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| Author: | Cookie~Ace [ Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
*Thinks REAL hard*  /  I don't get it... /  The constant Ema badge threads got annoying after a bit. Hence...hate. /  There's really nothing to be proud of for these two. Except sympathy on Phoenix's part I guess... /  Spoiler:  /  Though THOUGH I do think it's a hot pairing in my fangirl mind, I think it's a bit overdone in the Phoenix Wrigh fandom. So I guess I don't hate it... But rather think its' overhyped. *shot*shot*shot* |
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| Author: | FSTA [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
I'm not a Maya/Phoenix fan... |
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| Author: | Concerned Citizen [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:01 am ] |
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Avenger wrote: I'm not a Maya/Phoenix fan... Neither am I...in fact...I am not to big on the whole pairing thing, unless it's a EXTREMELY well-written fan fiction (which of course, they are REALLY rare.). Mmm...does friendship fics count though? |
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| Author: | WotanAnubis [ Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
 /  Most pairings just make me go 'meh' or I just don't see them or anything, but I don't got a problem with 'em. This particular one, however, never fails to make me scream with mental anguish. |
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| Author: | Orcaizer Al [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
WotanAnubis wrote: / Most pairings just make me go 'meh' or I just don't see them or anything, but I don't got a problem with 'em. This particular one, however, never fails to make me scream with mental anguish. Same here, especially since I stumbled upon a fanfic about these two, and Tomoe got pregnant with Ganto's child. ... I mean, seriously, WTF?! |
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| Author: | Jibo [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Remembered some of them:  /   / Penny.  /   / 
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| Author: | Kryptik [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:14 pm ] |
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It'll never happen though. Because we all know that /  is OTP.*RUNS* Just kidding. Poor Will just seems like the kind of unlucky sad sack that will never get a girl, despite his tries. |
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| Author: | Riku [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Jibo wrote: / Oh man... I really hope that one didn't happen... XD |
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| Author: | Chinese Infantry [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Here's another set of pairings I don't like...  / Tea (Because we all know Godot's love lies with a cup of coffee) /   /  . Worst...paring...ever...Don't take this post seriously. Please, just...don't... |
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| Author: | CantFaketheFunk [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Aw, Will/Penny is concentrated adorable for me. |
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| Author: | Harry Miste [ Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
| / Shoot me. I don't care. *shot* / I hate yaoi pairings.
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| Author: | Kat_Aclysm [ Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
| x is my favourite pairing thus far, after finishing Ace Attorney. I wouldn't say they're mad head-over-heels about each other like some fans portray them at times, but they click well. The bits of subtext-interactio they have together just makes me smile. Plus after seeing this fanart, I am just a tad biased toward them right now: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/42837805/ So cute.  x - I don't like, because although Gumshoe is loyal towards Edgey, I just don't see them as a couple. Fortunately you don't see a lot of it. x - Don't like this much. Maya acts like too much of a kid-sister to Phoenix to be his lover. Maybe Mia and Phoenxi would have clicked, but Mia also seemed to see Phoenix as sort of like a kid-brother in GS3 case 1. x ANYBODY. Ewww. + should be hobo buddies!Er... I can't think of anyone else right now. |
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| Author: | Konran [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:49 am ] |
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Orcaizer Al wrote: WotanAnubis wrote: / Most pairings just make me go 'meh' or I just don't see them or anything, but I don't got a problem with 'em. This particular one, however, never fails to make me scream with mental anguish. Same here, especially since I stumbled upon a fanfic about these two, and Tomoe got pregnant with Ganto's child. ... I mean, seriously, WTF?! Blackmail = office raep. It's so obvious. I don't like the pairing, but if Gant was thirty years younger I might. And... not a rapist. |
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| Author: | Orcaizer Al [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:59 am ] |
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Konran wrote: I don't like the pairing, but if Gant was thirty years younger I might. And... not a rapist. Aye, Captain! Ganto's not a rapist, but a paedophile. :/ |
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| Author: | Morinozuka Takashi [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:00 pm ] |
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Kat_Aclysm wrote: x is my favourite pairing thus far, after finishing Ace Attorney. I wouldn't say they're mad head-over-heels about each other like some fans portray them at times, but they click well. The bits of subtext-interactio they have together just makes me smile.Plus after seeing this fanart, I am just a tad biased toward them right now: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/42837805/ So cute. x - I don't like, because although Gumshoe is loyal towards Edgey, I just don't see them as a couple. Fortunately you don't see a lot of it. x - Don't like this much. Maya acts like too much of a kid-sister to Phoenix to be his lover. Maybe Mia and Phoenxi would have clicked, but Mia also seemed to see Phoenix as sort of like a kid-brother in GS3 case 1. x ANYBODY. Ewww. + should be hobo buddies!Er... I can't think of anyone else right now. You're prety cool... *___* =D |
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| Author: | RevFirst [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Android 21 3/7 wrote: Yeah, I personally steer clear of yuri/yaoi pairings myself... Same here. It has nothing to with homophobia, it's just that I don't see these characters doing that. Their personalities don't even hint any of this stuff. Still, I find this goddamn funny....especially this: / 
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| Author: | CantFaketheFunk [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
I can't speak for anyone else, but with very few exceptions, it's not "Personality == GAAAAY." It's "Personality = good matchup with person X regardless of gender." |
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| Author: | RevFirst [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:29 pm ] |
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Very few exceptions? Still I don't see that happening, no matter what gender nor orientation....unless you meant by the "opposites attract" thing. |
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| Author: | RonStarwind [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:33 pm ] |
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RevFirst wrote: Android 21 3/7 wrote: Yeah, I personally steer clear of yuri/yaoi pairings myself... Same here. It has nothing to with homophobia, it's just that I don't see these characters doing that. Their personalities don't even hint any of this stuff. Still, I find this goddamn funny....especially this: / Why is everyone jumping on the Gant's a pedophile bandwagon?? |
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| Author: | RevFirst [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
From my limited experience from these kinds of things, I'd say that this is just a joke at the Berry Big Circus part. If anyone is actually into this thing...... 
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| Author: | CantFaketheFunk [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
RevFirst wrote: Very few exceptions? Still I don't see that happening, no matter what gender nor orientation....unless you meant by the "opposites attract" thing. Well, in my mind is pretty goddamn lesbian, and I think the game DOES support that--of course, it's never confirmed either way because it's not what it deals with; she's not confirmed straight nor is she confirmed gay or bisexual (But there's an entire thread dealing with this in Kurain so I'll say no more).I don't... quite know what you're talking about. If two characters would fit together that happen to be both male or both female, how is it any less legitimate a romantic possibility than two characters who would fit together that are male / female? I'm not quite following you here. |
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| Author: | Mitsurugi Reiji [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
| / [*Motions to poorly draw sig.*] Cannot stand that pairing. He beat her in court. Jailed her father. "Drove" Edgeworth to leave. Well putting all that aside, why not make love? >>; That pairing just rubs me the wrong way. Franziska should either be with Miles or Adrian. SiblingLove/ObviousLesbianImplications! |
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| Author: | Morinozuka Takashi [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Mitsurugi Reiji wrote: / [*Motions to poorly draw sig.*]Cannot stand that pairing. He beat her in court. Jailed her father. "Drove" Edgeworth to leave. Well putting all that aside, why not make love? >>; That pairing just rubs me the wrong way. Franziska should either be with Miles or Adrian. SiblingLove/ObviousLesbianImplications! Yeah, that is true... Canon-wise, Phoenix/Fran does not make much sense... But I really wouldn't mind if it was in crack-fics or fanarts, but that's just me. I know it'll never happen or work out. D= ...but hey, at least I got Miles/Phoenix... or Phoenix/Mia. (no, wait... she'd dead!! D= *cry*) .....My gawd.. your dig makes me lol. XDDDDD |
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| Author: | Mitsurugi Reiji [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
I can't see it ever happening. Ever. But yeah, crack. Fran being the dominatrix or something. What you said brings me to my next point, ... Why did Mia have to die?! [*Likes NickMia.*] D: But I still have pairings I like so ... yeah. NickMiles, ftw. I don't care if it's hype. I love it. :3 n__n Glad you like it. I have some crack!art I have to show when I finally get to finishing it. I'msoclose! OBJECTIONTANGO, pw-style. No drawing skillz ftw. |
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| Author: | Morinozuka Takashi [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Besides.. I really don't think Nick is into a relationship where he'd always get hit or whipped... Pretty much doesn't seem into BDSM, I mean. Neither is Gumshoe.. *laugh, rubs back of head* *Dislikes Gumshoe/Franziska, too* You know, I do like Miles/Fran.. but whenever I think that, I feel bad for Nick. Cause Mia's dead and he'd have no one now. D= And as you can see, I wouldn't plan on pairing him up with Maya... I guess I can always pair him up with Larry or something. D= XDDD Dude. I would love you if you helped me make a sig. Think you might take my offer/request when you have time someday? I see other memmbers and they have the nicest sigs.. made by you. =3 BTW... Glad to see you on the forums again.... Mitsurugi-mun~. *wink* *reveals thyself = Naru-mun!!!* ;D |
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| Author: | Mitsurugi Reiji [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Yeah. I cannot see Nick into that sort of thing either. >>; Least not from her. Ew ... NickMaya. I dislike that pairing too. I get the same way! xD; Poor Nick. Left to himself which can't be much fun. You could do that but I'm not sure I could see Larry being into men. Not with all the woman he's dated. Though he could realize that's a flop and switch sides. ftw! Sure thing. Probably won't be for quite some time though. So much going on. School-Work wise. But yeah. I'd love to make you one. <3 zomg! *GASP.* Is this who I think it is~? <33 *CLING.* |
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| Author: | Shadowpower709 [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:12 pm ] |
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| Author: | 1010 [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
SilverZephyr wrote: x *SHOT* Okay, I admit I liked this the first playthrough. And I liked it the first time I saw it in the fandom. And then I saw it in the fandom more. And more. And more. And then I tried to search out pairings I DID like and couldn't find anything but this pairing *twitch* So that brought me down to neutral status with it. And then I played the second game and...I dunno. I just REALLY find this pairing boring. Not to mention overrated. </rant>You are my role model. :D |
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| Author: | Mikker [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
| / : Two charracters I hate.... together. How can it get worse?
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| Author: | Harry Miste [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Mikker wrote: / : Two charracters I hate.... together. How can it get worse?The Blue Badger. Nuff said. |
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| Author: | Yuu-chan [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:21 am ] |
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/ - I don't understand it. I can take crackshots at it but that's about it. / - ........I'm prepared to be flamed. I just don't see it going beyond friendship. /  - Just....NO.
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| Author: | Orcaizer Al [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:58 am ] |
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Mikker wrote: / : Two charracters I hate.... together. How can it get worse?Throw in  Oi. |
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| Author: | polkadot [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:12 am ] |
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Mikker wrote: / : Two charracters I hate.... together. How can it get worse?The truth is, it can't get worse. / I don't get it... / I don't get it, either... Maybe Franzi is not able to have a relationship..? XD
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| Author: | CantFaketheFunk [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
I can think of a LOT worse pairings than Franziska/Adrian :P  / 
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| Author: | Orcaizer Al [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:55 am ] |
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CantFaketheFunk wrote: I can think of a LOT worse pairings than Franziska/Adrian :P / ... Thanks for the eye poison. :/ |
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| Author: | CantFaketheFunk [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:05 am ] |
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Anytime
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| Author: | Wrestler Hatman [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your least favorite PW pairings |
Chinese Infantry wrote: "NO, THERE ARE 72 ORIGINAL EPISODES OF STAR TREK YOU NERD, NOT 73" The Simpsons already did it. (Two South Park references in one post. Can you find them!?) Done and done... so here's the ships I personally dislike... x  - You know what's worse? I actually GET that pairing. Both are in the same situation (which is spoilery even if it is for the first game, so no), but both have different reasons for doing it. I just y'know, don't like it. x anyone - 'cause I don't believe in romance using Matt. And since a relationship is based on trust... note that I don't dislike Mattfic. I just dislike the idea of him being in a relationship that's reciprocated. x - Subtext aside... let's face it, Maya's supposed to be 17-18-19, IIRC, and she just doesn't act like it. If she had bouts of maturity (which she DOES... fortunately) that didn't fall flat when compared to her other scenes, maybe I could think of Phoenix going for her, but the way the game handles it... Phoenix likes her as a friend... and so does Maya, but if one would groom the feelings for a relationship, it would be Maya and not Phoenix.
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| Author: | SilverZephyr [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:51 pm ] |
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Ah, remembered a couple more. MUTUAL x anyone besides himself. BECAUSE WHAT o.0Hmm...I guess EdgeyxMaya. Because, platonically, it is THE CUTEST THING EVER. But romantic...? No. I guess I'm just not one for the whole opposites-attract thing, I mean I can see why people like it, it's just not my thing. Edit: I just remembered the other reason romantic EdgeyxMaya isn't my thing. Cuz Maya acts like a 10 year old or something, therefore it always feels like pedophelia to me x.x And though few things squick me out, I reeeeeally can't see Edgey as a pedophile, so I end up squicked x.x (IS A HYPOCRITE CONSIDERING MAYA IS 18 AND SO IS FRANZY AND EDGEYXFRANZY=OTP...But Franzy acts older than 18 and Maya acts younger, thus the difference). </rant> WHOOPS I DIDN'T MEAN TO RANT SO MUCH ABOUT THAT PAIRING CONSIDERING I DON'T EVEN HATE IT OR ANYTHING. Anyway. Back to least favorite pairings. because it just screams rape.
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| Author: | Dr. Mancusio [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:04 pm ] |
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I'm generally offset by many of them, simply because they're usually random, badly stretched, and never give any sufficent basis; it's as if many of the "followers" (and it's not my wish to try and insult anyone here, this is civil) are simply 'shipping' for the sake of it. / From how much hype and support I heard of it before getting Justice For All, I had thought there was a really emotional moment between the two. Spoiler: PW: JFA Case 4 / - The only, only, only, only thing really linking these two together is that they're both in their sixties.... / - From the story between them, I predicted and groaned in my mind at the expectation of several, several fans picturing and desiring them to get into each other's pants (though not sharing that zealousness myself). It's like reading an orange square as a red rectangle; it wasn't what one may interpret it as, but something of a different, less "colourful" nature, so to speak. It was an awkward friendship so to speak, after-- Spoiler: PW: AA Case 4 |
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| Author: | musouka [ Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:55 pm ] |
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First of all, to get this out of the way "PHOENIX WRIGHT PAIRNGS, SERIOUS BUSINESS LOLOLOL". I "dislike" these couples because I don't believe in them. But that has nothing to do with the people that like these couples. Anyone is free to like or dislike whatever they want for whatever reasons they want. Also, no matter what the couple, I'm always interested in well-crafted IC fanfiction. Just because I don't "like" these couples doesn't mean it's absolutely impossible for them to be done well, and if they are, I'm willing to read and enjoy. / My thoughts always get a little bit muddled when I try to explain why this couple doesn't do anything for me, so please bear with me. I think the Gumshoe and Edgeworth interaction, as it is right now, is cute and funny. When you add romance into that equation, however, it quickly stops being "cute and funny" to me. This is for a variety of reasons. For one thing, there are a lot of issues to a GumEdge relationship that I have never seen throughly addressed. One of the big ones is the fact that Edgeworth is his superior. Stop and think about what that means for a second. It's not just a matter of Edgeworth bossing him around and making him get files, Edgeworth controls his standard of living. Edgeworth controls his salary. This is the butt of many jokes in the game, but, well, it stops being so amusing when Edgeworth is basically in such an unequal position of power that he is condemning someone he supposedly loves romantically to living below the poverty level. There is also the way Edgeworth talks about Gumshoe. I laughed when he got Gumshoe reinstated on the force by telling them he was too dangerous to let back on the streets. But rather like Phoenix's comments on Maya's mental age, that becomes less funny when you think about it in the context of a romantic partnership. Does Edgeworth respect Gumshoe? Does he value his opinion as a person? I think it's obvious that he cares about Gumshoe's well-being and depends upon him as a part of his job but does he ever seem place value in what Gumshoe says like Maggey does in 3-3? I don't mean that to sound harsh. Gumshoe is a valuable subordinate. Edgeworth feels a sense of responsibility towards him, and I strongly believe, appreciates his loyalty. But that is not the same as respecting him as a person or respecting the job he does. Also, would Gumshoe ever challenge Edgeworth? Because, hell, Edgeworth does need to be challenged sometimes. Even Edgeworth v2.0. I just don't think I can ship a couple that is so lopsidedly based on one partner's adoration and the other's...well, appreciation of a few key aspects of the other's character. Gumshoe is probably the character that is the MOST sensitive to Edgeworth's feelings. This is clearly shown by the fact that he wants to go check on Edgeworth when the earthquake hits in 1-4, while Phoenix is all "LOL INVESTIGATION PHASE LET'S GO MAYA". But, what impact does that sensitivity have? Edgeworth and Gumshoe had been working together for a number of years up until that point. Did Gumshoe's caring help Edgeworth with his problems? Did it make him inclined to be a nicer person? Isn't it more likely that Edgeworth just sort of...shoved it aside? Going back to "issues". I mentioned I just can't see GumEdge as entirely cute and fluffy. There are a lot of obstacles in their way. Both men, both coworkers, one is the other's boss, standards of living are completely different... I'm sure there's even more. But, you know, those in and of itself don't make the couple bad. But rather, I have trouble getting a picture in my mind. How does Gumshoe react to all those problems? How do you neutralize those problems so that the couple can continue? I really don't know. I wouldn't know where to begin. I don't blame people for liking it. But due to my tendency to overthink everything, I...can't really buy it as a viable pairing. To really make it work, I think you would have to change the characters too much for me to appreciate it. Part of what I love so much about Gumshoe and Edgeworth is their current interaction. Take that away and I'm not sure how I feel. / I've gone over this a lot of times, in various ways. I've brought up the fact that their day-to-day relationship in the games doesn't become more romantic after the events of 2-4. I've brought up the fact that Phoenix can be rather dismissive of her in a way that makes sense if he views her as a younger sibling or as a close friend, but is offputting if you think about it in romantic terms. To be exact, the way he often inwardly remarks upon her childishness or lack of maturity. What I would like to focus on this time is what the game is actually saying about them as a couple. Many people have picked up on the game remarking about them in a romantic context. Pearl does it. Larry does it. Are the games hinting at something? No, if anything they are addressing and disproving something. Here's why I say that. When you want to portray two characters in a almost-but-not-quite romantic relationship there willb e certain INDICATORS on the part of the writing. SOME of those indicators exist for Maya and Phoenix. The "person closest to me", taken out of context, can be read as romantic. Pearl's insistance upon them being together. BUT! The biggest thing that is missing is from Maya and Phoenix themselves, and that is why I can't buy them as a couple. I'll use what Larry says about them in 1-4 as my example. When he questions Phoenix about their relationship status, Phoenix instantly responds negatively. He is surprised that Larry even brought it up. What important thing does that tell us? Well, it tells us that Phoenix doesn't even see Maya in those terms. The idea of a romantic relationship with Maya is shocking, strange. He's not reacting in a "how did you know?!" way, he's reacting in a "Where did that come from?!" way. So, what about Maya? Maya's reaction here is veeeery interesting. This is where "indicators" come in. We've already established that Phoenix doesn't look at Maya and think "potential romantic partner". If Maya DID feel romantically inclined towards Phoenix, then why does she also go out of her way to clarify that there is nothing between her and Phoenix? If Maya was harboring a crush, it's much more likely for the game to have her get annoyed or hurt over Phoenix's immediate and complete dismissal of the idea. Instead, she laughs it off. It's the same way with all other possible indicators on her part. That's what leads me to believe that far from the game encouraging Phoenix/Maya, it is discouraging it through addressing the idea and having Phoenix and Maya clarify the non romantic status of their relationship in many, many different ways. / This will actually be a quick one. Some have said they view the airport scene as romantic. While I think anyone is within their rights to see it that way, the mere idea that it is supposed to be indicative of romance between the von Karma siblings CREEPS ME OUT. Here is why, in a nutshell. Familial and romantic relationships are different. Yes, this is obvious, but I think it bears repeating. If the scene is taken in a familial context, it is sweet and touching. It shows that both of them understand the other, and that they can communicate with one another on a comfortable level in a way that they struggle with when it comes to the rest of the cast. Taken romantically, it becomes a creepy scene of emotional blackmail in which a man, when faced with the prospect of the woman he love's pain and suffering, CHOOSES TO TURN HIS BACK ON HER AND SAYS "FIND YOUR OWN ANSWER". When you are part of a family, you want to encourage growth. Sometimes that means being harsh and stepping away, knowing that your loved one will understand. But with romance...you support one another. There is no "WE will get through this together" in that scene. There is "I know you have the courage and strength to find your own way". Which is a beautiful message for a brother to give to a sister, but not such a beautiful message for someone that is supposed to be in love with this person. That, to me, is why I can't read that scene as romantic. At all. And the thought of it, unless you are doing something rather dark with the possibility, churns my stomach. |
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