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*Phoenix down&

*Thread comes back with 27 hit points*

I'm on to case 3-4, that's the one with the other girl that people like to Put Feenie with right?
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You're talking about Iris, right?
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I wrote another Phoenix x Maya fanfic for a request. The elders are trying to force Maya into a traditional arranged marriage. Except that Maya really has feelings for *someone else* the elders don't approve of. It was fun to write the confessional scenes. And Phoenix explains the Iris situation to Maya! Also, see if you can spot the references to something earlier in this thread, LOL.

I'd give the story a 15+ rating. [Mature themes are alluded to but nothing is shown onscreen]
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You Icer, are awesome. Your story there is honestly one of the best Phoenix/Maya fics I've ever read. You wrote some great, highly-believable angst, and most importantly, gave the characters some hope for the future. Wonderful stuff.
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Nice story, but having Nick and Maya have sex at random and not set their situation in stone is kind of a turnoff for me. >_>
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Awesome story! Icer, you are one of the best Nick x Maya fanfiction writer I know! Also, i agree with Dominican, the 'sex' was kinda random and off character a little bit...lol but it's still awesome <33 :will:
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Should I wait until I'm done with 3-5 before I read it...?
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DominicanZero wrote:
Nice story, but having Nick and Maya have sex at random and not set their situation in stone is kind of a turnoff for me. >_>


I couldn't have them get married, because I had to fit with the canon of the Apollo Justice game *sob*.
But this way we can pretend my fic really happened in line with what we see in the games.
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I couldn't have them get married, because I had to fit with the canon of the Apollo Justice game *sob*.
But this way we can pretend my fic really happened in line with what we see in the games.
Which I fully understand, trust me. However, I rather think a passionate kiss, aptly described in detail with all the feelings lingering behind it, would have been a more tactful and elegant approach to the situation.


You might want to consider it for the future. ;-)
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I was wondering if this is a series of stories icer?
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Okay, forgive me if this comes out weird, I'm typing it out on my Wii's internet explorer. XD

I was just replaying case 3-3 a while ago, and I happened upon some nice hints of what Nick thinks of Maya...

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When Phoenix comes back to Tres Bien after Maya is hired, Maya greets him in a voice that he finds rather cute, not knowing right away who it is, then after seeing her in uniform for a few seconds, comments she should give up being a medium, obviously because she's downright cute in it. XD


Just an amusing hint I thought to say. ^^
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I'm bashing! Well, poking with a "no" stick. They just don't seem like a couple to me, not just because of an age difference. At the end Of Trials and Tribulations, I figured Phoenix would be with...

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Iris. It just seemed right to be back with the one he originally loved right? Granted she's in jail, but she was never a really bad person.
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RemixV4 wrote:
I'm bashing! Well, poking with a "no" stick. They just don't seem like a couple to me, not just because of an age difference. At the end Of Trials and Tribulations, I figured Phoenix would be with...

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Iris. It just seemed right to be back with the one he originally loved right? Granted she's in jail, but she was never a really bad person.


Spoiler: all of this is about the end of 3-5
You know, Feenris always kind of rubs me the wrong way just because of how it's presented in the story. The final reveal that it was really Iris all along has little to do with the rest of the story, and just seems totally contrived to me. It also lessens the impact that Dahlia had on Phoenix, since she wasn't actually manipulating him the whole time... it semi-ruins the story for me. And is Phoenix expected to just jump back into a relationship that ended six years ago? He's grown a hell of a lot since then.

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RemixV4 wrote:
I'm bashing! Well, poking with a "bogus" stick. They just don't seem like a couple to me, not just because of an age difference. At the end Of line dances and Tribulations, I figured Phoenix would be with...

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Iris. It just seemed right to be back with the one he originally loved right? Granted she's in jail, but she was never a really bad person.


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Nick/Iris (because Feenris sounds silly) never really tickled my fancy, mainly because Phoenix never really seemed to be 'in love' with "Dahlia," just extremely infatuated with her. I always saw it as a puppy-dog crush. Plus, Iris kinda came out of nowhere, and even though they have a history I didn't really sense any chemistry between them in the scenes they shared. Ah well, everyone interprets things differently. =)


Anyway... *signs* Although I only really support Nick/Maya from case 2-4 on, since she's a bit too young in the first game. Either way, they're a cute pairing. :phoenix:
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I have opinion relevant to this conversation!

SPOILER TAG TIME!

Spoiler: So I finally finished 3-5...
And I have deliberated on the "Evidence" That supports the Nick/Iris pairing, I simply cannot get behind it. Other than the fact that IRis admits to having feelings for feenie, and that it was her that was the "Nice girl" :chinami: Phoenix Only says "That he was right about her not actually changing" Not "OMG DATE ME!" He looks at her in the Detention center, but that's because the game's camera doesn't move so he couldn't look anywhere el- *Shot*

you get the idea, now lets look at the Evidence to supports PhoenixxMaya, from both angles

Phoenix to maya

1. Most importantly, The guy will do ANYTHING for Maya, ANYTHING, I think it starts out because Maya is Mia's little sister, but as they were in each other's presence for extended periods of time (I can actually only assume that they both live in the same place actually, because Maya never alludes to having a home, Maybe they live in an apartment above the law office? Well anyway...) I think Phoenix's motivations changed to be more about how HE felt about her.

I've heard people say it's a Brother/sister bond, but I kinda have to doubt that a little, just given how hard he fights for her how often, and even how they interact, they almost seem flirty some of the time.

Anyway, Phoenix tried to cross a burning bridge, represented a guilty Client, Saved her ass personally from the death sentence (A possible three times) as well as went through the same Spirit Training as Maya (The "Special Course") And generally did whatever was in his power to protect her

2. They never really deny it when accused, they have a little talk about it back and forth themselves, but let's face it, people can be in denial about that sort of thing too, and if any couple would, these two might


Maya to Phoenix

1 Before I finished 2-4 I was unsure if there was anything there, but after that, I'm pretty much 100% sure that she thinks of him as more than a brother, even though she teases him, she may very well just feel like he'd never think of her the same way she does him (C'mon, a lot of us have been there) and is to afraid to suggest anything

2. She's always acting a lot like an energetic Girlfriend to Phoenix, taking him places he sometimes doesn't really want to go (But does anyway, for aforementioned, he'd do anything for Maya)

And, Misc. Factors

1. Iris is in jail for ?? Years since she's an accomplace to murder, meaning that even if Feenie did like her, he'd have to wait for her, and in the meantime, Maya would be there, being the cute little Maya she is

2. Pearl is dead set on them being a couple, and do not underestimate the power of a nine year old with an agenda, the girl keeps setting them up to go places, not to mention she assaults Phoenix if he even looks at another woman.

4. A few times, there have actually been what seem to be "After the case is over" Dates made, like a promise of a boat ride in the first game, as well as promising to "Roll over for Maya after the case in The big top


To be honest, for Phoenix, I see only two possible pairings, :maya: or :edgeworth: (But I don't really feel theres much hard evidence for this one)

Anyway, that's my take


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Now, my thoughts about IRIS
Spoiler: 3-5
Iris is a plot device to demonstrate that Phoenix has matured, though his basic character traits are unchanged, but now in a more refined form. There was definitely a canon romance back when he was 21, but it ended at Phoenix's 1st murder trial. Always, Iris cares about Phoenix enough to give bandaid measures like giving him a demon-warding hood or trying to take the bottle, but not enough to either tell him about what's happening or tell the police. She doesn't the first time and she doesn't the second time in 3-5. [And I mean it, just telling Phoenix or the police would have prevented the whole fiasco both times.] Iris still has the same problems which stop her being Phoenix's perfect partner. Her first priority is still protecting Dahlia, who tried to murder Phoenix, even in 3-5.

Obviously Phoenix didn't get proper resolution of their relationship until 3-5, there's still lingering pain and confusion and he still somehow believes that couldn't have been his girlfriend disowning him and trying to murder him on the stand. It seems a stupid, irrational belief at the time. Enter Godot, who believes that this same, seemingly irrational 'Feenie' is the same oblivious idiot who let Mia be murdered before his eyes. Of course, Diego's impression of Phoenix is highly in error, and notice that the same 'irrational' belief and passion for fighting for his client has been honed and refined into what makes Phoenix a great lawyer in the courtroom. This is what Mia has given him. Notice what Diego loves in Mia is her belief in her client. This is why he hates Phoenix. He reminds him of Mia and how she was killed, which deep down he blames himself for but projects this on Phoenix.

The Iris plot is designed to show how Phoenix has matured since he first met Mia [ie. the effect his mentor has had on him] but also emphasises that his basic personality hasn't changed, just been refined. This is why we see that Phoenix's 'irrational' belief in Iris as a person all these years turns out to be true, in court in front of Diego. Phoenix wasn't irrational or insane. He was right. And he believed in Iris as a person. But there relationship did end that day. Iris hadn't really changed, and still wouldn't do anything meaningful to protect Phoenix. The relationship is resolved on good terms now, but it's a thing of the past. Iris isn't exactly his perfectly suitable partner personality-wise now, and notice they send her to jail. Oh, and she's a nun. 2 big hints against a canon-implied future relationship.


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Which I fully understand, trust me. However, I rather think a passionate kiss, aptly described in detail with all the feelings lingering behind it, would have been a more tactful and elegant approach to the situation.


I understand completely, the main reason I wrote it like that is that meme usually doesn't have G-rated stories. However, I suppose it wouldn't be that difficult to rewrite a few parts of the fic to make a PG-rated version. If there's enough demand of course :)

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I was wondering if this is a series of stories icer?


Not a literal 'series' but I'm convinced in my head that all my fanfics somehow happened, even the ones which contradict each other. I'm sure to write another Phoenix X Maya story sooner or later. I like them to be able to believably fit with the canon though so the real games can't disrupt my fantasies.
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That was the best Phoenix x Maya theory i've read.


Heh, many thanks, I've thought about it far more than is healthy.

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Now, my thoughts about IRIS
Spoiler: 3-5
Iris is a plot device to demonstrate that Phoenix has matured, though his basic character traits are unchanged, but now in a more refined form. There was definitely a canon romance back when he was 21, but it ended at Phoenix's 1st murder trial. Always, Iris cares about Phoenix enough to give bandaid measures like giving him a demon-warding hood or trying to take the bottle, but not enough to either tell him about what's happening or tell the police. She doesn't the first time and she doesn't the second time in 3-5. [And I mean it, just telling Phoenix or the police would have prevented the whole fiasco both times.] Iris still has the same problems which stop her being Phoenix's perfect partner. Her first priority is still protecting Dahlia, who tried to murder Phoenix, even in 3-5.

Obviously Phoenix didn't get proper resolution of their relationship until 3-5, there's still lingering pain and confusion and he still somehow believes that couldn't have been his girlfriend disowning him and trying to murder him on the stand. It seems a stupid, irrational belief at the time. Enter Godot, who believes that this same, seemingly irrational 'Feenie' is the same oblivious idiot who let Mia be murdered before his eyes. Of course, Diego's impression of Phoenix is highly in error, and notice that the same 'irrational' belief and passion for fighting for his client has been honed and refined into what makes Phoenix a great lawyer in the courtroom. This is what Mia has given him. Notice what Diego loves in Mia is her belief in her client. This is why he hates Phoenix. He reminds him of Mia and how she was killed, which deep down he blames himself for but projects this on Phoenix.

The Iris plot is designed to show how Phoenix has matured since he first met Mia [ie. the effect his mentor has had on him] but also emphasises that his basic personality hasn't changed, just been refined. This is why we see that Phoenix's 'irrational' belief in Iris as a person all these years turns out to be true, in court in front of Diego. Phoenix wasn't irrational or insane. He was right. And he believed in Iris as a person. But there relationship did end that day. Iris hadn't really changed, and still wouldn't do anything meaningful to protect Phoenix. The relationship is resolved on good terms now, but it's a thing of the past. Iris isn't exactly his perfectly suitable partner personality-wise now, and notice they send her to jail. Oh, and she's a nun. 2 big hints against a canon-implied future relationship.





I pretty much agree with you there as well, of course, even baring the nun thing (She's a nun, but that doesn't mean she's a nun of the roman Cathloc church, meaning the rules might be different) But the whole going to jail thing, for something pretty serious, would put a big damper on them as a couple.
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Icer, yours fanfics are awesome!
Anyway, guys a made a drawing of Nick and Maya, it dosn't look very good but I hope you like it.
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Ahhh, Icer, I just read your fic, pretty good, (I think I missed the sex scene though...) you captured the characters well, things seemed to move a little fast, but when I write fics I tend to be more heavy on details than I should.

and of course, my Muse has decided that Phoenix Wright is Awesome and wants me to write some things too, but without playing AJ, I'm unsure where everybody is at

Oh well, that's what the alternate Universe tag is for, anyway, Good job.
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I'll join, because Phoenix and Maya are meant to be.

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icer wrote:
Now, my thoughts about IRIS
Spoiler: 3-5
Iris is a plot device to demonstrate that Phoenix has matured, though his basic character traits are unchanged, but now in a more refined form. There was definitely a canon romance back when he was 21, but it ended at Phoenix's 1st murder trial. Always, Iris cares about Phoenix enough to give bandaid measures like giving him a demon-warding hood or trying to take the bottle, but not enough to either tell him about what's happening or tell the police. She doesn't the first time and she doesn't the second time in 3-5. [And I mean it, just telling Phoenix or the police would have prevented the whole fiasco both times.] Iris still has the same problems which stop her being Phoenix's perfect partner. Her first priority is still protecting Dahlia, who tried to murder Phoenix, even in 3-5.

Obviously Phoenix didn't get proper resolution of their relationship until 3-5, there's still lingering pain and confusion and he still somehow believes that couldn't have been his girlfriend disowning him and trying to murder him on the stand. It seems a stupid, irrational belief at the time. Enter Godot, who believes that this same, seemingly irrational 'Feenie' is the same oblivious idiot who let Mia be murdered before his eyes. Of course, Diego's impression of Phoenix is highly in error, and notice that the same 'irrational' belief and passion for fighting for his client has been honed and refined into what makes Phoenix a great lawyer in the courtroom. This is what Mia has given him. Notice what Diego loves in Mia is her belief in her client. This is why he hates Phoenix. He reminds him of Mia and how she was killed, which deep down he blames himself for but projects this on Phoenix.

The Iris plot is designed to show how Phoenix has matured since he first met Mia [ie. the effect his mentor has had on him] but also emphasises that his basic personality hasn't changed, just been refined. This is why we see that Phoenix's 'irrational' belief in Iris as a person all these years turns out to be true, in court in front of Diego. Phoenix wasn't irrational or insane. He was right. And he believed in Iris as a person. But there relationship did end that day. Iris hadn't really changed, and still wouldn't do anything meaningful to protect Phoenix. The relationship is resolved on good terms now, but it's a thing of the past. Iris isn't exactly his perfectly suitable partner personality-wise now, and notice they send her to jail. Oh, and she's a nun. 2 big hints against a canon-implied future relationship.



*blink blink* Wow, I never thought about it that way. Every time I look at these games there's another layer of symbolism to analyze! Your theory makes a lot of sense and is probably the best explanation for Iris' reveal. It also explains why I found Iris so boring >.> Static characters are never fun.
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Icer, GO REWRITE IT. NAO.



I'll give you cookies if you do. >_>
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La Diable wrote:
Wow, I never thought about it that way. Every time I look at these games there's another layer of symbolism to analyze!

Spoiler: 3-5
LOL there's more symbolism. Phoenix gets a cold this time too, though it's from trying to save Maya. Phoenix has his own mask in 3-1 like Godot has a mask, but Phoenix's is to stop other people getting his cold since he likes to be kind to others. And his mask slips whenever he's lying in court [coughing fit]. Oh and another reason why I don't see much canon future Iris relationship. All she ever said to him during their relationship was "Can I have it back now please?" Poor Phoenix was besotted, but it was because he was a hopeless romantic over the love confession the the library. [Dahlia probably even recited a poem or something.] I think he's a bit less naive now...

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Icer, GO REWRITE IT. NAO.

I'll give you cookies if you do. >_>

Okay. I mostly moved them to the hotel room so I wouldn't have to write too many more passionate activities of any rating. I can't imagine anything of any rating happening in Phoenix's dodgy little apartment though. Uh, I'll figure something out. Do I have to change the first part with Richard?

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Ahhh, Icer, I just read your fic, pretty good, (I think I missed the sex scene though...)
and of course, my Muse has decided that Phoenix Wright is Awesome and wants me to write some things too, but without playing AJ, I'm unsure where everybody is at

It was alluded to offscreen. Hotel suite.
In Apollo Justice:
Spoiler: vague GS4 spoilers
Phoenix, unfairly disbarred, lives with adopted daughter Trucy near/at old ex law office. Gets to have a job playing poker, though this ends after case 1. Oh and he's been secretly investigating the disbarring case for the last 7 years. I and a lot of other people assume Maya sends him money, secretly or otherwise.
Maya... exists, though we know nothing except that she sends Phoenix hundreds of Steel Samurai DVDs and gets him to write reports about every single episode. Obviously more happens...
Apollo.. knows little about Phoenix, Phoenix is cryptic. We only know anything about what Phoenix is doing the times he appears onscreen to Apollo.

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Dang, I hope he gets "Rebarred" I'd hate to see such a talent fellow stay down...well, his name is Phoenix after all, he'll be back, c'mon, how could he not be?
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wow. haven't posted in the forums in a while. turns out..MY FIRST POST IS IN HERE!
i'm in such euphoria right now.
i went through all 7 pages of the topic because i have no life and i'd just like to say........

i feel oddly stupid. X'D
because i completely forgot about the 4-2 DVD thing for my fic!
and now...IT'S UNEXPLAINED! OHNOES.

WHAT? self-pimping?! nooooooooo.
( some post-AJ and T&T spoilers. )

also. to celebrate my coming-back-to-CR-forums (just for myself), i started some sprite stuffs. the theme is uh. well. i'm not telling.
but hey! i have a preview, at least!

WHAT? self-pimping!?! noooooooo.

8D; with that. i take my leave.

Spoiler: LULZYAY.
and am i one of the few who believe that Phoenix shouldn't get his lawyer badge back? ...well. not yet? 8D;



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Heh, that was a bit Spoileresqe, but whatever, so glad to see they aren't getting rid of him altogether.


:maya: : Hey hey! You're getting off topic!

:pearl: : Thats right! This is about the couple! *Rolls up sleeves*
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Zeon Twilight wrote:

:pearl: : Thats right! This is about the couple! *Rolls up sleeves*


Me: I'm sorry! Don't hurt me!

:pearl: : *Slaps*

Me: OH MY GOD! THE PAIN!!!!!1111!!!!!11

:larry: : Oh, dear, you've killed hm!
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Icer and Sheepshifter, you should mark that AJ spoiler quickly. I don't want to see you guys get in trouble. That is a very serious one and this is still the Defendant's Lobby.
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tsurikato wrote:

Spoiler: LULZYAY.
and am i one of the few who believe that Phoenix shouldn't get his lawyer badge back? ...well. not yet? 8D;


Spoiler: My two pence
Personally, I think Nick should get his badge back AND stick with the pianist job when he doesn't have cases. It would give him something to do.

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