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Tinister wrote:
I just read all 9 pages to see if it wasn't already mentioned. Doesn't look like it was so here I go:

Spoiler: case 1-4
Name: Motivation for framing Edgeworth
Type of cough-up: Plot hole?
Location: Case 1-4
Description:
Why does von Karma/Yogi find it necessary to frame Edgeworth for murder before DL-6's statue of limitations runs up?

Understanding Yogi's motivations are easier: Edgeworth was (as far as he knew) the real killer, causing Yogi to be falsely accused. From there Robert Hammond had to prove Yogi as insane to get his "Not Guilty" verdict, therefore ruining Yogi's reputation. So why he would want to get revenge on these two men is apparent.

However, von Karma explains in his letter that "Now is your last chance" and Yogi apparently agrees with this. But why? DL-6's statue of limitations running up wouldn't cause Hammond to be impervious to death, nor would it grant Edgeworth immunity from being tried for murder.

von Karma's motivations are a little harder to understand: Initially I thought it was to get Edgeworth blamed for DL-6; however, as the prosecutor, von Karma was hoping for an open and shut case on Hammond's murder. Edgeworth would have been sent off without any mention of DL-6. And if this is actually what von Karma was hoping for, DL-6's statue of limitations running up wouldn't have changed this.

Alternatively, if von Karma just wanted "revenge" on Edgeworth for whatever reason, again the nature of Hammond's death and Edgeworth being framed for it doesn't change if DL-6 closes. In fact, wouldn't it behoove von Karma to wait until after it closes, therefore removing all possibility that he's somehow found guilty for it?

Maybe I'm just understanding it all wrong, but it just doesn't make sense.


I'm trying to explain this in my fancase. I personally see it as a combination of 'von Karma perfection' and 'unfortunete turn of events'.
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Spoiler: Possible explanation 1-4
Well, if we accept that Yogi (for whatever reason) wanted to get his revenge before the DL-6 case was closed forever, then it logically follows that von Karma had to instruct him at that time (assuming von Karma was aware of that fact). In fact he may have waited for the last possible moment just to avoid any chance of some guy with too much time on his hands trying to figure out the DL-6 case and coming with the solution. As soon as the State vs. Edgeworth case was done with, it would all be over.

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surasshu wrote:
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Case: 1-1, 3-1..
Name: Phoenix clarvoyant?
Explanation: Phoenix says, in 3-1, that he wants to become a lawyer "to help a friend". This is what he also says in 1-1, because that friend was Larry. However, how the heck could he know that Larry would be going to be accused of murder?

That's what I thought too, but wasn't he becoming a lawyer to meet Edgeworth? Maybe that's what he meant...

Although that makes sense, he actually says that he wants to help a friend. Not meet one.
Odd.
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Tinker wrote:
surasshu wrote:
Tinker wrote:
Case: 1-1, 3-1..
Name: Phoenix clarvoyant?
Explanation: Phoenix says, in 3-1, that he wants to become a lawyer "to help a friend". This is what he also says in 1-1, because that friend was Larry. However, how the heck could he know that Larry would be going to be accused of murder?

That's what I thought too, but wasn't he becoming a lawyer to meet Edgeworth? Maybe that's what he meant...

Although that makes sense, he actually says that he wants to help a friend. Not meet one.
Odd.

Perhaps he didn't want to tell Mia? It would have confused her and she might start asking a lot of questions. And at that stage of his life when he knows Edgeworth is a prosecutor, he feels he needs to help him especially.
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Spoiler: 3-4
Valerie Hawthorne was 23 when she was murdered. In the incident 5 years ago, it's stated that she was a police detective. 19 years old seems a little young to be a detective...
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surasshu wrote:
CrawdKenny wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Who's Channeling Dahlia?
Type of cough-up: Inconsistancy
Location: 3-5
Description:
In 2-4, at one point when Pearl was channeling Mia, Mia felt Maya calling her and left Pearl's body. In 3-5, Dahlia was in Misty's body, and Pearl was trying to call Dahlia, meaning Dahlia had to have felt herself being called away, and known it was Pearl.

Even if Misty had the power to keep Dahlia there because her power is greater than Pearl's, then remember that after that, Dahlia was in Maya's body, and Pearl said that she tried multiple times to channel Dahlia. Along with the fact that it has been well established that Pearl has more channling power than Maya, Dahlia should've felt herself being called away by Pearl, knwn it was Pearl, and Pearl should';ve been able to get Dahlia's spirit away from Maya.


I'm really gonna help the writers out here but...

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Dahlia (and Iris) don't have any channeling powers. And I think that Mia has some, at least. Maybe you need those in order to sense that stuff? Dunno, this is really just my thoughts, if you just take the game material they definitely screwed that one up.


Spoiler: 2-4, 3-5
I actually thought that was a way of showing, that while Pearl is undoubtedly very strong, Maya is actually stronger.

Pearl is very diligent about her training. In contrast, Maya frequently spends long periods of time barely/not training at all. As such, Maya's powers are weak (though by AA2, she can more or less channel at will), and it's only in times of emergency that Maya can access her full potential, where as Pearl can use almost her full potential all the time.

In 2-4, Pearl actually says that Mia was called away from her by an incredibly strong power. Maya's emotional state from the kidnapping probably allowed her to access her full potential.

The argument that Dahlia couldn't sense Pearl's call is a reasonable one (Mia was supposed to be very strong in her spiritual abilities), but also remember that a strong medium is supposed to be able to stop the channeled spirit from becoming violent. Even though Misty is supposed to be extremely strong in her spiritual abilities, and she knew Dahlia was going to try to kill her daughter when she summoned Dahila, she still couldn't stop Dahlia from attacking Maya, which suggests that Dahlia's spirit was very, very strong. Dahlia also testifies that she and Iris have little spiritual power.

In short, either Dahlia didn't have enough spiritual power to sense Pearl's call, or the trauma from the murder, and realisation that her life would still be danger if she didn't summon Dahlia, allowed Maya to access her full power (remember how long Maya was able to channel Dahlia), and Pearl ultimately isn't as strong as Maya. At least, that was my take on it.


Spoiler: Really not intended to be serious 3-4, 3-5
Name: Coffee Invasion?

Isn't Godot supposed to drink coffee without milk or sugar? In 3-4, he gives Mia some sugary coffee if she makes a mistake during the trial, but more than that, in 3-5, once the bridge is repaired, he gives Pearl coffee with milk and sugar. Why would he carry those around with him if he doesn't use them in his coffee? :godot:
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Phoenix Soul wrote:
surasshu wrote:
CrawdKenny wrote:
Spoiler: 3-5
Name: Who's Channeling Dahlia?
Type of cough-up: Inconsistancy
Location: 3-5
Description:
In 2-4, at one point when Pearl was channeling Mia, Mia felt Maya calling her and left Pearl's body. In 3-5, Dahlia was in Misty's body, and Pearl was trying to call Dahlia, meaning Dahlia had to have felt herself being called away, and known it was Pearl.

Even if Misty had the power to keep Dahlia there because her power is greater than Pearl's, then remember that after that, Dahlia was in Maya's body, and Pearl said that she tried multiple times to channel Dahlia. Along with the fact that it has been well established that Pearl has more channling power than Maya, Dahlia should've felt herself being called away by Pearl, knwn it was Pearl, and Pearl should';ve been able to get Dahlia's spirit away from Maya.


I'm really gonna help the writers out here but...

Spoiler:
Dahlia (and Iris) don't have any channeling powers. And I think that Mia has some, at least. Maybe you need those in order to sense that stuff? Dunno, this is really just my thoughts, if you just take the game material they definitely screwed that one up.


Spoiler: 2-4, 3-5
I actually thought that was a way of showing, that while Pearl is undoubtedly very strong, Maya is actually stronger.

Pearl is very diligent about her training. In contrast, Maya frequently spends long periods of time barely/not training at all. As such, Maya's powers are weak (though by AA2, she can more or less channel at will), and it's only in times of emergency that Maya can access her full potential, where as Pearl can use almost her full potential all the time.

In 2-4, Pearl actually says that Mia was called away from her by an incredibly strong power. Maya's emotional state from the kidnapping probably allowed her to access her full potential.

The argument that Dahlia couldn't sense Pearl's call is a reasonable one (Mia was supposed to be very strong in her spiritual abilities), but also remember that a strong medium is supposed to be able to stop the channeled spirit from becoming violent. Even though Misty is supposed to be extremely strong in her spiritual abilities, and she knew Dahlia was going to try to kill her daughter when she summoned Dahila, she still couldn't stop Dahlia from attacking Maya, which suggests that Dahlia's spirit was very, very strong. Dahlia also testifies that she and Iris have little spiritual power.

In short, either Dahlia didn't have enough spiritual power to sense Pearl's call, or the trauma from the murder, and realisation that her life would still be danger if she didn't summon Dahlia, allowed Maya to access her full power (remember how long Maya was able to channel Dahlia), and Pearl ultimately isn't as strong as Maya. At least, that was my take on it.



Was reading, finally managed to answer my own question. The answer is pretty obscure, though and probably should've been made more clear.

Spoiler: 3-5
"The power of the master is supreme." When Misty died, Maya became the master, and her power became supreme over Pearl's.

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Tinister wrote:
I just read all 9 pages to see if it wasn't already mentioned. Doesn't look like it was so here I go:

Spoiler: case 1-4
Name: Motivation for framing Edgeworth
Type of cough-up: Plot hole?
Location: Case 1-4
Description:
Why does von Karma/Yogi find it necessary to frame Edgeworth for murder before DL-6's statue of limitations runs up?

Understanding Yogi's motivations are easier: Edgeworth was (as far as he knew) the real killer, causing Yogi to be falsely accused. From there Robert Hammond had to prove Yogi as insane to get his "Not Guilty" verdict, therefore ruining Yogi's reputation. So why he would want to get revenge on these two men is apparent.

However, von Karma explains in his letter that "Now is your last chance" and Yogi apparently agrees with this. But why? DL-6's statue of limitations running up wouldn't cause Hammond to be impervious to death, nor would it grant Edgeworth immunity from being tried for murder.

von Karma's motivations are a little harder to understand: Initially I thought it was to get Edgeworth blamed for DL-6; however, as the prosecutor, von Karma was hoping for an open and shut case on Hammond's murder. Edgeworth would have been sent off without any mention of DL-6. And if this is actually what von Karma was hoping for, DL-6's statue of limitations running up wouldn't have changed this.

Alternatively, if von Karma just wanted "revenge" on Edgeworth for whatever reason, again the nature of Hammond's death and Edgeworth being framed for it doesn't change if DL-6 closes. In fact, wouldn't it behoove von Karma to wait until after it closes, therefore removing all possibility that he's somehow found guilty for it?

Maybe I'm just understanding it all wrong, but it just doesn't make sense.


I think ultimately the point behind that case was never just to get Edgeworth convicted of a murder--Karma and Yogi both wanted him to confess to DL-6. Not only was Yogi able to get his revenge on Hammond by simply killing him, he put Edgeworth through all the pain of the trial, forcing him to remember that old case and playing on his guilt. Karma KNEW that Edgeworth wouldn't be able to let the trial end without confessing, after all that. He was counting on it, which is why he isn't phased when Phoenix beats him: his overall goal to ruin Edgeworth was still going as planned.

I think that's also why they chose to carry out their plan so close to the DL-6 deadline: so that Edgeworth himself would feel that sense of, "If I don't do it know, it won't matter anymore."

It really shows how well Karma knew his pupil after all.
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Spoiler: 3-2
Name: Excellent prosecution, Godot
Type: Uncharacteristic stupidity
Location: Case 3-2, Day 2, Trial
Description:
Things aren't looking good for Godot. Mr. Trite has pulled yet another one of his "pin the crime on the witness" games, and apparently the wife of the defendant has the evidence to prove that he's right. So what does Godot do? Surely there's an objection he can make somewhere, right? WRONG! Despite the fact that there is no proof that the bag is actually Atmey's, no proof that Atmey actually put the Sacred Urn in there, and the very distinct possibility that :phoenix: colluded with :mareka: to produce this evidence which, very conveniently, claims that having the defense's fingerprints on it is proof of the witness's guilt, Godot makes NO attempt whatsoever at objecting. Even though Atmey will leap at the chance to get himself proven a thief, Godot has no idea of this plan and moreover had a LOT OF TIME to object. Is it possible that Godot already knew that Ron went to KB Securities and purposely waited so he could accuse Ron of murder, thus starting another trial against Phoenix? Hardly! It doesn't even matter what his real motivations are. Does he wish to defeat Phoenix, the man against whom he holds a grudge? If so, Godot would be giving up a trial he still had a hope of winning, which is ridiculous. If his real motivations are to test Phoenix's strength, then for what reason would he go easy on him? The only possible explanation I can think of for this cough-up is that he not only underestimated Phoenix's abilities to to a ridiculous extreme, but that he was also caught off-guard by and unable to object against Atmey's "confession". It makes little difference, because he's either stupid one way or stupid another.
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Spoiler: 3-2
Name: Excellent prosecution, Godot
Type: Uncharacteristic stupidity
Location: Case 3-2, Day 2, Trial
Description:
Things aren't looking good for Godot. Mr. Trite has pulled yet another one of his "pin the crime on the witness" games, and apparently the wife of the defendant has the evidence to prove that he's right. So what does Godot do? Surely there's an objection he can make somewhere, right? WRONG! Despite the fact that there is no proof that the bag is actually Atmey's, no proof that Atmey actually put the Sacred Urn in there, and the very distinct possibility that :phoenix: colluded with :mareka: to produce this evidence which, very conveniently, claims that having the defense's fingerprints on it is proof of the witness's guilt, Godot makes NO attempt whatsoever at objecting. Even though Atmey will leap at the chance to get himself proven a thief, Godot has no idea of this plan and moreover had a LOT OF TIME to object. Is it possible that Godot already knew that Ron went to KB Securities and purposely waited so he could accuse Ron of murder, thus starting another trial against Phoenix? Hardly! It doesn't even matter what his real motivations are. Does he wish to defeat Phoenix, the man against whom he holds a grudge? If so, Godot would be giving up a trial he still had a hope of winning, which is ridiculous. If his real motivations are to test Phoenix's strength, then for what reason would he go easy on him? The only possible explanation I can think of for this cough-up is that he not only underestimated Phoenix's abilities to to a ridiculous extreme, but that he was also caught off-guard by and unable to object against Atmey's "confession". It makes little difference, because he's either stupid one way or stupid another.


Spoiler: As above
I always thought of it this way: Godot had a hunch that the CEO was killed. Ron's desire to be found guilty of theft, and perhaps he himself looked into his old job. Why wouldn't he? He had to have known Ron was fired, so it's obvious that this could be a very good clue to nail him: He spends alot of money, but doesn't have a job. Unable to find a trace on the CEO, he knows that it Ron could have killed the CEO, and he never brought up this no-job clue in court.

There are several clues to this:

1) He accusses Phoenix of not looking into the CEO more, when accusing him of blackmail,
2) He more than once tells Phoenix to 'go find the CEO', which is of course impossible.
3) After the not guilty verdict, Godot calls Phoenix his buddy, as if he had gone along with his plan.
4) The way he assumes Ron did it by the start of the next court.

While you make it sound like he's an extreme idiot, this twist looks, to me, like he's a more dangerious prosecutor than Manfred von Karma - simply because he will not be afraid of losing a case to get the job done.

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I agree. I think Godot is actually trying to not just beat, but also crush Phoenix spiritually. Von Karma didn't particularly care about Phoenix at all, but Godot specifically hates him. Getting Ron found guilty for theft wouldn't be great, and Phoenix would probably take it pretty hard since he's so intense, but it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

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Hmm, I think I posted this one before, but I'll do it again, anyway.

Name: 15 or 16?
Type of cough-up: Age difference
Location: 1-5
Description: When Ema introduces herself, she says that she'll be turning 16 this year. So, she is actually 15. Yet, everyone calls her a 16-year-old, even Ema herself! Even the Court Record says she's 16! So, the writers must have goofed with her introduction.
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I noticed that as well. Maybe the next day in the game was her birthday, or very shortly after she's introduced? That's all I can think of.
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Tinker wrote:
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Case: 1-1, 3-1..
Name: Phoenix clarvoyant?
Explanation: Phoenix says, in 3-1, that he wants to become a lawyer "to help a friend". This is what he also says in 1-1, because that friend was Larry. However, how the heck could he know that Larry would be going to be accused of murder?

That's what I thought too, but wasn't he becoming a lawyer to meet Edgeworth? Maybe that's what he meant...

Although that makes sense, he actually says that he wants to help a friend. Not meet one.
Odd.


I'm just repeating something someone said on another thread (can't remember who or what thread, sorry). At that time, Phoenix should have noticed the change on Edgeworth's attitude from wanting to be a defense attorney like his father to becoming a prosecutor (remember he's on trial on 3-1 and his defense attorney already faced Edgeworth on 3-4, so he would probably know his old friend's a prosecutor by then). Therefore, he may have thought something bad happened to make Edgeworth's character do such a big change, and wanted to help him. That would explain the line on 3-1.

Well, that or Larry was already on trial by accidentally killing someone.
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too lazy to look through, spank me if it's been said, but this has bugged me ever since I've played the case.

Spoiler: 1-4
On Yogi's method to frame Edgeworth...
so, he shot once, to grab attention, then shot again, and threw himself overboard?

I understand it was foggy that night, but guns at least give off some light when they're fired. To any spectator (namely Lotta), shouldn't it look like the person who just fired a gun randomly jumped into the water...?

I figure if it was foggy enough to obscure the light from the gun, then you wouldn't be able to see anyone out there at all. o_O
Then again I've never seen many guns in real life so I could just be an idiot. hahaha.

but also, these two. I could be nitpicky since the first one isn't a photo, but according to those, Yogi is on...opposite sides.

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Spoiler: Re: 1-4
You're right, a gun flash is quite bright.

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It just looks like a big ol' flash, especially from a bit away. It's hard to see what direction the gun is aimed at from that though (especially since the gun is more or less in between the two guys).

I think the non-enlarged photo shows that it was just too far away to see who was shooting who (and in the closeup you can see that Yogi's sort of firing from the hip, so it's not like he has his arm all the way extended or something). All a witness gets is two gunshots, and one of the people on the boat falling into the water. You just have to piece together what that makes, and the most logical conclusion would definitely be that the man on the boat killed the other man.

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okay, that makes me feel better, considering I love 1-4. thanks :will:
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Name: Teleported weapon
Type of cough-up: Misterious travelling object
Location: 3-5
Spoiler: Description - big spoilers to 3-5
At the second day of the trial, Phoenix explains how the dead body of Elise was carried. The apearance of the murder weapon, the sword staff, nead the body is explained by saying it was already stuck on it when it got launched by pendulum (In fact, Iris was seen by Bikini while taking away the sword from the dead body). However, the reason on why the staff wasn't initially taken into consideration was the fact that the sword's blade was covered by a wood sheath, to make it look like a normal staff. If the killer took this sheath out in order to kill Elise, how did he sent it to the other side of the bridge? Do not forget the bridge was already on fire, therefore sending a wood stick by the same way they sent the body would have been difficult...

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Name: Teleported weapon
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Location: 3-5
Spoiler: Description - big spoilers to 3-5
At the second day of the trial, Phoenix explains how the dead body of Elise was carried. The apearance of the murder weapon, the sword staff, nead the body is explained by saying it was already stuck on it when it got launched by pendulum (In fact, Iris was seen by Bikini while taking away the sword from the dead body). However, the reason on why the staff wasn't initially taken into consideration was the fact that the sword's blade was covered by a wood sheath, to make it look like a normal staff. If the killer took this sheath out in order to kill Elise, how did he sent it to the other side of the bridge? Do not forget the bridge was already on fire, therefore sending a wood stick by the same way they sent the body would have been difficult...


That's...hmm. I never thought of that! That's a good one. :meekins:
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Aijiru wrote:
Name: Teleported weapon
Type of cough-up: Misterious travelling object
Location: 3-5
Spoiler: Description - big spoilers to 3-5
At the second day of the trial, Phoenix explains how the dead body of Elise was carried. The apearance of the murder weapon, the sword staff, nead the body is explained by saying it was already stuck on it when it got launched by pendulum (In fact, Iris was seen by Bikini while taking away the sword from the dead body). However, the reason on why the staff wasn't initially taken into consideration was the fact that the sword's blade was covered by a wood sheath, to make it look like a normal staff. If the killer took this sheath out in order to kill Elise, how did he sent it to the other side of the bridge? Do not forget the bridge was already on fire, therefore sending a wood stick by the same way they sent the body would have been difficult...

Spoiler: Possible Explanation?
When Godot tied the body with the rope, he probably tucked the sheath in as well. The rope would be wrapped around the body, so the sheath could have been placed parallel to her arms or something and still be securely fastened by the rope. That way, the whole package is sent: body, weapon, and sheath. If he was thorough enough to shovel out every inch of snow within that certain radius, I'm sure Godot thought to attach the sheath.

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It also wouldn't be too hard to tuck it into clothing. Just a thought.
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Name: Teleported weapon
Type of cough-up: Misterious travelling object
Location: 3-5
Spoiler: Description - big spoilers to 3-5
At the second day of the trial, Phoenix explains how the dead body of Elise was carried. The apearance of the murder weapon, the sword staff, nead the body is explained by saying it was already stuck on it when it got launched by pendulum (In fact, Iris was seen by Bikini while taking away the sword from the dead body). However, the reason on why the staff wasn't initially taken into consideration was the fact that the sword's blade was covered by a wood sheath, to make it look like a normal staff. If the killer took this sheath out in order to kill Elise, how did he sent it to the other side of the bridge? Do not forget the bridge was already on fire, therefore sending a wood stick by the same way they sent the body would have been difficult...

Spoiler: Possible Explanation?
When Godot tied the body with the rope, he probably tucked the sheath in as well. The rope would be wrapped around the body, so the sheath could have been placed parallel to her arms or something and still be securely fastened by the rope. That way, the whole package is sent: body, weapon, and sheath. If he was thorough enough to shovel out every inch of snow within that certain radius, I'm sure Godot thought to attach the sheath.


That's the only way I see to explain it...
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mario2000 wrote:
Godot has the ability to materialize anything coffee-related out of thin air.

Apparently so:


Name: Capcom are lazy!
Type: Graphical laziness when converting to DS size? :[
Location: T&T

Spoiler: Description:
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The mug appears from nowhere!? :lana:

(in the GBA version the hand was too high up on the screen to be visible)
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I'VE GOT A QUESTION. Er, several.

Spoiler: 3-5 spoilers
What happened to the note Maya and Mia exchanged?

Mia explains that after the fight in which Misty was killed, Maya wrote her a note detailing what had happened, and then Mia wrote back to her, telling her what to do. But that note is never recovered. I know it's possible that Godot found it first and disposed of it, but I wish they would have said so. In court Godot seems surprised at Mia's involvement. So did he find the note or not?

For that matter, how did Mia understand the situation well enough to tell Maya that she should summon Dahlia? Maya testifies that she never saw the woman who attacked her, because it was so dark. I don't think she was lying at that point, because there was no reason for her to hide the fact that it was Dahlia. So how could Maya have described her attacker well enough that Mia immediately assumed it was Dahlia, summoned back from the dead?

After all, Mia is dead. She would have no way of knowing that Dahlia was recently executed. How did she even know that it was possible to summon Dahlia at that point? Not even Phoenix knew until Edgeworth told him.

As far as we know, all Maya could have told Mia in her note was, "I'm at Hazakura, someone attacked me, but I was saved and now both people seem to be gone." And from that, Mia draws the conclusion that Dahlia Hawthorne must have been executed, and then summoned in a plot to kill Maya. Mia's good, but THAT good?

And FURTHERMORE, how was Maya even able to create the Trick Lock anyway? In 3-2, Maya had never even heard of Psyche Locks. By her own admission, she didn't do any spirit training between then and 3-5. So at what point did she learn how to do that?

I find it all very curious. :think:

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Well... these are good questions :eh?:

Spoiler: 3-5 spoilers
You're right, the note disappeared into thin air :eh?: But we know that whatever happened to it, it was before Dahlia came to the scene, since she didn't knew who channeled her. This, or she thought the note was from Morgan and therefore it was Pearl who channeled her. Maybe Maya destroyed the note before channeling Dahlia, just as she would never know who was the channeler?

About Mia knowing all that, well... she was probably around by the time Iris's father left Kurain so she would know Iris has a twin sister... and she probably knew Iris was sent to Hazakura, too. So if Maya told her where she was attacked, she could have made the connection between Iris and Dahlia, even thought it was Iris who wanted to help her sister getting rid of Maya. But we still don't know how she knew Dahlia was dead. Maybe the death row has some sort of time limit, or she logically thought that after five years she should have been executed? After all, if Dahlia were alive Maya couldn't have done anything about that, since she couldn't have ran away, but she could still try to channel her just in case she was dead, and that was an efficient way to protect herself. Maybe Mia just tell Maya to try and channel Dahlia so she would know what kind of enemy she was facing...

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Spoiler: 3-5 spoilers
After all, if Dahlia were alive Maya couldn't have done anything about that, since she couldn't have ran away, but she could still try to channel her just in case she was dead, and that was an efficient way to protect herself. Maybe Mia just tell Maya to try and channel Dahlia so she would know what kind of enemy she was facing...


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That still seems risky to me. If Dahlia had realized at any time who it was who summoned her, she could have killed herself and that would be the end. If Mia didn't know if Dahlia was living or dead, the more sensical answer would be for Maya just to lock herself in without doing any summoning.

The only reason that wouldn't have worked is because poor little Pearl was out running around, but Mia could not have known that, either, or that Pearl would attempt to summon Dahlia.

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I wonder if it's worth wondering whether the dead have a means to communicate with one another.
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Croik wrote:
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That still seems risky to me. If Dahlia had realized at any time who it was who summoned her, she could have killed herself and that would be the end.

Spoiler:
I guess that's why she had to lock herself in the cavern, which assumedly has no weapons (we never see what it's like in there so I can't confirm that). Mia couldn't have known that Dahlia and Iris would swap places. I'm just confused how she expected Dahlia to leave her body. People might've been suspicious seeing 2 Iris's but they really wouldn't be able to do anything about it AFAIK unless Bikini knows the Spirit Severing Technique or something. :s

Also I'm a litte confused about something else. In 2-2 it's said that an experienced Medium would be able to control the spirit IIRC, and since Misty is the master of Kurain I'd say she's pretty experienced so why didn't she just kind of... prevent Dahlia from doing anything? The only explanation I can think of is that she's gotten rusty in her near-on 20 year absence... or that before she had a chance to do anything she was killed (but then why did she let her get that far?).
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Here's one that occurred to me recently:

Spoiler: GS3-3
Don Tigre is ultimately caught on the assertion that he couldn't have known what the cyanide bottle looked like unless he had been the one to use it. But at that point in the trial, it had already been established that he was the "defense lawyer" in the previous trial, so he would have had easy access to that information...

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2-1, 8 years older?

In 2-1, Phoenix says something like "Dustin Prince was 8 years older than my client, correct?" How did he work that out?
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2-1, 8 years older?

In 2-1, Phoenix says something like "Dustin Prince was 8 years older than my client, correct?" How did he work that out?


THE COURT RECORD LOL
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Ahh, that showed me :D
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LuigiHann wrote:
Here's one that occurred to me recently:

Spoiler: GS3-3
Don Tigre is ultimately caught on the assertion that he couldn't have known what the cyanide bottle looked like unless he had been the one to use it. But at that point in the trial, it had already been established that he was the "defense lawyer" in the previous trial, so he would have had easy access to that information...


.....!!!

Damn, that IS a good one. :beef:
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Tigre's too badass to remember shit like that.
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Not exactly a cough-up, more of a curiosity but...

Name: What's up with the game covers?
Type of cough-up: Curiosity
Location: PW3 and GS4
Spoiler: BIG spoiler for PW3 and GS4, description:
On both PW3 and PW4, the character who is found guilty on the last trial is the same character pointed by the attorney silhouette's hand:

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Haha, you're right! That's kind of funny, actually XD
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Spoiler: Major Spoiler for Last Case in TnT
Name: Lights-Out Bell
Type of cough-up: Crime Starter
Location: TnT Case 5
Description: As most of us know, Pearl was listening very hard for the Light-out bell, because of Morgan's instructions to call Dahlia. Now, Iris was told to ring the bell at 10:00 by Bikini. Pearl doesn't have a watch so she had to only listen to the bell. Iris, being an accomplice of Godot's, and knowing this, could have simply NOT rung the bell, thus, not having any incident. So Pearl wouldn't know when to call Dahlia, and possibly would've given up, since the bell would have never rang.

Iris could have stopped Dahlia's channeling, but didn't, for a reason unknown to me.
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