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So... what.... did Dahlia walk into Pottasium Cyanide Depot one day and exchange ideas on how to kill someone with Furio Tigre?

:that-b-word: I was thinking of using some Potassium Cyanide to kill someone, maybe by putting it in their coffee?

:zenitora: Hey, youze gotsa good method, huh? I betta try dat sometime.


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Ahahaahahaha! This gives me great ideas for a Prosecutor Hawthorne sprite! :phoenix:
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So... what.... did Dahlia walk into Pottasium Cyanide Depot one day and exchange ideas on how to kill someone with Furio Tigre?

:that-b-word: I was thinking of using some Potassium Cyanide to kill someone, maybe by putting it in their coffee?

:zenitora: Hey, youze gotsa good method, huh? I betta try dat sometime.


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If you have money then you can get anything, and Dahlia's father had lots of it. Furio was a loan-sharking mug, and he had enough contacts to get it.
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I dunno... I don't think Dahlia could just sneak away with thousands of dollars and buy some poison... that seems overly farfetched to me.
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Furio didn't have much money either. Besides, you forgot that Dahlia had a very important contact: Valerie.
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Who said she bought the poison? :kikzou:
Too lazy... hur hur.
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Aetheryn, she didn't know Doug when she planned the fake ransoming. That's the one we're discussing.
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Gerkuman wrote:
Aetheryn, she didn't know Doug when she planned the fake ransoming.

Are you sure about that?
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Yes. She was being home tutored by Terry. Which means it's really unlikely for her to have gone to college.

That, and the fact she was fourteen. They don't stock really strong poisons in schools in case the teachers want to bump themselves off (True story, it has happened)
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DaemonForce wrote:
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Aetheryn, she didn't know Doug when she planned the fake ransoming.

Are you sure about that?

We're positive. She dated him for less than a year, when she was 18, the ransom happened when she was 14, well before she even went to school.
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I dunno... I don't think Dahlia could just sneak away with thousands of dollars and buy some poison... that seems overly farfetched to me.


Don't forget the diamond from case 4, she probably pawned it.
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I dunno... I don't think Dahlia could just sneak away with thousands of dollars and buy some poison... that seems overly farfetched to me.


Don't forget the diamond from case 4, she probably pawned it.


Purely Impossible, thanks for playing, gift box is on the way out the door.

She MUST'VE given the necklace to Terry BEFORE she ran off with the diamond! Terry thought she was dead, remember? How would she give him a necklace when she is DEAD?
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As 3-4 says, they buried the pendant together under a tree. So it's possible that Terry could've gotten the poison for her. The reason he was late to the rendezvous with Valerie was because he went to dig the pendant up.
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I think there's a typo in the second sentence somewhere, Gerkuman... there's NO WAY that Terry would've gotten the poison for DAHLIA.
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He loved her, and he was either fairly thick or had learning difficulties. He'd do anything for her, he said so himself, so I don't see why he wouldn't have done it.

I mean, she coerced him into drinking the damn thing. XD
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I don't think he would've drank it so quickly if he knew what it was though...

Granted, she didn't tell him "Drink the poison", she said "Drink the contents of the bottle".

Still, if the police were told to look for something which looked like it could hold poison... why not check Phoenix then? I mean, he had the pendant which contained it initially!... and I am strugling to not capitalize things. lol.
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When they both agreed to drink the pendant, they both knew it was poison. It was supposed to be a suicide pact, and they both would drink it and die together.

It's like a corrupted version of Romeo and Juliette.
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Yeah... a modern (somewhat) romantic (barely) corrupted (extremely) Romeo and Juliet.

"............."

I don't remember any quotes from the book. Damn!!! I wanted to use an "UGGA!" joke. Oh well.

Also, it wasn't a suicide pact at all. It was simple: If either one of them stopped trusting the other one, the one who was losing trust, would drink the bottle's contents.

Of course, even if Dahlia drank it, she wouldn't die, because she's pure evil and all that. (semi-burn!).
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i don't think Terry was thaat dumb (if he was the home tutor), just dumb struck by Dahlia
plus seemed dumb at the court case because he was driven mad over the events that happened.

Terry could have attended/taught at the college and gotten the poison from there.
or Dahlia could have been dating both Terry and Doug at the same time.
(my memory bad so might have got muddled on few plot stuff)
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TheeGoblin wrote:
i don't think Terry was thaat dumb (if he was the home tutor), just dumb struck by Dahlia

:phoenix: Oh snap!
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Terry could have attended/taught at the college and gotten the poison from there.

This seems likely but I don't see that behavior in Terry. Dahlia is the one with the thieve's agenda.
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or Dahlia could have been dating both Terry and Doug at the same time.
(my memory bad so might have got muddled on few plot stuff)

I'm trying to reconfirm the dates again but I can't save anymore. I think I killed the battery! :ack:
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Terry could have attended/taught at the college and gotten the poison from there.

This seems likely but I don't see that behavior in Terry. Dahlia is the one with the thieve's agenda.


though he did agree to fake kidnap Dahlia for a priceless jewel.
was there a run away with the money plan as well? well i think thats just what Dahlia might have told him anyway. Her intension to keep it for herself was clear, and not share it three ways. if they got seriously caught i bet she would have ordered Terry to take the poison.
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a 14 year old University student...... errr...........
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Gerkuman wrote:
He loved her, and he was either fairly thick or had learning difficulties. He'd do anything for her, he said so himself, so I don't see why he wouldn't have done it.

I mean, she coerced him into drinking the damn thing. XD


He couldn't have been retard or stupid after all he was a home tutor...I think being in prison may have made him not right in the head. After all we know what goes on in prison but if Capcom were to even mention any of that they'd lose a T for teen rating for this game.
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a 14 year old University student...... errr...........

Almost as disturbing as a 13 year old prosecutor, eh? :godot:
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You can be smart and have learning difficulties. But there was no doubt at all that his time in prison severely unhinged him. But we have no idea how if was before his spell in jail.
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a 14 year old University student...... errr...........

Almost as disturbing as a 13 year old prosecutor, eh? :godot:


Not really... after all, her father is MvK (dear lord, I've made him into an abbreviation!), so again, not too strange.

Also, to Gerkuman, he was thinking of only one thing in his time in prison: Asking Valyrie (sorry for a misspelling) the question. Also, he was a tutor, so I doubt he was stupid originally.
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DaemonForce wrote:
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a 14 year old University student...... errr...........

Almost as disturbing as a 13 year old prosecutor, eh? :godot:


No, she was in High School when the Terry happened and five years later when the second poisoning incident took place she was in college when she was nineteen.
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No, she was in High School when the Terry happened and five years later when the second poisoning incident took place she was in college when she was nineteen.


Something is wrong with "When the Terry happened" and I can't put my finger on it...
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Something is wrong with "When the Terry happened" and I can't put my finger on it...

That feeling is usually from a contradiction. Figure out why you're getting that feeling. :godot:
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Did I say he was stupid? If most people can go to prison and not go 'Ugga! Gwaaa!' then he probably had a learning difficulty that was exacibated by his time in the clink.
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Wait, when did 3-4 say Terry was Dahlia's tutor? I don't recall reading that. ô_o
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Something is wrong with "When the Terry happened" and I can't put my finger on it...

That feeling is usually from a contradiction. Figure out why you're getting that feeling. :godot:


I figured it out. It no have proper grammer. :godot:

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Wait, when did 3-4 say Terry was Dahlia's tutor? I don't recall reading that. ô_o


It's said many times... and nice avatar. =)

Lets see...... One simple solution to all of this: Someone... anyone... start up 3-1, and check Dahlia's profile. If it says she was dating Doug anything over 11 months and 29 days prior to the 3-1 case, then it means she was with him on the trial date of Terry Fawles.

Keeping this in mind, she was dating Phoenix for 8 months (Diego incident was 4 months after the Fawles trial), so if she was dating him less than 4 months, there was no possible way for her to get the stuff.

One more thing: Terry and her buried the necklace together. However, does it ever say that she could've went back, unbruied it, put poison inside, and re-buried it?

:gumshoe: The Plot Thickens!

It may say this on the Character's page of this site, but I am unsure.
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Yeah... a modern (somewhat) romantic (barely) corrupted (extremely) Romeo and Juliet.

"............."

I don't remember any quotes from the book. Damn!!! I wanted to use an "UGGA!" joke. Oh well.

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By any other name would smell as sweet poisonous

(Yeah, I'm not sure how something smells poisonous)


But about Dahlia's poison source, it' didn't have to be from Doug. For all we know, it could have been from "yet another boyfriend." :angel:

Heck, she could have just walked into a university chemistry lab, distracted the professor with her feminine wiles, and swiped the first dangerous chemical substance she saw.
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Now I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that Terry knew what was in that vial. There's nothing else that he could have thought was in a mysterious bottle that he and his love were supposed to drink if they doubted each other. Plus, he was definitely not surprised to be dying after he'd taken the poison. Ergo, since the poison was in the bottle when it was buried, that rules out Doug Swallow as the source (as mentioned before). Now I don't know where she did get the poison, or whether she had Terry get it, but she could easily have managed it. This is :chinami: we're talking about after all. She can do anything...
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The professor, and at least 10 students doing work in there? Keep in mind, Doug says that the stuff was only stolen ONCE in the past (line from 3-1).

This is made to assume, of course, that maybe it was stolen 6 months prior... but I am still unsure.
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It didn't have to be from Ivy University. She could have gone to a different one. And I'm sure there's a time when a professor is alone in a lab. It didn't have to be from a university, even. There are loads of poison sources Dahlia could have visited, e.g. pharmacies, local poisonous wildlife, etc.
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Look. We need not just "any" poisonous substance. It has to fit the conditions brought up. It has to be a very minor dosage, it has to be something clear... and a few other things... Oh yeah, and a liquid (although I have been wondering if maybe it was razor blades... it would explain why he needed to drink it down, AND the bleeding, which are both brought up in the canon)
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Ha, I bet the poison was her BLOOD.

Seriously though, even if there are certain conditions for this nameless poison, that doesn't limit her resources. Since we don't know what the poison was, that doesn't rule out any of those possible sources.

I like the razor blades idea though! :onamida:
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Ha, I bet the poison was her BLOOD.

Second vote for devil's blood! :godot:
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