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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:19 pm

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His sound clips sound English to me. Plus some of his dialogue such as using "that's bloody obvious" seems British. He also got his tea set from England ;)

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:30 pm

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How can Edgey be British when he is a childhoodfriend with Larry and Nick? He has to live in America since he is 6 or seven, at least.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:29 pm

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Sahnie wrote:

Whatever.
How can Edgey be British when he is a childhoodfriend with Larry and Nick? He has to live in America since he is 6 or seven, at least.

Well, it depends on his upbringing. It could be that Gregory Edgeworth was British, and simply moved to LA after attending University and getting a degree in law. Maybe von Karma had some British tutors to teach Miles; considering that there's an island full of English speakers across the Channel, would mean that hiring from there would be cheaper than hiring from the USA.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:13 am

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I don't think he literally is British, but I think he has the accent. Inexplicable accents are funnier!

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:24 am

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So the argument is that the original version has him raised in America, yet he strikes us as British? Aren't Americans and British people practically the same in origin? Many people perceive the British as being higher, if not stuffier. If so, wouldn't a very high-class American strike us as British? That's what Edgey is, I think.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:47 am

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I always had this in mind:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ndence.jpg

Think about it. You know this was what they were going for. :phoenix:

Also, Von Karma has a blue coat, Edgeworth has a reddish coat.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:12 pm

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I think Edgeworth is British. That doesn't mean he was born in England, though. His name (both first and last), his voice, and a lot of his mannerisms and vocabulary strike me as British. His father could have easily been from England.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:14 pm

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tsukixkumori wrote:

:edgeworth: So he's got the foofy thing...and he likes tea. You know, there are people who like to be fashionable and like tea. I dunno. I just hate the idea of him being British. It just doesn't suit him, in my opinion. What do you think?

Well, with myself being British, I would say Edgeworth is, (mostly because he reminds me of a comrade of mine, most people abhor him and some people love him, a bit like Edgeworth.)

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:00 pm

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I think Edgeworth is British the way that sushi-eating, cat ear-wearing anime fangirls are Japanese.

It's possible that he could be.

But I don't think he literally is.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:16 am

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Have you ever hear him say objection? We don't think he is British, he IS British.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:45 am

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Yeah, imo it's extremely obvious he's British.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:11 pm

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Well, he doesn't specify where he's from, nor any native language other than English, so one would assume that he's English or American. And he is just SO UN-AMERICAN. :eh?:

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:57 pm

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I don't think he sounds all that British at all >_>

I agree. I have a cousin who is british and he doesn't really sound like that. His parents and sister neither.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:11 am

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Ok now, really, the accent in the soundclips can't be taken as proof that he's British. Just because he has a British accent in his soundclips, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's from England. Personally, I think that the reason they had the accent in the first place (if it was intentional at all) was to emphasise his upper-class status.
We really should stop using the soundclips as proof. Just because Payne's 'Objection' is really high, does that mean he always talks like that? What about Manfred's really low 'Objection'? Does he talk like that all the time (Ok, maybe he does)?

I do agree that his mannerisms are quite British, though overall, he's American to me. Then again, I never really though about AA characters having nationalities.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:51 am

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Why do we assume that Edgeworth is British, you ask? It's very simple. Let us start with his habits. As we've seen from certain games, Edgeworth appreciates having time to sit down and enjoy tea. As far as I know, Britain seems to be the only country that has a specified "tea time". Second, of course, are his voice clips. I believe it is fair to presume that the voice clips are at least somewhat representative of what the characters really sound like. However, there is a plot hole in the "Edgeworth is British" theory. We've all heard Franziska Von Karma's objection, of course. Now then, from what I can hear, I detect a hint of a German accent. Which makes sense, because her and her father are from Germany. Now then, how on earth could Edgeworth have a British accent as opposed to a German one? The rest is up to you, forum dwellers.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:56 pm

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ProsecutorPanda wrote:

Now then, how on earth could Edgeworth have a British accent as opposed to a German one? The rest is up to you, forum dwellers.

I'd expect his accent to be a bit affected, but no dice. But I somehow fail to hear the German in Franziska.

Was it even mentioned Edgey had lived in Britain to develop such an accent? Maybe he already had some inflection from when he was young, maybe it was what Gregory taught him?

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Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:08 pm

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I don't think Edgeworth is British and I never had the thought of it.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:24 pm

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Karmi-Sempai wrote:

ProsecutorPanda wrote:

Now then, how on earth could Edgeworth have a British accent as opposed to a German one? The rest is up to you, forum dwellers.

I'd expect his accent to be a bit affected, but no dice. But I somehow fail to hear the German in Franziska.

Was it even mentioned Edgey had lived in Britain to develop such an accent? Maybe he already had some inflection from when he was young, maybe it was what Gregory taught him?

Perhaps the absurd amount of tea he drinks has transformed him into a Brit?

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:42 pm

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here's one thing you all forget though, it's set in the future and in the future posh people can change there accents! But yea he's definitely British, i'm british and we all wear posh suits and those white ruffs, we also shout take that and objection in extremely british voices

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:30 pm

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As a Brit I have to say he is most definitely British. The accent is very British sounding, I thought that the moment he was onscreen. He uses alot of English expressions and no I am not including Ergo in that. Having said that how does his attire come across as British? In all my many years living over here I have never seen anyone dress like Edgeworth. As for the name I know 2 men called Miles both are British and one is married to a barrister! Though admittedly he isn't one himself.
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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:02 pm

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Adrian in black wrote:

I think Edgeworth is British the way that sushi-eating, cat ear-wearing anime fangirls are Japanese.

It's possible that he could be.

But I don't think he literally is.

But why would Phoenix want to be friends with a stuck-up British wannabe?

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:15 pm

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Cause he's cool? XD

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:21 pm

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Icarus wrote:

Adrian in black wrote:

I think Edgeworth is British the way that sushi-eating, cat ear-wearing anime fangirls are Japanese.

It's possible that he could be.

But I don't think he literally is.

But why would Phoenix want to be friends with a stuck-up British wannabe?

Because that stuck-up British wannabe isn't attacking his Dollie, silly.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:41 pm

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I actually never pictured Edgey being British until I heard him use the phrase "that's bloody obvious"- sure, it could be an affectation, but can you imagine anyone saying that phrase in an American accent? I'd find it hilarious personally XD

I couldn't really notice any accent from his "Objection!" clip though ^_^

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:15 am

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My Thoughts:

It's possible that Edgeworth's mother was British and he and his family lived in Europe for a while. His dad got a job in America to be a defense attorney and either his wife died or he left her and took Miles. When he got there, that's when Miles went into Phoenix's fourth grade class. By then he would still be British. After his dad was killed, Von Karma took him back to Europe where he than again adapted to European life styles.

To make a long story short:
He is British

(In my opinion.)

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:29 pm

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Point 1: I defy anyone who calls Edgeworth gay!
Point 2: When he shouts 'objection' he has a British accent.
Point 3: He crushes polystyrene cups full of hot tea, only a true Brit could have such strength!
Point 4: I defy anyone who calls Edgeworth gay! (again!)
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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:43 pm

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Edgeworth is gay.

Gay for WOMEN.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:43 pm

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Edgeworth is British. And that's the bottom line 'cause KHF said so.
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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:06 am

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Icarus wrote:

Edgeworth is gay.

Gay for WOMEN.

So basically he's a lesbian in a man's body.

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Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:51 am

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:49 pm

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Edgeworth's nationality is probably not British (ie I don't think he was born there or has a citizenship etc), but a lot of his mannerisms are stereotypical British.

Consider:
- His vocabulary, using "bloody ____" , which most North American ppl don't use; "ergo" etc
- His dress sense. Cravats remind me of British upper class
- His tea set; while drinking tea doesn't make someone British-like (I love tea), his beloved tea set is British
- His voice; I hear British accent in there. But even before his "take that", I kinda read his dialogue with a British accent in mind

A possible explanation could be that while he was under Von Karma's care in Germany, he was probably sent to some posh school, possibly an English school, ie not necessarily a school in England, but a school that uses English language to teach in Germany (I say that because he doesn't have any German accent or mannerisms), and I imagine those schools would allow him to pick up some British mannerisms. It's possible he went to a boarding school in England, but I don't see this as very likely because I think Von Karma would want to keep him close, to influence him and such.

And even if he went to a posh German school, they'd still probably teach English there as a second language. And since this is Germany, the English they teach there would be British English, which is where he got his accent.

So Edgeworth probably isn't British, but he acts like he is XD

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:58 am

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Many a counter do I have to some points that have been made, but as I just read the entire thread, I'm sure I'll forget to mention something along the way. That being said, I am going to warn you, this reply will be LONG. I have broken it up by spoiler tag so you can read it in bits and pieces and not have to stare at a wall of text.

For the GENERAL TL;DR see the following:

While it'd be kinda nifty if he was British, I really never saw him that way, nor am convinced that he is.

Now for the "Wendy Oldbag" version (that is to say, the long-winded part where I prattle on about things like a retarded little otaku who has too much random knowledge or useless opinions.)

Spoiler: Language and Dialogue

Spoiler: Behavior and Mannerisms

This is actually much the same argument as above, and is again referenced to the Victorian era, where many of his peculiar character traits can be referenced from (we are going to exclude his obvious Otaku-love for the Steel Samurai here, because, quite frankly, anyone can be an Otaku, regardless of social stature or nationality). In the Victorian era there were certain actions that were prohibited and others that had rather complicated 'rules of order'. There were specific ways to greet different types of people (the master of the house, a teacher, your wife, your sister, a work comrade, and the list goes on) and specific ways in which you were supposed to interact with them. For instance, he treats von Karma incredibly different that he treats Lana Skye, though both technically mentored him at some time. This is in part because von Karma is also something of a father figure, but also because, and at the risk of sounding sexist, Lana is a woman, and garnered a different type of respect. There were proper and improper formalities (it's actually insanely complicated and I don't know how anyone could have known such things, but this is how it was then).
Tack onto all of this how Edgeworth was also raised in a presumably wealthy environment and it basically becomes a given that he would have at least some such formality. Look at the current Queen of England, for example, there are still many of these such traditions in use today in such circles, the type of circles that you wouldn't find your Hollywood big-names treading in - they are not entirely of the same caliber of person (not to say that they aren't rich, they just aren't precisely held to the same standards of formality... or so I speculate).

Again, in essence:
Edgeworth is well educated, raised under strict formality and perhaps highly influenced by the types of circles of society that he would interact with whilst under the care of von Karma (I shan't speculate much on his time before that because I don't know anything about Greggory other than that he was a famous Defense Attorney, yet I have learnt a decent amount about Manfred through the set gameplay) OR he was based upon such formalities and social complications during localization.

Spoiler: The repeating theme of "The Voice" AKA "Take That"

Being perfectly honest, I can't say that the three words that he says in the first three games are really enough to be able to render any form of accent (haven't played AAI yet, and I think that "Eureka" was a stupid word-choice for the localization team, though I have heard this word countless times in my youth, and therefore refuse to categorize it as British), they are ridiculously short and are all over-emphasized for the sake of dramatics. For all we know the voice actor/staffer had a pocket of air stuck in his throat when he said that like and as a result it came out funny. Although, I have also heard people pronounce their "that"s in such a way, people who are absolutely not British or English at all. I haven't travelled much in my life, but I have lived in several states or different parts of several states for at least several months at a time, and so I can attest to the diversity of accents, but at the same time, my own "accent" is often misplaced, and by no conscious action of my own.

Ready for an anecdote?
Essentially, I was born and raised on Long Island, NY about 2 hours away from NYC in a town called Mount Sinai; if you want to get specific (Which I will because 95% of the time if I say I'm from "Long Island" people assume I'm from NYC, which.. I am most certainly NOT, in fact, I HATE NYC. Never wanna live there EVAH... Though I kinda hate LI, too... but... yeah) I went to RIT, which is up in Rochester NY, about 8 hours away. Rochester has an upstate NY accent (namely accentuated "a" sounds), LI has it's own accent (can't describe.. apparently if you try to pronounce 'Long Island", instead we say "lon guy lan" or something like that? I do have trouble with -ing endings, though, so I guess that too? they come out as -in endings if I say them too fast), Brooklyn has it's own accent (if you ever watch a movie in English with a NY mobster or something, he's probably speaking in Brooklyn), and I think there's a fourth accent somewhere in the middle of upstate and Brooklyn. I also spent one summer in Akron Ohio (had it's own accent) with a family that had a Michigan accent ("roof" of your house was pronounced closer to 'rough') and where I held a part-time job down-town at a place owned by a Pennsylvanian (he had an accent too~ but I forget what it was like).
Went to a job interview in Pennsylvania some time later. They asked where I was from. I said "NY... Long Island to be more specific" .....
They stared at me... then proceeded to tell me how they had thought I was from the Mid-west, or Central Mid-West based on my accent.
So long story to a conclusion: accent really can be easily misinterpreted...

And other random thoughts

as for the word "bloody" as in "bloody hell" I use that on occasion (actually, rather often... and as previously mentioned I was born and raised on LI) I also use 'verily' a lot, and rarely 'ergo'. 'Quite' is pretty much a part of my daily vocab.

I have an outfit with the frills and things like his, but it's a Victorian era/Steampunk outfit... (depending on accessories... interestingly, it's also in his color, though I wasn't yet playing the games when it was constructed, luck of the draw, I suppose)

I have a Japanese tea set, and I am part-German-Irish-Italian American - not Japanese. And I love tea. I love tea so much that I can't stand Lipton tea unless it's that Brisk sugary shit (because it's so sweet at that point that it's practically not even tea any more). When I go to restaurants I have to ask if they have non-Lipton hot tea, and if Lipton is all they have I can't order any. Lipton tastes like Braces. //can be rather stuck-up about tea//

... I'm forgetting a comment that I wanted to make... If I remember I'll edit the post later (or make a new one if someone else has replied by then)

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Tue May 25, 2010 9:04 pm

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I think it's because of his European flair/attitude, as well as a slight accent in his voice acting in the English PW.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Wed May 26, 2010 1:27 am

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Anarance wrote:

I think it's because of his European flair/attitude, as well as a slight accent in his voice acting in the English PW.

In my TL;DR comment directly above, I actually talk about those.
I don't think speech pattern is really that easy to pinpoint.
The attitude I think is more stuck-up and elitist than European~

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:32 am

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Hmm my theory is that he's an american raised as english.
Edgeworth's dad was british, right?
I can't say much about the voice clips since i played the spanish version.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:58 am

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... people seem to keep saying that two reasons for him to most likely be british are
1: his love of tea
2: his use of the word bloody

I say this evidence could be used to say that he is in fact Irish... that's right, Irish. His vocabulary, and accent, simply come from being raised in the posher areas of Dublin.

... why this hadn't occurred to anyone else, I don't know.

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:35 pm

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Probably because he's not drunk all the time.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:15 pm

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Gyakuten Phoenix wrote:

Probably because he's not drunk all the time.

Diddly-dee potatoes~

I resemble that remark!

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I mean resent...

Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:35 pm

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Payne wrote:

... people seem to keep saying that two reasons for him to most likely be british are
1: his love of tea
2: his use of the word bloody

I say this evidence could be used to say that he is in fact Irish... that's right, Irish. His vocabulary, and accent, simply come from being raised in the posher areas of Dublin.

... why this hadn't occurred to anyone else, I don't know.

~~Because you're the only Irish one here~~ Nice signature.

I think it's because he's classy and speaks like a sophisticated person. In media, Americans tend to not be that way. Therefore he must be British. Logic leaps for the win.

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Re: Why does everyone think Edgey is British?

Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:50 pm

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Cravat of Doom wrote:

I think it's because he's classy and speaks like a sophisticated person. In media, Americans tend to not be that way.

... and in all media (except Irish produced media), Irish people are the same, I suppose... I just really wanted our country to be represented in the game... but I guess, there's still no evidence that Edgey isn't just a posh Dubliner, so I still have to cling to that small hope...

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Nice signature.

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