holding out my evil hopes for GK2 instead - more likely to get some decent Phoenix-Maya action there.
In all honesty, I think some of the GS staff supported this pairing [whoever invented Pearl and her shipping for one] and maybe some didn't. Which ones and where they are now, who knows. (Pity, since then I can't write and personally congratulate them :edgy: )

There's that Capcom US forum, but I bet nobody reads it, even the Capcom US staff.


GK2...will there be a GK2? If so it'd probably take place sometime after Phoenix...
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got disbarred

do I'm counting on some P/M action there, also. Cuz Edgey has to go visit his friend, amiwright?
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I am PRAYING for Nick and Maya action in future games! Their chemistry is undeniably splendid! I love all the little hints of infatuation.

Phoenix: I think she has the wrong idea about you and I.
Maya: *surprised face* Huh?! I...
Maya: *thinking face* ... Umm... *concerned face* There's something you need to understand...
Then she says the Kurain men thing.

"Iris": Mystic Maya... She is your girlfriend, isn't she?
Phoenix: ...!

Those are a couple of my favorite ones from T & T. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that they became a couple in manga?
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Just in doujins, I think. I don't recall them having a canon relationship in one of the official manga ...
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