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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:47 pm

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What Kind of Pixel Art?

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:55 pm

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Will this engine be open source.

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:03 pm

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HyperJerk: Generally animated characters, the same style used in GS games. Perhaps some background images too. I've attempted pixel art and I know how hard it is though. That's why I think I'll have trouble finding an artist.

XImplosionX: Probably not. There's simply no need. If anyone were to alter the engine, users would need to download new case players, most likely. It'd get too confusing. I'll be the one to update the engine after its initial release.

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:42 am

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So, once a case is finished, will they have to be distributed by you through the case maker, or can the creator of the case make it into an .exe and distribute it personally?

Oh, and I'm hyped up for this engine also. Make me a supporter. Edgy

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Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:22 pm

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This looks totally awesome but is it very complex to make a case and arrange the sprites and music to suit the situation? Meekins

Coz if it's too complicated I'll just end up Head Bang

But it seems like a cool concept.

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:31 pm

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I'm supporting you. I doubt I can help in any way but good luck. Keep working Redd White

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:58 pm

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Michael Jackson, I hope to implement a case download system. The high-profile cases will be put on there for easy downloading. This also lets me filter out crap. Like, if someone chooses to make a hentai game, it's nothing to do with me. They could distribute it with the EXE but I wouldn't upload it. How can I make you a supporter? Gymshoe

DarzieP, thanks. I just hope Fran's whips aren't aimed at me! Ack

Just take my word that I'll make it as user-friendly as possible. And thanks for your positive words too, The Hyde.

I must say, it's all been a bit of a pain lately as my PC with the newest version of the source code went dud. So I'm making it with my laptop currently. I have to do a bit of work to get it back to where it was but I'm going to give it my all. Larry

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Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:58 am

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So Our Cases will have to go By YOU before others get to play them?

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:47 pm

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No, you can put the cases on your own site, or send them to your friends ^_^ But if you want the cases to get a review and publicity, it'd be best to ask for them to be put on the system.

If you need or would like a team to help review/filter the cases, I'd like to be involved with it ^_^

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:01 am

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Great - like you said, some cases may be a bit too inappropriate for it to be publicly displayed.
Not only inappropriate, but let's say if someone wanted to write a love letter with a case, it's personal, and they wouldn't want it displayed. Frank Sawit

I have a question on how the character frames will be handled, and I'm not sure if the issue has been adressed before.
So are there seperate picture files for characters talking? Like, is the blinking/talking frames of the animation in one file, or will it be handled differently, like "play talking animation when talking, play blinking animation all other instances", or "play this part of the animation when talking, play that part of the animation when not"?
Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Oh, and the "make me a supporter" was a figurative phrase. You can't like put a pin on me that says, "I like Shaun's Case Maker". Karma Scream

^ I just had to use that smiley.

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:15 am

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I like to try out this project. Say Shaun, how's the progress?

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:23 am

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I apologise for any delays. I am now working forty hours a week. That doesn't however mean I have given up on the project. I am using my spare time for it.

I plan for the user to put animations in folders, with a number for each frame (i.e. 1.png, 2.png, and so on). The app will deal with this anyway.

You won't have anything you can use any time soon, but maybe I'll release a video in a couple of weeks.

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Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:18 am

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Make me a supporter Javado

also for the prosecution idea make it the defenses idea a testimony Nick

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:06 pm

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Hmm... any new screenshots, perhaps? That might, er, please the crowds?

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Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:59 pm

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Relax. Good things come to those who wait. I'd like to see the screenshots of your engine, actually. It's okay for most of you, bags of free time, mommy and daddy providing Internet. But it's not so easy for me. I'm working on it. Gimme a break. Gymshoe

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:03 pm

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Hey, first post here. Anyway, pal, maybe you should put this idea on a list somewhere for thought when you have finished this project. A java-version or one that can be multi player so you can go head-to-head with a real opponent. Think about it, pal!

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Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:05 pm

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A java version would take a complete re-write... and, learning java. How would multiplayer work anyway? Seems like an impossible concept to me.

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Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:00 pm

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Shaun wrote:

A java version would take a complete re-write... and, learning java. How would multiplayer work anyway? Seems like an impossible concept to me.

I don't think multiplayer would work either. It would just as good as consulting a friend about a tricky part of the game. Co-counsel like.

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:16 pm

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Omigoshhh... Maya Shock

Can't wait till this comes out. Good luck on making this! Beer

I have one question though... Edgy

Will you be able to merge your cases into one game, for example I make four cases. Will I be able to put these four cases into one game? Like so that they are unlockable and it has a title screen too? Ini Mimi

And again, GOOD LUCK!

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Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:58 am

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I'm jumping on the bandwagon and wishing you luck, too.
I look forward to the day it's all done.

Patience is a virtue, they say~. =D

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Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:47 pm

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Rofl... thanks to the April Fool's I have no clue what you're saying. I'll check it tomorrow. "Kyle Boost"... XD

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:54 am

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gyakuten-neko wrote:

Omigoshhh... Maya Shock

Can't wait till this comes out. Good luck on making this! Beer

I have one question though... Edgy

Will you be able to merge your cases into one game, for example I make four cases. Will I be able to put these four cases into one game? Like so that they are unlockable and it has a title screen too? Ini Mimi

And again, GOOD LUCK!

Yes. This is exactly what I had in mind from the start. Thanks! Phoenix

Morinozuka Takashi wrote:

I'm jumping on the bandwagon and wishing you luck, too.
I look forward to the day it's all done.

Patience is a virtue, they say~. =D

Thanks for your nice words, and thanks to DarzieP's for his too. It's understandable if anyone wants to see progress. I wish work didn't exist. I am a little busy lately, but I haven't forgotten about you guys. Expect some new images. Not immediately, but soon.

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:48 pm

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OMG WHAT HAPPENED TO KYLE BOOST Ack

!? I come here with a wanting to make some Hotel Dusk fangames, and what's here?! PHOENIX F*CKIN' WRIGHT Ack

!?

...nah, I'm joking. Keep it up, Shaun, you look to be a great coder, keep working on that engine.

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:19 am

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In a futile attempt to bump this topic without making it clear it's a bump, I've thought of a few more questions.

1. When you are given the option to answer a question, by let's say the Judge, will you be able to have the normal three choices AND be able to present evidence and people? This would help without wasting a choice that says "Present Evidence". You can do that by the Court Records thing in the upper right.

2. Can you do anything even remotely similar to, in Gyakuten Saiban 2, Phoenix throws Edgeworth the phone? Or, if you can't do that, can there be courtroom panning sprites?

3. Can you have more than three choices when presented with an option to do something?

4. How will sound effects work? Will each sprite be tied to a sound, or is there some sort of timeline where you must entire the sound for each animation? If the first option, will that be changeable whenever you want (like you want a particular sprite to be linked to a different sound than you used earlier, while keeping the original sound)?

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:50 am

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Michael Jackson wrote:

2. Can you do anything even remotely similar to, in Gyakuten Saiban 2, Phoenix throws Edgeworth the phone? Or, if you can't do that, can there be courtroom panning sprites?

I don't see how that'd be difficult. It's just a generic phoenix point followed by a "TAKE THAT".

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:17 pm

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Good timing, Jacko. I've found a fix for the text today, which should hopefully work. If I get text working fine, I can progress with everything. For many of your questions, I'm not up to that point, but I know exactly what I want to do, so...

1. Probably. Behind the scenes, the evidence and profiles are just values that are compared. It's not too difficult. I'd only be able to allow so much customisation though.

2. I imagine so. I want to make the engine work with events, and lots of checkboxes and values you can change, etc., for each event. You'll be able to change the animation of a character and make it immediately scroll. So, yes, I'd think so. Let's just see how it goes, eh?

3. I was thinking about this. It'd be hard to fit a next button on the screen, so maybe I'd have a blinking arrow, and you'd be able to press the arrow keys to proceed.

4. At the beginning of each event, you'd be able to select a few sounds and specify how many seconds after the event has started the sound plays. There'd be other options too, like "animation has finished", etc. In short, it'll be simple.

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Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:29 pm

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Well With the wait for a GS5 (sounds odd eh?) announcement or the Word of GS being canceled, These Case makers would be the only thing keeping the game alive! So remember the wieght you hold on your shoulders

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:09 am

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Hmm...
This seems like quite a daunting task. This may seem blunt, but do you really intend to go all the way with this? As in- would it be a good idea for me to actually do some serious work on cases ive thought up, or should i wait for a few more months and check back?
PS- if you do do this, will you be able to control the speed, color, ect. of the text? Because i think that that is what makes phoenix wright phoenix wright (okay that didn't make to much sense but oh well Nick

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Good luck in any case, im rootin for you

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:06 am

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While you're kind of right, rtsmarty, the evidence picture in the upper right moves to the center and spins around in while the courtroom pans to Edgeworth. While spinning, it also zooms in or zooms out, I can't remember.

And HyperJerk, not to bust your chops, but this is Shaun's project, he can do whatever he wants with it., He can cancel it if he wants. Don't try to influence him or push him by "putting weight on his shoulders".
A. That statement tends to build up tension.
B. If you truly cared abouit the series dying, you'd make one yourself or hire someone to do it.
C. Since you're not doing it, you don't know what it's like to make the case creator; only the select few who are doing it know.
Sorry for lashing out at you...

Anyway, Shaun, I'm happy with all of your answers, nothing I didn't want to hear. =P

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:37 pm

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Michael Jackson wrote:

While you're kind of right, rtsmarty, the evidence picture in the upper right moves to the center and spins around in while the courtroom pans to Edgeworth. While spinning, it also zooms in or zooms out, I can't remember.

Hmm, I'm quite sure the whole spinning evidence thing is a generic "TAKE THAT" thing. I'll just check...

...

Apparently not. Whoops, sorry.

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:40 am

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Thank you for your replies. Firstly, bad news - coloured text (I mean, formatted differently in a single string of text) does not yet work. However, the good news is, I'm going to hold a kind of auction soon for bespoke developers who can do this thing, to make it for me. The most I'll shell out is £100, but I'm sure somebody will be happy to do it for that.

HyperJerk, I completely acknowledge the weight on my shoulders. I am only sharing this project with the slightly-small Phoenix Wright fanbase, here at Court Records for now. (Well, small as opposed to the large amount of Phoenix Wright fans across the world.) I plan to make bigger announcements when I make real progress.

And, to answer Brandon's question too, I'm afraid that probably won't be any time in the next few months. I have a colossal amount of work to do to make this project work, and that's with a forty-hour job I must do. I may be leaving the job soon though, due to certain issues... If that happens, I'll have some free time left. Even if I stay for now, I intend to spend at least a couple of hours a day on it. And yes, everything will be customisable.

Thanks MJ - it is indeed a tough project. I can understand people's limits of patience, but no, this isn't easy. I don't have all the resources I want - e.g. the Internet. But this is still all very possible. I don't give up so easily.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:50 am

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If you're planning on making your own cases I think the best thing to do right now is work out what you want and then work it all out on paper (Or word). The statements, the replies, testimonies, item descriptions, the works! It will take you a long time, and it's best to get it done before the softwares out. Then you've got concept drawrings to do for the new characters and THEN you have to learn how to pixel art.

By the time you've done that (Probably a couple of months) the beta might be out ^_^

Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:55 pm

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I think I'll only distribute the beta to several trusted members of this forum. ;) Nonetheless, as it'll be easily possible to copy and paste text into the editor, that's not a bad idea. Pixel art isn't easy though. I think that will be the biggest challenge for anybody who wants to create a Phoenix Wright case... myself included.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:58 pm

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Add me to the list of people that want this.

Question though:

Will this be closer the RPG maker game series or to Game Maker/MUGEN
RPG Maker has a bunch of tools with it and pretty much does all the programming for you
Game Maker and MUGEN supply you the engine, but its up to you to do everything else.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:11 pm

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I never used Mugen as it was for Linux, right? Never used GameMaker either. I used RPG Maker many years ago, though. The game engine'll be done for you. All the technical gobble-de-gook will be hidden, so I'd say more RPG Maker-like.

Also, I wanted to say it's POSSIBLE (I stress, POSSIBLE!) that there will be a Pocket PC version of the case player, in the fairly distant future. Of course, it would be very much watered down. Just thought I'd let you guys know, as it is a possibility.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:16 pm

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Well MUGEN is strange because the company that made it died a few years ago and so the program relied on fans to make new versions. There are versions for almost every platform, and to even add characters into the game itself you'd have to open a file in notepad and type in the file address and whatnot (for some things).

Its good to hear this will be much easier. I tried that other case maker, but I like a user-friendly interface. Like if I want to import sprites into the system and then make animations based on the sprites I put in, that's what I like. Not having to do all of it on a seperate program, but if I have to its ok if the rest doesn't involve adding lines of code.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:05 pm

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If a Beta is Created I would Like to Test It.
Im looking forward to this one :D

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Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:32 pm

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I wouldn't be surprised if the people allowed to test the beta were MechaBowser and the other guy making a case maker. Case maker buddies! XD
Though I think we're jumping too far ahead - there's not going to be a beta for a long time.

In the meanwhile, I thought of another question, one which will be hard for me to put into words...
Okay, so the desks in front of the witness, defense attorney, and district attorney. Can they be removed or remodeled? For example, taking in my bomb idea from earlier, once the bomb blows up, there would hardly be a fraction of the desk left. So we can see the Phoenix sprite behind what the desks would normally cover. Now, my question - is this possible, given that the sprite maker added in the bottom portion of the sprite that is not normally seen? Or does the tool atomatically delete any portion of the sprite below the desk?

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Re: Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:38 pm

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You just mofify the desk sprite to show the gap and the persons legs. You've got to line it up right tho, and thats hard. And I do know how hard pixel art is. I could make new costume variations of characters, but I havent tried custom pixel arts yet.

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Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:41 pm

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I would think MMF has built in z-buffer, so it'd probably draw Phoenix, then the desk over him as a foreground. So if the desk was gone, you would be able to see Phoenix behind the desk TAKING INTO ACCOUNT that the section of the sprite now revealed would actually have been created.

Am I right, Shaun?

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