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I knew my sprite would come up in this... lol.

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Without the kittens, though. Maybe he screened on it a picture of Pess as a puppy, lol. I'd have to scratch that in, but I'm too lazy.
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kristophlover967 wrote:
I knew my sprite would come up in this... lol.

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Without the kittens, though. Maybe he screened on it a picture of Pess as a puppy, lol. I'd have to scratch that in, but I'm too lazy.



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I for one would love to see Edgeworth in more casual clothes. It kind of bothers me that Edgeworth and Phoenix are ALWAYS wearing their business suits in official art, as if they're ALWAYS coming back from work or something. WHO PURPOSEFULLY GOES ON A PICNIC IN A SUIT?! :payne:

I can see him wearing high-end brand-name stuff, but that's just me. He can't have that cravat ALL the time.... ... ......
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Blasphemy! Edgey is never cravat-less!
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Even when he's taking a shower, he's wearing that thing! It's like a security blanket! 8D
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I for one would love to see Edgeworth in more casual clothes. It kind of bothers me that Edgeworth and Phoenix are ALWAYS wearing their business suits in official art, as if they're ALWAYS coming back from work or something. WHO PURPOSEFULLY GOES ON A PICNIC IN A SUIT?! ... ......


My father does.......... complete with his little attorney pin....
I'm dead serious. HE GOES TO THE RENN FEST LIKE THAT
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Wow.. Isn't he afraid of getting grass stains or something on it? o_o.. unless he has a casual suit that he wears specifically for those purposes and a gazillion others he wears for work? ^^;;

Back OT, I actually thought it might've been cool if Edgeworth didn't have the cravat in JFA. I always saw it as a symbol of his affiliation with the Von Karma family. So after realizing what Von Karma brought him up to be, it might've been kind of symbolic if he hung up his cravat for good and picked his own style (Just because it's exactly the same as Von Karma's I guess). Don't get me wrong, I love the cravat and it makes Edgeworth Edgeworth, but I'm also a sucker for suggestive character development. XD; Or maybe he can find something else frilly to wear around his neck.. I dunno. :payne:
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You just killed the thread Aevitas jk.

I wouldn't like it if Edgey hung up his cravat after 1-4. I realize how symbolic it would be, but I think that after his 'epiphany' Edgey started to learn how to deal with his past mistakes. Ditching the cravat would be like trying to run away from that. I don't know... the cravat represents a lot, and Edgey wouldn't really be Edgey without it.
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I agree, I'm only trying to bring provoking questions to the topic, even if it means playing devil's advocate from time to time. Sometimes it's the only way really good discussions come about, ya know? :yuusaku:
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I've recently realized something a bit odd about Edgeworth. His first case as a prosecutor was the Dusky Bridge Murder (I've capitalized all the words to make it seem more like the name of a real case) where the killer murdered her victim earlier in the day, disguised herself as the victim, then went to meet the defendant with a camera set up to photograph this encounter. Mia figured all this out and stated it to the court. The case ended, then 4 years later, someone tried to frame Edgey for murder using the exact same trick, and Edgeworth didn't catch it.
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I've recently realized something a bit odd about Edgeworth. His first case as a prosecutor was the Dusky Bridge Murder (I've capitalized all the words to make it seem more like the name of a real case) where the killer murdered her victim earlier in the day, disguised herself as the victim, then went to meet the defendant with a camera set up to photograph this encounter. Mia figured all this out and stated it to the court. The case ended, then 4 years later, someone tried to frame Edgey for murder using the exact same trick, and Edgeworth didn't catch it.




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Heh, I figure he must have been in too much shock to catch on, but it does bring to mind the question, is the Dusky Bridge Murder scheme where Manny got the idea from?

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Manny had nothing to do with 3-4... as far as I can tell. Of course, Edgey's taken after Manny's personality and sports a super sexy cravat but that's a totally different subject.

I agree with the shock thing for 1-4. He just never made the connection. Had the events in 1-4, not DL-6 happened before 3-5, I think he may have and we'd see more of
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kristophlover967 wrote:
Of course, Edgey's taken after Manny's personality and sports a super sexy cravat but that's a totally different subject.

Not totally different; we're still talking about Edgey here. And since you brought it up, I'd like to repeat something I said in the 'Misty Fey is Edgeworth's mom!' thread:

Miles looked up to von Karma, as a teacher and a mentor, and apparently thought very highly of him. He was also about 10 when von Karma 'adopted' him, which is still quite an impressionable age. Note how in 1-4 Edgeworth spoke of Karma's tactics and how ruthless he was without outrightly disapproving of his mentor's behaviour.

It's odd because we see a lot of von Karma's influence on Edgey in the first game, and we see the sort of reverence he shows toward his mentor. And yet after the events of 1-4, we don't see much of an attempt from Edgeworth to distance himself from Karma. He has given up on his obsession with achieving a perfect win record, but other than that Karma's influence is still very much present. It speaks to what sort of character he is.
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Okay, so maybe my wording from the last post wasn't quite as I intended it to come out, but I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. I just couldn't help notice that the finger pointing animation in 3-4 was the same as Von Karma's.

Spoiler: My evidence.
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I know the images are a little out of sync but I don't think that matters too much.

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I also noticed that. We see a lot of von Karma-ness in Young Edgeworth. I think the differences between 3-4 Edgey and Phoenix arc Edgey show very well how he's matured.

On the topic of 3-4 Edgey, there are a lot of things that you notice when you compare him to present-day Edgey (as of the Phoenix arc). Edgey now is a lot paler, and while he still demands presence he is visibly less arrogant and charismatic. He's gone from being "Ha! Look how much better I am than you!" to "I know I'm better than you, and I'm apathetically cool about it".

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What you say is true however. Though later in the Phoenix Arc we see that he's even less "I know I'm better than you, and I'm apathetically cool about it" So much as "I know we're both doing our best to uncover the truth" At least that seems to be how he feels about Phoenix.
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No matter how Edgey portrays it, he will always have that "I'm better than you" aura to him. It's how he's always been. That's the one thing that I can put my finger on that I know has not changed. When Edgey was fresh out of his diapers (as Godot put it) in 3-4, he relied on the von Karma family for his needs. At the same time, the transition from Young Edgey to 'present Edgey' we can see that he's lost a kind of confidence in himself. He's had more time to think about his past and it's torn away at him. When 2-4 rolls around, though somewhat early, he's regained a portion of that confidence, but he's learned that he can rely on himself to get through things. And then by 3-5, he's made even more progress. The confidence that Edgey had when he was younger was different from that in 3-5, though. First, it's purely an overblown ego and facade, and then we see what true confidence is in him. The poor guy.
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*bump.. this topic is always dying :(
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Many awesome topics are always dying, the question is, what haven't we talked about in reguards to Edgeworth? I've came up with a lot of things to talk about, but I'm only one man darn it!
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We could talk about what he was like as a child. Because a number of comments made by Phoenix and Larry suggest that he was always stuffy and humourless, even at age nine. Which is just a very sweet image. I loved Larry's story about how Edgeworth once spent an entire lesson crying because of his inability to fold a paper crane.
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Which case was that in? ^^ I don't have the best of memory...

I was surprised in the classroom scene, I'll tell you that much. It was Miles' lunch money who was stolen, and yet he knew what was right from wrong unlike everyone else. He defended Phoenix, as we all know. At that age, I know if it was my money, I would gang up with everyone else and demand an answer. I wonder what the situation would have been like had only the Butz spoken up. And if DL-6 happened earlier than it did, and the school that Miles transferred to after his father passed was the one that little Nick and Larry was at. That would probably change things quite a bit. I guess that would somewhat eliminate the strange but true almost one-sided 'long lost friend' relationship that Phoenix has with Miles. Miles actually had no recollection of the events, if I'm remembering correctly, and he could barely remember what went down in DL-6. Childhood memories fade with time.

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It's from 3-5, kristophlover.

And I think that Miles was always very mature for his age (or at leas fancied himself to be). I guess his dad taught him well. :edgy:

I'm playing through 3-5 again, and even at the beginning of the case I'm finding hints that he's a total geek. If you present Larry's profile to Iris at the detention centre, she tells you that he's "Hardworking and sincere". To that, Edgey says, "Take a trip… Come home… Be thrust suddenly into bizarro world…" (Bizarro has something to do with Superman). Also, later he says something like, "I detest talk of supernatural drivel. I suppose now you'll say that Maya has midi-chlorians?" (I'm pretty sure midi-chlorians are what let people use the Force in Star Wars).

And does anyone have any clue what Edgey's 'scar' is, or what it's from?
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Edgey has some kind of scar? Like physical, you mean? I don't remember hearing about that either. Or maybe I just don't have the energy to recall it.. (Does he perhaps try to hide it under that suit of his? It seems like he's always wearing a lot of layers..)

I knew already that Edgey was 'scarred' by the DL-6 incident, but that's psychological..

I love playing as him. It was great during that one day in 3-5. I think that 3-5 is my favourite case. 1-4 not so much because even though we see a ton of Edgeworth, I hate to see him hurting like that..

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It's probably just an error, but in a few of Edgey's animations there are some discoloured pixels on his jaw. I like to think of it as a scar because scars make people cool. :-P

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Those are the only ones I can find on Photobucket, but there are a couple more.
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Well, it is in the same spot in both there. Too bad it doesn't really look like a scar.
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Something that's been bothering me about Edgeworth recently is this question: before Phoenix came along, how underhanded was he? 1-5 seems to suggest that he'd never knowingly forged evidence, but he pulls out a very suspect autopsy report in 1-2, and he definitely conceals evidence in that case (telling the Bellboy not to mention White's presence at the hotel). Plus, in 2-4, talking about his previous cases, he does say 'I used every dirty trick in the book'. I personally like to think that he was quite devious, as it makes his eventual redemption all the sweeter. What does everyone else think?
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I agree. Edgeworth pre-Wright was a lot like von Karma, and although I doubt that he ever forged evidence he probably had every defence attorney in the state thinking he was an enormous dick a 'demon'.

As for the autopsy report in 1-2, it wasn't a forgery. Edgeworth has a ridiculous amount of foresight, and predicted that the defence would claim that the victim couldn't write the note because death was instantaneous. That would have dealt a lot of damage to his case, so he requested a second autopsy report.
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I agree. Edgeworth pre-Wright was a lot like von Karma, and although I doubt that he ever forged evidence he probably had every defence attorney in the state thinking he was an enormous dick a 'demon'.

As for the autopsy report in 1-2, it wasn't a forgery. Edgeworth has a ridiculous amount of foresight, and predicted that the defence would claim that the victim couldn't write the note because death was instantaneous. That would have dealt a lot of damage to his case, so he requested a second autopsy report.


Edgeworth is a smart guy. But not only that, the game creators kinda wanted him to piss you off... and you can never be too careful. Edgeworth is the kind of guy who will put up a fight. He doesn't go down easy and he tries his hardest. He's also always so hard on :eh?: because the guy keeps screwing up and he wants productive work. Edgey uses everything to his advantage.

And this topic needed another healthy bump.

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Hmmaaaaaaaah~ Why is this thread dying so much?

I assume things will pick up when some more AA stuff comes out. Speaking of, I'm going to quote myself again from the Misty/Greg thread, because it's relevant:

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Based on the best-selling Nintendo DS video games, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney chronicles the further adventures of the two main characters of the popular game - Phoenix Wright, an ambitious young defense lawyer with more enthusiasm than experience, and Miles Edgeworth, his handsome and ruthless prosecutor rival. Fans of the courtroom-based video game will learn more about these characters' rich back stories while following their latest adventures!

Previews promises that Edgeworth is a main character, and that more of his 'rich back story' will be revealed. [...] And since the manga is published by Capcom, it will be officially canon!

I'm expecting you all to snatch up that Casebook and read about Edgey so we can keep this thread alive!

Since I'm bumping the thread anyway, what sort of things do you guys think will be revealed in the Casebook?
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Hrm. I'm not sure what all is going to be revealed, but I can't wait for it to come out in English. :edgy:

And I'm sure that things will definitely pick up once Gyakuten Kenji comes out. :edgy: Guh, why can't we have a release date yet? >_<
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Oh, how I dread those enriched backstories and such. There was such a wondrous simplicity to having only the games to rely on, and it let me appreciate the writers' craft more, since leaving so many things open to interpretation gave us rabid fans so much more to work with. This just smacks of merch, and information overload that accompanies any "expanded universe" setup.

I want Miles Edgeworth to remain a mystery, truth be told.
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Really? I don't think that the manga should be any different from the games. I've always thought of the games as visual novels, and I think that Capcom releasing an official manga is the same as them releasing a new game.

As for Edgeworth remaining a mystery, I can see where you're coming from. With the sort of character Edgeworth is, revealing everything would ruin all of the fun. But I don't think that GK or the manga will pull anything major. It's not like either of them will be his autobiography or an account for every second of his life since birth; Capcom's just expanding the AA canon. I'm personally looking forward to both GK and the Casebook, because I want to know more about Edgeworth. I won't avoid them just because I'm afraid that they'll reveal too much.
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I knew already that Edgey was 'scarred' by the DL-6 incident, but that's psychological..

I love playing as him. It was great during that one day in 3-5. I think that 3-5 is my favourite case. 1-4 not so much because even though we see a ton of Edgeworth, I hate to see him hurting like that..
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Sort of on topic; I remember a while ago there was a debate on exactly what Edgeworth would have been charged with had be been convicted of murdering his Father.
Thanks to my law class ( surprisingly THE most fun class I have ever taken) I think I know the answer for sure Not going to say because I don't want to start another debate. I'm just glad because it was bugging when me I played through 1-4 again. Now it is not. XD

Of coarse, Edgey should have known being an actual, ya know LAWYER. Silly little emo boy.



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It wasn't so much the weight of the crime as it was the weight of his conscience. You have to remember that Miles lost a lot of things along with his father, and that single event had defined his life forever. Regardless of any punishment he could receive from the state, his soul would be crushed.

And this is exactly what Manfred von Karma wanted, and that's what makes him a truly evil bastard.
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I FSKING LOVE EDGEWORTH.

...but I'm gonna do a comparison between Edgey and Klavier here, since I played Apollo Justice before any of the PW games, and most of my opinion of Edgey hinges off my opinion of Klavier as a prosecutor. Spoilers below.

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When I played AJ, I couldn't help but think how much Klavier completely dominated the courtroom and barely let Apollo get a word in edgewise. Even when Apollo was winning, it was pretty much because Klavier was choosing to stand aside for a bit to let him speak (unless you count 4-4, but in that case Klavi ended up providing the final information for the case anyway). Klavier's objections are usually well-reasoned, and he anticipates pretty much every one of Apollo's moves. Apollo would likely have lost 4-2 and 4-3 had Trucy not interfered in the former and Klavier not humored his stall for time in the latter.


Now, Edgeworth. He was hailed as the "demon prosecutor" who would do anything to get a guilty verdict, but I couldn't help but think his role in the courtroom was a little less imposing than claimed. Certainly, he falsified evidence, coached his witnesses, and left out information - but he didn't exactly pursue any of these to any serious degree, and just grumbled a bit when Phoenix tore through his deceptions each time. It's a little difficult to stand by a witness who says something you didn't want him to say, but...in comparison with Klavier, I just felt that Edgey was lacking in persistence. Some of his latter objections were kinda ridiculous - even the JUDGE, who notices jack shit, refused to acknowledge objections such as "The Defense is...uh...asking unnecessary questions!".

Hmm. Edgey is a.) a bastard, and b.) completely emo. But I've only just played through 1-4, and I hear Justice for All has interesting Edgey moments. I did say that I loved him, however; he is so ridiculously sane and cute when he wants to be, especially in helping Phoenix in 1-3 and his famous "unnecessary feelings" line at the conclusion of that trial. And of course 1-4's ending "Whoooooooooop!" with such a straight face...the man's still trying not to be a robot, and I wuv him for it. :D

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What's not to love about a man who isn't afraid to wear frills? >w< He is very charming, smart, cunning, and though sometimes a cold bastard he can be a softy on the inside. <333

His change during the games makes me happy... oh so happy... <3
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Nazne wrote:
I FSKING LOVE EDGEWORTH.
And of course 1-4's ending "Whoooooooooop!" with such a straight face...the man's still trying not to be a robot, and I wuv him for it. :D

-Nazne



I don't recall that. Probably for the better. Hell, I'm sure I subconsciously blocked it from memory.
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Really? I don't think that the manga should be any different from the games. I've always thought of the games as visual novels, and I think that Capcom releasing an official manga is the same as them releasing a new game.

As for Edgeworth remaining a mystery, I can see where you're coming from. With the sort of character Edgeworth is, revealing everything would ruin all of the fun. But I don't think that GK or the manga will pull anything major. It's not like either of them will be his autobiography or an account for every second of his life since birth; Capcom's just expanding the AA canon. I'm personally looking forward to both GK and the Casebook, because I want to know more about Edgeworth. I won't avoid them just because I'm afraid that they'll reveal too much.


You know, just because it's got the Capcom seal of approval doesn't mean it's canon. Just take a look at the Pokemon universe as an example: the games, anime, and manga all follow different continuities.
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La Diable wrote:
You know, just because it's got the Capcom seal of approval doesn't mean it's canon. Just take a look at the Pokemon universe as an example: the games, anime, and manga all follow different continuities.

Okay, I guess 'canon' wasn't really the right word :yuusaku:

*has a terrible vocabulary*

I don't really count the manga or GK as canon because they're spinoffs, but continuing your example it doesn't make them 'incorrect'. The Pokemon anime isn't 'wrong', it's just a different continuity delivered with the Pokemon 'seal of approval'.

It's the approval by Capcom that makes me consider it as still 'correct' for the AA universe. It's just like 1-5: 1-5 wasn't canon, but it's still part of Phoenix Wright and isn't rejected by fans for being incorrect.
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