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Adrian in black wrote:
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3-5 is still it for me.

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I can't get over the fact that Edgeworth was able to manipulate the court into letting him be a defense attorney with his choice of judge and prosecutor, using his influence as a former prosecutor but without revealing the fact that he is a prosecutor. Wut?


Spoiler: 3-5
I guess since Don Tigre and his paper badge were enough to fool a judge and his court (and the newspaper... and even the defendant?), they didn't feel the need to try too hard making Miles step into Phoenix's shoes.

That's not the problem.

Spoiler: 3-3, 3-5
There's a big difference between impersonating Phoenix Wright, and impersonating a completely unknown defense attorney who for some reason has enough pull to call in his own judge and prosecutor.


Of course, nobody knew who the hell Godot was before Ron's case and he somehow got everyone to think he was all that and a bag of poe-tay-toe chips, so who knows.
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^The actual manipulating in 3-5 isn't what gets me.
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Edgeworth is so high up in the prosecutor's office, he could probably arrange the judge and prosecutor through a series of underlings so that no one would know it was really him. What gets me is that he manages to find a judge who doesn't know him at all. After being played up so much as the "Demon Prosecutor" in 1, you'd think every judge in the area would at least know the name Miles Edgeworth.
Oh, and the fact that he only had one day to pull all these strings AND investigate the crime himself is pushing it a lot.


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The only far fetched part about 4-3 is suspected Machi did it.


Not really. Here's another far-fetched part:
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We know LeTouse was shot from the front at very close range, so there's no way he couldn't have seen his killer. Why then are his last words "The witness is siren", and not, oh I dunno, "It was Daryan"? Or "It was the big-haired guy" if you want to argue he didn't recognize Daryan.

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Exactly my point. He really said it for no other reason than that it's a video game and it can't just hand you the answer.
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Something that's always bothered me about 2-2 is how Maya got that bullet hole in her sleeve, while lying down, without getting hit by the actual bullet. It just doesn't make any sense.
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^The actual manipulating in 3-5 isn't what gets me.
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Edgeworth is so high up in the prosecutor's office, he could probably arrange the judge and prosecutor through a series of underlings so that no one would know it was really him. What gets me is that he manages to find a judge who doesn't know him at all. After being played up so much as the "Demon Prosecutor" in 1, you'd think every judge in the area would at least know the name Miles Edgeworth.
Oh, and the fact that he only had one day to pull all these strings AND investigate the crime himself is pushing it a lot.



That judge is extremely dumb, even dumber than the regular judge, so I don't find it all that surprising.
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Something that's always bothered me about 2-2 is how Maya got that bullet hole in her sleeve, while lying down, without getting hit by the actual bullet. It just doesn't make any sense.


When she was shot, she probably wasn't on the ground, but it was when Mimi lifted her up, trying to put her in the box, so it's very possible.
Yeah, Maya got lucky there. But she was unlucky in the first place...
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That judge is extremely dumb, even dumber than the regular judge, so I don't find it all that surprising.
A judge can be Dumber than Udgey? Gasp! :udgy:
Anyway, the most far-fetcheched case was, really, almost all of them. All of them have at least one thing that irks me. I blame the AA universe's police stupidity. :sadshoe: :yummy: :meekins: But the most far-fetched case was definently 4-3. Machi gets blamed, and
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LeTouse doesn't say anythng about his killer but... something insignifigant, I think.

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About case 4-3

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I don't think it was TOO farfetched that he wouldn't name the killer as his dying words. He probably could have said something a lot less vague and more helpfull, but I think he might have figured out how easily his statement would be thrown away by saying that someone who was seemingly on stage in front of thousands of people during the murder was actually the killer. Lamiroir wasn 't on stage at the time and so questioning her we could figure it out from there. Definately NOT the best hint he could have given us though. It is pretty far fetched.

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That Grey/Mimi skit was funny I'll do one for 2-3
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Bat: I want to have sex Princess
Regina: I want to have sex with Trilo Instead.
Bat: A Puppet? If I stick my head into the Lion would you date me?
Regina: I guess?
Bat: Yay!
Regina: Hey I'll think I'll put pepper in his scarf It's like it isn't going to hurt or Anything?
Acro: Bat are you crazy a lion?
Bat: Shut up Acro.
Trilo: He's a sissy boy anyway Ben, eat my fist
Ben: UUUMM
Russell: If something happens he'll be a star
Bat: OK Leon lets go
Acro: Wait is that Pepper
Bat: Who cares, I want Regina. Moe: Hey, What pizza topping causes you to sneeze Pepperoni! HA HA HA
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Leon (Man this guy's jokes are soo lame what is this dude doing putting his head in me I think I'll rid this world of this stupid guy by pretending to sneeze)
Acro OH NO HE BIT BAT I'LL SAVE HIM
Leon (Acro, I'm biting your legs off no one cares about you anyway )
Leon: I'm going to bite Trilo off of Ben Then shove him down Moe's throat so he can't tell corny jokes
Russell Leon, it's time to go out. Russell, (Leon, no one threatens Moe or Trilo It's time to die
Acro: Woe is me Bat is dead no one cares WAHHHH Oh I'll kill Regina. My legs are gone I'll have to throw an object to kill him I'll use this ugly bust Money Stole. I'll have him throw a box down so It will be flawless.I'll just write a note to get her here. Regina: Acro heres breakfast.
Regina What's this note
YOU BITCH YOU KILLED BAT I HAVE PEPPER TO PROVE IT IF YOU HAVE ANY REMORSE YOU WILL COME HERE AT TEN O CLOCK ACRO
Regina: Who's Bat (Hangs note on Wall)
Max: Ben, you suck WHAMM
Russell Uh Oh, I better go to Acro's myself! Max I'm going to borrow your costume I don't want anyone to see me.
Max: I'll let you if I can marry Regina
Russell. Whatever
Ben Hey Russell
Rusell I'm Max Galactia 3 symbols you idiots.
Russell Acro I'm opening the chest.
Acro DIE REGINA
POW
Regina Hey Acro
Acro WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE BITCH
Regina My dad became a star Moe said Max killed him
Acro: OH GREAT I KILLED HER DAD INSTEAD I WILL KILL MYSELF ON SECOND THOUGHT LETS BURN THE CAPE AND HID THE STATUE IN MY WHEELCHAIR THEY'LL THINK MAX DID IT LETS SEE BAT
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Spoiler: 4-4
I've played this through several times, and each time it looks like there is no way in hell Phoenix is talking to the jury. Phoenix is breaking the fourth wall to explain the unecessary gimmick to the player. Its capcom saysing ZOMG look what we did here's how to do it! The AA games have always had a convient character on hand to explain each aspect, (pearls was added so she could explain psyche-locks for example) But there was no way to explain the mason system to the player. I like the idea of the camera being the POV, it makes a lot more sense that way, but still, they needed to be able to have someone explain the way the mason system works to the player, so they chose phoenix. Phoenix breaks the fourth wall and explains everything.
As for the stamp being the murder weapon, saying that it seems unreal totally proves its potentancy. No one expects that once they lick a stamp they will be ending their life. That's why it is such a good murder weapon. You have no way of knowing its coming, and the evidence is practically non-existant. Well it would have been, but the plan didn't work.

Before I forget, yes, Klavier did ruin it. I hope Capcom finds a way to get rid of him. I'd hate for that THING to become the new edgey (shudders)


Spoiler: 2-2
Mimi wasn't stupid, she was paranoid. There is a difference. And the plastic surgery thing really is a cliche. I mean it has to have been done a bizzilion times.


Spoiler: 3-5
The bridge coincidence. It could happen. The fact that it conviently so much into chaos is irrelevant. Lightning can strike bridges and set them on fire. Quite a nice way to end the phoenix arc. The lightinging at the begining (mia's second trial) and the lightning playing a part at the end help tie everything together.
As for the unintelligent plan... Yeah... that could have been better.

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3-5 for me. It also happens to be one of my favourite cases.
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The chances of it all happening are astronomically small, but there aren't that many striking contradictions compared to other cases. Although there were far simpler ways to stop Morgan's plan, Godot's irrational behiavour is what makes him a great character. As for Edgeworth's "powerful string", I don't understand why he would try to hide his identity in the first place. If Diego Armando could become a prosecutor that easily, why couldn't Edgeworth be a defense attorney for a day?

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Spoiler: 3-5
Yes, but Diego probably took the bar exam again or went though an application process or something, not just walking into court one day with a prosecutor's...liscence(?) like Edgy did (except with an AB)

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3-5 for me. It also happens to be one of my favourite cases.
Spoiler: 3-5, obviously
The chances of it all happening are astronomically small, but there aren't that many striking contradictions compared to other cases. Although there were far simpler ways to stop Morgan's plan, Godot's irrational behiavour is what makes him a great character. As for Edgeworth's "powerful string", I don't understand why he would try to hide his identity in the first place. If Diego Armando could become a prosecutor that easily, why couldn't Edgeworth be a defense attorney for a day?


Spoiler: 3-5
"Diego Armando" didn't become a prosecutor that easily, "Godot" did. According to Gumshoe, he just showed up to work one day out of nowhere, and no one knew a thing about him. So he also hid his identity. We don't know what would have happened had he just shown up as Diego, but there certainly would have been a lot of buzz. So it's not so odd that Edgeworth also masked his identity.

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3-5 for me. It also happens to be one of my favourite cases.
Spoiler: 3-5, obviously
The chances of it all happening are astronomically small, but there aren't that many striking contradictions compared to other cases. Although there were far simpler ways to stop Morgan's plan, Godot's irrational behiavour is what makes him a great character. As for Edgeworth's "powerful string", I don't understand why he would try to hide his identity in the first place. If Diego Armando could become a prosecutor that easily, why couldn't Edgeworth be a defense attorney for a day?

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I'd bet that the tests you have to take to become a defense attorney must be different from the tests you have to take to be a prosecutor (in the PW world, that is). Therefore, though Edgeworth is fully qualified as a prosecutor, to be a defense attorney, he'd have to take those tests--and obviously he didn't have that kind of time.

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Adrian in black wrote:
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3-5 for me. It also happens to be one of my favourite cases.
Spoiler: 3-5, obviously
The chances of it all happening are astronomically small, but there aren't that many striking contradictions compared to other cases. Although there were far simpler ways to stop Morgan's plan, Godot's irrational behiavour is what makes him a great character. As for Edgeworth's "powerful string", I don't understand why he would try to hide his identity in the first place. If Diego Armando could become a prosecutor that easily, why couldn't Edgeworth be a defense attorney for a day?


Spoiler: 3-5
"Diego Armando" didn't become a prosecutor that easily, "Godot" did. According to Gumshoe, he just showed up to work one day out of nowhere, and no one knew a thing about him. So he also hid his identity. We don't know what would have happened had he just shown up as Diego, but there certainly would have been a lot of buzz. So it's not so odd that Edgeworth also masked his identity.


But that's just the problem.
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Edgeworth DIDN'T hide his identity and went in as Miles Edgeworth. Not to mention that von Karma could have ruined it for him any time. I'm actually surprised she didn't...


Now as for my vote, I'll also have to go with 2-3. Hell, JFA in general had faulty logic in a lot of places.

However, 2-3 bothers me in particular. First of all, the whole "cape fell on the bust", no matter how true it may be, is just Phoenix grasping for straws to me. Another thing is the whole flying thing. So what if there weren't footprints? You can't just arrest someone because they can "fly" and it fits. What's not to say that the person stood on the nearby sidewalk and hit Russell in such a way it'd hit him in the back of the head? That's equally plausible. Also yes, I have a problem digesting this "pepper on the scarf" thing. Leon could have just clamped down.

Next, it would be 2-4. Now I LOVE 2-4, and it's my second/third favorite case (depending on how you consider 3-4/3-5). However, it's logic and coincidences bring it down a little.

First and foremost, it's the whole deal with Shoe. WHY would Phoenix and Pearl be asked to go and feed Matt's cat when there's a BUTLER already there? (granted, it's de Killer, but whatever) That little event seemed to be the only thing writers could come up with to introduce the mansion and Shoe to everyone. Nothing more.

THEN, de Killer testifies by radio. Excuse me for thinking it's more farfetched then cross-examining a parrot, but really. They didn't even TRY to trace the call. Sure, Edgeworth said they wouldn't but so what? They still could have done it. Second, it doesn't fit in, since de Killer was supposedly first getting out of the Berry Big Circus with Maya, then goes BACK to get the stuff he forgot as well as getting into some sort of gunfight all while testifying to the court about who his client is. How is that possible?
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But that's just the problem.
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Edgeworth DIDN'T hide his identity and went in as Miles Edgeworth. Not to mention that von Karma could have ruined it for him any time. I'm actually surprised she didn't...



Spoiler: 3-5
Haha. True, he used his name, but he still went to great lengths to "hide" his identity for the sake of the case. Got a judge who only met him once six years ago, and a prosecutor he knew wouldn't blow his cover...

As for why Franziska said nothing, I suspect she was more concerned with squashing him like a bug, and telling the truth about his identity would have only spoiled that.

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Next, it would be 2-4. Now I LOVE 2-4, and it's my second/third favorite case (depending on how you consider 3-4/3-5). However, it's logic and coincidences bring it down a little.

First and foremost, it's the whole deal with Shoe. WHY would Phoenix and Pearl be asked to go and feed Matt's cat when there's a BUTLER already there?


Why that thought didn't occur to Phoenix and Pearl is a very good question...

OK, why it didn't occur to Phoenix is a good question...I love Pearl, but she's a naive little girly.

In any case,
Spoiler: This feels spoilery, so...
it's not as bad when looking at it from the angle of why were they sent to do it... It's unlikely that 'if anybody shows up, say you're the butler' was the plan...I mean, what if the visitor was someone who'd know he didn't have a butler? No, that was most likely just an excuse de Killer came up with on the spot to explain why he was there.

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Still, Matt and de Killer had to establish SOME basis of an explanation incase anyone came visiting. It would be very suspicious otherwise.


And besides, it's still a very obivous ploy to make you see Shoe anyway.
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Spoiler: 3-5
Yes, but Diego probably took the bar exam again or went though an application process or something, not just walking into court one day with a prosecutor's...liscence(?) like Edgy did (except with an AB)


The funny thing about that last bit
Spoiler: Still 3-5
It was Nick's badge...if anyone'd bothered checking, he'd have been screwed. But the Judge is an idiot, and Franzy was in on it - for reasons Adrian in Black mentioned.


But, after 3-3, the fact that nobody did check is not terribly unbelievable...The LA legal system circa 2016 is full of idiots.
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Spoiler: 2-3
2-3, and maybe 3-5 shortly behind, but 2-3 takes the prize because of the "yeah the cape attached itself to the statue and a clown saw it as Max and that was all due to a lion sneezing because of pepper."

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2-3 no contest.
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Ridiculous! A bust fell and killed someone, there cape flew off, and landed right on it and got pulled away, witnessed by moe. and the bust just happened to look exactly like a person who is known to fly. Also, much testimony relied on a puppet, and the pepper of the scarf thing was terrible.

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I thought the murder in 2-3 was pretty much meant to be far fetched.

I mean, think how unbelieveably crazy this case was anyways. The whole murder is almost like magic, e.g very hard to believe. Same goes for part of the cast and other thingamajings in this case.

Am I the only one who thinks 1-5 was one of the most far fetched? I'll prolly give my reasons why later. IMO there are small details people tend to miss and they make this case more far fetched than it already is. (1-5 is certainly one of the more far fetched cases in AA, just from a simple perspective.)
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I've got to admit, 1-5 is pretty improbable.

Spoiler: 1-5
Marshall happened to get into a fight with Meekins in the evidence room at the exact same time as Lana was stabbing Goodman across town. The fact that both happened on the same day makes sense because of evidence transferral, but the same time to the minute?
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I've got to admit, 1-5 is pretty improbable.

Spoiler: 1-5
Marshall happened to get into a fight with Meekins in the evidence room at the exact same time as Lana was stabbing Goodman across town. The fact that both happened on the same day makes sense because of evidence transferral, but the same time to the minute?

Spoiler: 1-5
Not to mention the Blue Badger moved exactly so it's clear what's going on but their faces can't be seen.
But even though it's improbable, it was very funny, especially Phoenix and Edgeworth's reaction, which was the same as mine.

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Oh man, I forgot all about 1-5!

Darke kills almost half a dozen peole with no forethought or planning whatsoevever, and four detectives involved with the case can't find a single piece of evidence against him? Gumshoe's idea of evidence is "this person was somewhere near the crime when it happened" - Goodman and the rest could have handed von Karma a piece of lint and he would find a way to make a conviction.

Not to mention during the present day case, the very thought of someone dragging a dead body out of the police station, into the parking lot/garage, breaking into someone's trunk, and stashing the body - all without a single person noticing the body, the blood, or the smell - is downright ridiculous. I know the police in PW are inept, but that's going a little far.

And then there's the silliness in the trial itself, where Phoenix confirms the murder weapon using a teenager's stig figure drawing. "She didn't draw it pointy enough for it to be a knife!" It's a good thing Edgeworth was on his side by then, because anyone else would have laughed him out of court.

It's a shame, because I like some of the characters in 1-5 (especially Gant) but I just can't take the case seriously >.>
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3-3 deserves special mention, although I agree with most of what people are saying about 2-3, 2-4, 3-5 etc.
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The fact Tigre even posed as Phoenix is rather stupid, he had planted enough evidence and potential testimony to make it an easy loss for the defense, going in himself and doing purposefully bad just raises suspicion.
Tigre, hardly a master of disguise, passes off as both Phoenix and Elg despite him looking completely different apart from hair on Phoenix's part.
Maggey doesn't realise anything's up despite how different phoenix is, the holiday thing doesn't wash with me, Maggey says in 2-1 she's one of Phoenix's biggest fans, she would of known he had gone or would of recognised his face was different.
The whole winning the lottery scenario.
Tigre leaves his Phoenix costume in the open in his office, he's not exactly going to wear it again.
That Tigre actually gets away with the "not enough evidence" ploy despite the Judge seeing him in court, and agreeing it was definately him.
The whole Tigre and Viola crsh incident, not only is it highly implausable, but if Viola got near fatal injuries in a large car, how on earth did Tigre on a scooter, not wearing a helmet get out unscathed?
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In any case,
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it's not as bad when looking at it from the angle of why were they sent to do it... It's unlikely that 'if anybody shows up, say you're the butler' was the plan...I mean, what if the visitor was someone who'd know he didn't have a butler? No, that was most likely just an excuse de Killer came up with on the spot to explain why he was there.


Spoiler: 2-4
I don't honestly think Matt and DeKiller planned on Matt getting arrested at all. De Killer would have left his card and that would be that. De Killer would be the killer and the police would run around looking for him. The funny thing is, Adrian accomplished her goal in making matt seem more suspicious, thereby actually revealing the true criminal to be Matt. Aslo, it would be more realistic if Matt was honestly worried about his cat. Its possible he isn't a completely heartless person (most evil people aren't). He just didn't know de killer was hanging out in his mansion. De killer decided that he had to protect the tape on his own after his client told him to go fetch it for him. (when de killer gave him the bear) :godot:
The case seems like a terrible screw up on the murderers part if it is accepted this way. :oops: .

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Oh man, I forgot all about 1-5!

Darke kills almost half a dozen peole with no forethought or planning whatsoevever, and four detectives involved with the case can't find a single piece of evidence against him? Gumshoe's idea of evidence is "this person was somewhere near the crime when it happened" - Goodman and the rest could have handed von Karma a piece of lint and he would find a way to make a conviction.

Not to mention during the present day case, the very thought of someone dragging a dead body out of the police station, into the parking lot/garage, breaking into someone's trunk, and stashing the body - all without a single person noticing the body, the blood, or the smell - is downright ridiculous. I know the police in PW are inept, but that's going a little far.

And then there's the silliness in the trial itself, where Phoenix confirms the murder weapon using a teenager's stig figure drawing. "She didn't draw it pointy enough for it to be a knife!" It's a good thing Edgeworth was on his side by then, because anyone else would have laughed him out of court.

It's a shame, because I like some of the characters in 1-5 (especially Gant) but I just can't take the case seriously >.>



I still think this case is within the realms of realms of reality. It's all possible. Sure, it's not too probable, but I find it probable enough.
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And then there's the silliness in the trial itself, where Phoenix confirms the murder weapon using a teenager's stig figure drawing. "She didn't draw it pointy enough for it to be a knife!" It's a good thing Edgeworth was on his side by then, because anyone else would have laughed him out of court.

Oh, geez. I think I spent about a half-hour trying to figure out what was wrong with that drawing, because I assumed the rectangular knife was an abstraction. ><
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Not to mention during the present day case, the very thought of someone dragging a dead body out of the police station, into the parking lot/garage, breaking into someone's trunk, and stashing the body - all without a single person noticing the body, the blood, or the smell - is downright ridiculous. I know the police in PW are inept, but that's going a little far.


In fairness, the police weren't there. Everyone was at the awards thing. And it was tranferral day.
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