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Just joined the site!

I'm so glad they're other people who support this pairing.
:phoenix: / :edgeworth: seems to get all the attention.
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Welcome Kinvara! :keiko: All of these people are joining, it's great! 8D

As a matter of fact, Phoenix/Maya is the most popular het pairing in the fandom. TV Tropes says so! :D Our pairing may not have the same number of fans as Phoenix/Edgeworth yet (just look at the kink meme!) but there's plenty of fics, art and discussion to go round~ :kissy:

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Welcome to the club, Kinvara!
Hikari wrote:
As a matter of fact, Phoenix/Maya is the most popular het pairing in the fandom. TV Tropes says so!

Oooh, where? (But come on, what's to compete, P/I?)

Well there sure is a glut of fanart about the new game. I can go without the Phoenix/Layton yaoi though
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The DS isn't region-locked, so why would they start region-locking it? That'll just be evil and mean and evil!!


Supposedly the new parts of DSi are region locked and DSi enhanced games are region locked. So online articles speculate the 3DS will be region locked.
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you think Maya's channeling would come into play in the game? Though I think if she did, she might end up being accused of as a witch.


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On the Ship to Ship Combat page. Is it a good thing that we're mentioned on there?

TV Tropes wrote:
Don't get started on Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. There's LOTS of Phoenix/Edgeworth shipping and lots of Phoenix/Maya shipping, both of which are hostile to other ships (Phoenix/Iris for starters) and each other. In fact, yaoi is the main ship, the figurehead being P x E. If you don't ship that or if you don't ship yaoi and instead ship a hetro that isn't P x M, you are totally in for a nightmare of harassment and ridicule. Also beware of Mia/Diego shippers, though most are friendly enough if you don't question the canonicity of their ship.


Maybe this was written last year when things were, ah, militant?

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# Phoenix Wright, my god. Phoenix/Edgeworth is one of the most popular pairings (aided by the creators' tendency to bait their numerous fangirls), but Phoenix/Maya's pretty close. And Franziska/Adrian, for some reason. You get a decent amount of Phoenix/Franziska too (but strangely, very little of Phoenix/Iris, the one canonical relationship the guy's ever had). And that's just scratching the surface here.
* The one almost everyone seems to like, though, is Gumshoe/Maggey. Probably because it's pretty much canon, and pairing the two Butt Monkeys together is cute anyway.
o Don't forget Diego/Mia, which almost everybody, save the Mia/Phoenix or Mia/Lana shippers, likes.


...I seem to remember there being more, but I can't find them right now. Here's the Shipping Tropes page.
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Oooooh my god, I haven't been here in ages!

I'm so annoyed I missed P/M day! I made a sig and everything, then I forgot and had trouble logging on and now I'm so peeved... :sad-maya:
But still! I'll try to be more active here now :edgy:
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Wow!
Spent all night reading this thread
up to page 31! :O
anyways i LOVED the love trial
you guys should so something like that again
I probably suck at roleplaying though so
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I think I arrived on about page 70, so I missed the 'love trial' :( It would have been fun, wish I was there for it.

Also, this random thought went through my head.. "What if someone made a complete index of every Phoenix/Maya fic on the interwebs?"

And then I thought, nah. Too much study. Maybe I'll do it in the holidays...
Still, it's an idea. Would require a lot of trawling through Present Testimony and Objection archive ...
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Yeah, before I actually played the games 50% of the pics I saw for Phoenix Wright was :phoenix: / :edgeworth: stuff. -_-;

Phoenix and Miles are like brothers IMO.

:kissy: appeals a lot more to me. :D

No offense to :edgy:
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Hmm i was wondering.
If maya got murdered
do you think phoenix would defend
the suspect?
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Rather, I'd write a fic where he'd BE the suspect. And then all hell would break loose..

Hmm...I think he'd use his judgment and see whether the suspect really was guilty. If Phoenix thought he wasn't, I think he'd take the case, since Phoenix tends to end up finding the real killer anyway and that would mean he'd get his 'revenge'. I wonder what he'd do if he thought the suspect was actually guilty?
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KSAT~ wrote:
I made a sig and everything, then I forgot and had trouble logging on and now I'm so peeved... :sad-maya:

Use your sig anyway! P/M Day is every day! Oh wait, that's the P/E fans line...

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Hmm i was wondering.
If maya got murdered
do you think phoenix would defend
the suspect?

If Phoenix thought someone else did it, he might defend the suspect as a way of getting to incriminate who he thought was the real murderer in court.
If Phoenix thought the suspect was guilty I don't think he'd take the case.

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Also, this random thought went through my head.. "What if someone made a complete index of every Phoenix/Maya fic on the interwebs?"

And then I thought, nah. Too much study. Maybe I'll do it in the holidays...
Still, it's an idea. Would require a lot of trawling through Present Testimony and Objection archive ...


What a great idea. But 'index' means 'database'. And 'database' means...

Still, yeah and you also index things like fanart sites! (But that's a problem with so much art on Pixiv or DeviantArt.) And have obscure links like fanlistings and Facebook clubs.

I could probably figure out how to do this IF I could motivate myself...

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anyways i LOVED the love trial
you guys should so something like that again

Ah, the 'love trial' these things can't be proven in court! But it inspired me to compile our 'evidence list'. (Being the crazy shippers we are, I bet PWxPL will have something to add to our list! )
I thought On Broken Wings was a vague manifestation of the spirit of the 'love trial'. Sort of.

Come to think of it, Takumi hasn't written P-M for AGES, since GS3, she wasn't in 1-5 either. The only depressing thing is how damn LONG we'll have to wait for this game. Nooooo...

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On the Ship to Ship Combat page. Is it a good thing that we're mentioned on there?

Of course! Controversy is publicity!
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KSAT~ wrote:
Oooooh my god, I haven't been here in ages!

I'm so annoyed I missed P/M day! I made a sig and everything, then I forgot and had trouble logging on and now I'm so peeved... :sad-maya:
But still! I'll try to be more active here now :edgy:

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HoboPhoenix wrote:
Hmm i was wondering.
If maya got murdered
do you think phoenix would defend
the suspect?

I find it painful to imagine Maya being dead. She's such a fun and bubbly character. I've always had this feeling that she would be inspired by Phoenix and be a lawyer just like him. =)
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Yeah...I don't want to imagine her being dead either. Which is why she'd be in a coma, instead.
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I always thought there should be this idea. In the GS4 game, Phoenix was killed off years ago by Kristoph. That there is Maya channelling Phoenix's ghost so he can complete his revenge 'mission'. [That explains her 'absence'.] And s/he wears the hat because Maya can't replicate the hair spikes properly.
Of course all this is a little disturbing. What happens when they channel a man????????? And it happens, Misty[Gregory]. But it would make an interesting P/M fic with 'character death'.

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Also, this random thought went through my head.. "What if someone made a complete index of every Phoenix/Maya fic on the interwebs?"

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What a great idea. But 'index' means 'database'. And 'database' means...

Still, yeah and you also index things like fanart sites! (But that's a problem with so much art on Pixiv or DeviantArt.) And have obscure links like fanlistings and Facebook clubs.

I could probably figure out how to do this IF I could motivate myself...


Hey, so who wants this? And add in the PWKM.
Of course we'd all probably end up too lazy to add all that data. It's a bit like a library catalog, isn't it?
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Hi there everyone :)
I'm new here, just played all the games and found this website, and I really love this pairing :kissy:
I'm kinda looking for any P/M fanfiction, anyone knows some good ones?
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Whinoa wrote:
I'm kinda looking for any P/M fanfiction, anyone knows some good ones?

Welcome to the club! :shoe:
We have this conversation a lot. Yeah, you can read mine. :garyuu: And a lot of our members have great fanfic, like Justis and Hikari and everyone else I can't remember links for.
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icer wrote:
Whinoa wrote:
I'm kinda looking for any P/M fanfiction, anyone knows some good ones?

Welcome to the club! :shoe:
We have this conversation a lot. Yeah, you can read mine. :garyuu: And a lot of our members have great fanfic, like Justis and Hikari and everyone else I can't remember links for.


Thank you :)
I'm off to read some fan fiction now :pearly:
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What happens when they channel a man????????? And it happens, Misty[Gregory].


I don't want to think about that but considering the fact that little Pearl can transform into a fully-developed woman like Mia while channeling.... One would assume that if Maya or Pearl were to channel a man.... it would be the same situation. :spload: :wacky-edgy: :agia-shock:

(I wonder what Phoenix's reaction would be if he saw Maya while channeling a male spirit...)
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CANT LET THREAD GET OFF FRONT PAGE D:
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CANT LET THREAD GET OFF FRONT PAGE D:

That's right. :uramidn:

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icer wrote:
HoboPhoenix wrote:
CANT LET THREAD GET OFF FRONT PAGE D:

That's right. :uramidn:

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aww :3 Its really well drawn too :O
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Kinvara wrote:
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What happens when they channel a man????????? And it happens, Misty[Gregory].


I don't want to think about that but considering the fact that little Pearl can transform into a fully-developed woman like Mia while channeling.... One would assume that if Maya or Pearl were to channel a man.... it would be the same situation. :spload: :wacky-edgy: :agia-shock:

(I wonder what Phoenix's reaction would be if he saw Maya while channeling a male spirit...)



I have seen fanarts of those... they are actually quite hilarious. I wish I could show them to you guys, but I don't know how to put pictures here...
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Hikari wrote:
On the Ship to Ship Combat page. Is it a good thing that we're mentioned on there?

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Don't get started on Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. There's LOTS of Phoenix/Edgeworth shipping and lots of Phoenix/Maya shipping, both of which are hostile to other ships (Phoenix/Iris for starters) and each other. In fact, yaoi is the main ship, the figurehead being P x E. If you don't ship that or if you don't ship yaoi and instead ship a hetro that isn't P x M, you are totally in for a nightmare of harassment and ridicule. Also beware of Mia/Diego shippers, though most are friendly enough if you don't question the canonicity of their ship.

I've never even run into people that fight over shippings in this fandom. WTF are they talking about? Are they over-dramatizing the fact that people who like P/E or P/M don't seem to like P/I? And last time I checked shipping het or mxm was perfectly fine in this fandom. I've been in the Digimon fandom, and that is some ship-to-ship combat.

I have seen the Miego shippers that get all fussy when someone comes in and dares not support their precious OTP, though.
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I've never even run into people that fight over shippings in this fandom. WTF are they talking about? Are they over-dramatizing the fact that people who like P/E or P/M don't seem to like P/I? And last time I checked shipping het or mxm was perfectly fine in this fandom. I've been in the Digimon fandom, and that is some ship-to-ship combat.


It sounds like someone who's just a tad homophobic decided to edit that TV Tropes page.

Honestly, I ship one of the mid-tier "OTPs" for Phoenix that has a decent but by no means a massive degree of support. I've been vocal in expressing my opinions regarding various ships. And I've never had a serious problem with a P/E, P/M, or P/I shipper. The P/E shippers have been pleasant and cordial. The P/M shippers have been pleasant and cordial. I even basically listed P/I as one of my "least favorite ships" and, while I wouldn't pretend P/I shippers were thrilled to hear it, they remained pleasant and cordial.
(And it's not as if I would be thrilled to hear anyone condemn P/F, either, so I can sort of understand where a few of those P/I fans came from.)

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I have seen the Miego shippers that get all fussy when someone comes in and dares not support their precious OTP, though.


I cut the Miego and the Magshoe shippers some slack because their pairings have (by far) the largest degree of canon support.

(I know that may not be something others want to acknowledge, but it's an objective fact that's difficult to wrestle with without casting doubt on the accuracy of the actual script we're presented with. You can argue against it, but you'd have to suggest that characters like Diego or Gumshoe had reason to act openly duplicitous. I know you've specifically made the argument before, but I kind of have sympathy for those who ship borderline-canon pairings, hearing others barge in and tell them their interpretations of straight-up dialogue references are somehow flawed or misguided. With P/E, P/M, P/I, P/F and anyone else you'd pair P with, there's plenty of room for interpretation. With Gumshoe and Maggey, or Mia and Diego, you have to really come up with some awkward justifications and out-there theories as to why they're not couples.)

(At one point or another, I'd almost agree with the Miego and Magshoe shippers, that you should probably just concede that any other pairing for them is essentially a crack pairing justified by your own subjective personal preferences, as opposed to being justified by an objective interpretation of the text. It's totally okay to indulge in such subjective shipping, and if you present sufficient arguments in its favor maybe it even transcends the label of "crack shipping." But you can't seriously argue that objective in-game evidence alone backs Gumshoe with anyone over Maggey, or Diego with anyone over Mia before the :chinami: incident.)


P/M shippers: Sorry for hijacking your topic. :maggy:
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Hmm, I only joined this fandom and this website sometime last year. I've never seen fights between P/M and P/E...in fact, I only saw drama between P/M and P/I shippers, and it was hardly a majority of the members.
Maybe the fighting that TV Tropes mentions was before we all joined, or on a different site..?
I posted those quotes to prove (with Witness Testimony!!) that P/M has the largest fanbase for a hetro pairing ^^; I'm not sure why they think there was a lot of nastiness going on. Again, I only really witnessed tension between P/I shippers and us P/M shippers.

Oh, and I personally think that Miego and Gumshoe/Maggey are pretty much canon. :P

ANYWAY that was OT...here, have a smiley..! :kissy:
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I haven't been a member here for like a week, but I've lurked. A lot. I don't see many fights between those that ship P/M and P/E but those that ship mxm are generally a different type of fan anyway. P/M shippers would probably be closer in opinions to P/I shippers, but because they ship different things I guess it could cause some disagreement.

Oh and Miego is canon. Gumshoe/Maggey borders on being canon, it's pretty much dancing on the line where you can call it canon and you won't get people arguing with you.
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Ummm... Am I allowed to say:

:sick: + :ayame: > :phoenix: :maya:

Because they were actually on a relationship, while P + M are just friends, I doubt there´s any trace of love around, those 2. (Fanart does not count)
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Hi!

Uhm well, I'm new here and I've never actually joined a forum before so I'm not sure what's the best way to introduce myself ehehe. I guess I'll just do what I've been wanting to for a while now a.k.a fangirl over the pairing XD

Well, I played the first AA game about 9 months ago and by the end, there was no doubt that I was now an official Maya/Nick shipper. I wasn't a devoted shipper mind you but I liked the pairing enough to go read a few fics and look for art on deviantart. After that I kinda forgot about the pairing and the franchise until one day, my dad gave me a coupon for gameplanet and I ended up buying JFA. That's when I got hooked to the pairing.

The hints, the teasing, everything. The day after, I bought T&T and, after finishing the first case, I went online and searched for anything I could get my hands on that was Maya/Nick related. I spent a whole night reading fanfics and now I have a folder in my computer with a bazillion pics of them. Then I found the doujins and finally I found Icer's "Phoenix/Maya Canon list" (which I printed out 'cause it's so awesome XD). I think I can safely say that this is now my favorite pairing ever 8'D

So I thought it's about time I joined you guys into the never ending awesomeness that is Phoenix x Maya :will:

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Mike Pitsol wrote:
Ummm... Am I allowed to say:

:sick: + :ayame: > :phoenix: :maya:

Because they were actually on a relationship, while P + M are just friends, I doubt there´s any trace of love around, those 2. (Fanart does not count)


Actually, there's quite a lot of things that hint P and M could come to be more than just friends. Icer did a really well done 'essay' (well, list to be exact) about all of these different hints and how they make Phoenix and Maya being more than just friends seem very possible. You can read it here, if you want http://icer.110mb.com/phoenixxmaya.html :will:
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Mike Pitsol wrote:
Ummm... Am I allowed to say:

:sick: + :ayame: > :phoenix: :maya:

Because they were actually on a relationship, while P + M are just friends, I doubt there´s any trace of love around, those 2. (Fanart does not count)

You're allowed to say that, but going in a P/M shippers topic to do so isn't very considerate. Besides, it's your own interpretation [which is perfectly okay, but you have to remember, we're all seeing different things as we play the game!] and while I'm not going to try and change your interpretation, claiming it as fact isn't too smart. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just trying to give you advice. :]
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Uhm well, I'm new here and I've never actually joined a forum before so I'm not sure what's the best way to introduce myself ehehe. I guess I'll just do what I've been wanting to for a while now a.k.a fangirl over the pairing XD

Welcome to the forums! There's a section of the forum you can go to introduce yourself! It's called "Press Conference". Just post a topic there and everyone will come welcome you :]
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:sick: + :ayame: > :phoenix: :maya:

Because they were actually on a relationship, while P + M are just friends, I doubt there´s any trace of love around, those 2. (Fanart does not count)


Oh, so this is how shipping wars start? And witness - the fabled rivalry between P/M and P/I shippers!

Feenie and Iris were in a relationship. Key word - were. Lawyer!Nick and Iris are not in a relationship, and there is no reason to think that they will enter into one again. Phoenix/Maya shippers would rather stick with the person who was with the Nick we know for three years and not some idiot for six months, the person who Nick ran across a burning bridge for, the person who - right, I'll stop now. *coughs* Sorry, couldn't resist...

But this is no place for a pairing debate. It's the Phoenix/Maya thread, for goodness' sake. Are you trolling us? Saying that Phoenix/Iris is better than Phoenix/Maya in the Phoenix/Maya thread is not really...no. Just don't do it. If you want to express your dislike for P/M, feel free go talk about it in the Hated Pairings or the Pairing Debate threads.
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To be fair, he was talking about college Phoenix and not lawyer Phoenix, and said "were" and not "are".
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Hikari wrote:
Oh, so this is how shipping wars start? And witness - the fabled rivalry between P/M and P/I shippers!


I have a quick and easy solution to diffuse this hostile situation!

:phoenix: :edgy: :maya: :franny: :ayame:

In a fivesome.
...Now, everyone is happy!

Just as in other heated military conflicts in ancient history, the peace treaty is certified via an orgy!
...I don't think this joke will ever get old.
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I like that idea.
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Perseverance wrote:
Hikari wrote:
Oh, so this is how shipping wars start? And witness - the fabled rivalry between P/M and P/I shippers!


I have a quick and easy solution to diffuse this hostile situation!

:phoenix: :edgy: :maya: :franny: :ayame:

In a fivesome.
...Now, everyone is happy!



I agree with you 8'D
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Crys wrote:
So I thought it's about time I joined you guys into the never ending awesomeness that is Phoenix x Maya

Oh yay, welcome to the club!!!!! :shoe: And so many posts today.

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Ummm... Am I allowed to say:

:sick: + :ayame: > :phoenix: :maya:

Because they were actually on a relationship, while P + M are just friends, I doubt there´s any trace of love around, those 2. (Fanart does not count)

No.
Not in this thread, anyway. We only have one rule around here, POSITIVE towards P/M ('fan club'). And since you broke the 'rule' when I've had a really bad day well
Spoiler: hotter than the fires of Hell
As for past P/I, ugh. I'd ship the PLATONIC love over the lies and cowardice any day of the week. P>I from Phoenix's end was sick dysfunction also. Ignore everything she ever says that deviates from his fantasy? Feenie/Love Doll Who Looks Like Iris is a far more gratifying paring and more analogous to poor Phoenix's delusion. And it won't betray his naivety and trust, not really! Ooh, I said it, I feel better now.
(And yes, Iris is NOT a doll. That's the problem from Phoenix's end, apart from his strange fairytale she didn't sign up to either. As for Iris, let's hope she gets psychotherapy or counselling in jail, though I doubt it given that justice system. I can't help thinking P/I fans aren't familiar with the Dysfunctional Doormat IRL though to be fair it's a fantasy universe, but still...:ack: )


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Hmm, I only joined this fandom and this website sometime last year. I've never seen fights between P/M and P/E...in fact, I only saw drama between P/M and P/I shippers, and it was hardly a majority of the members.
Maybe the fighting that TV Tropes mentions was before we all joined, or on a different site..?

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[stuff about people not hating on P/F etc.]

Ah, prepare to open the Can of Worms!

There's always tension between shippers, I assume this happens in every fandom (I can't think of another pairing I've bothered to enter the 'fandom' for though, so I'm not speaking from 'experience'.) I think it's interesting to study this fandom quirk...
Spoiler: I'm not starting a flame war. So use discretion!
P/E<>P/M
I've seen a bit, but not much. Don't know what it was like before P/I/PW3.
There used to be some anti P/M passive-aggressiveness on the Kink Meme. [from a select few P/E fans I assume.] I kept RIGHT AWAY. Just do something productive like write some P/M, yes.
And yes, I've also seen massive TL;DR intellectual essays on how the P/E reading of the game is borderline intentional and we're actually deluded juveniles with the insight and intelligence of Pearl for shipping P/M, but the same essay regarded P/I as so inconsequentially non-canon it didn't even need proper refuting, so hey.

I've seen a few people profess to ship P/M, but then declare it's 'only' as their 'protest' against the 'evils' of P/E yaoi. Oh please. I've seen some P/E fans get really upset over this. It's people own right to like or hate yaoi but hijacking a ship as a platform to do so is just unproductive *mutter*

But no, most of the ire is directed at P/I because well, both camps hate it for similar reasons actually. And you can get on the receiving end of some P/I fan's self-professed 'vendetta' which just fuels the fire. Ahaahaahahaha. It's specific minority types/claims of P/I shippers which other ships' camps seem to have a problem with, not all of them. Not even our accidental poster here.

P/E<>P/I
Ah yes! The Edgey Mafia! And the, um, Iris Mafia. But not many P/I fans actually joined the Iris Mafia.

Also, some NOT all, P/I fans try to claim future P/I is 'canon' or 'canon implied' when it isn't and even that 'people aren't allowed to say it isn't canon'. And that we only don't like Iris or P/I because she 'canonically sank our ships' when a) future P/I is not canon implied b)there are other valid reasons why Iris and P/I are disliked. NO parings are 'canon', (except Ron/Dessie and married people) no Phoenix pairing is borderline canon, but P/M and even P/E are greater canon implied by the canon than future P/I (Especially if you disregard the fact that yaoi will never happen, there's signs they throw a bone to the known fangirls) And I'm quite prepared to back up my statement here, and I've done so. As far as I'm, concerned, this is an intellectual discussion, so if P/I fans' feelings get hurt or something it's not my problem. I showed them the respect by actually putting myself on the line and even daring to cast the shippings as debatable rather than the closed 'I'm right, you're wrong and we won't discuss it.' (Oh and I kind of like online debating, so it's fun and amusing and people actually demanded I do it and how else am I going to properly refine my ideas? SORRY.) If they desperately want to imagine P/I somehow happened great, they're quite welcome to, but deluding it's somehow implied by the actual canon as likely and still further thinking it some kind of crime to say it's not is not on... ah, but I'm only addressing a small minority of P/I fans here!

Here's the reasons I see P/I provokes such ire when people are just going to be default neutral to other ships unless they have a specific reason for hatred: Iris is deliberately written as a broken character, and Phoenix 'saving' her does NOT 'fix' her. (Among other proofs, she goes to jail for the HAPPY END.) Edgeworth is also a broken character, but Phoenix saving him triggers him FIXING himself, within the timeline of the games, and it's rubbed in our faces, and again for the 'happy end' 3-5. If people want to fantasise about Iris being 'fixed' in fanfic they're welcome to it, but the actual canon of the game goes not imply Phoenix and Iris will be 'fixed' in perfect love for their future (or see each other in future, or Iris will even be 'fixed'... you get the picture.) And even Diego gets FIXED within the context of D/M (though not in terms of justice).

The other main reason is people tend to think it's a thoroughly UNsuitiable pairing for Phoenix, and that the canon goes to great and explicit lengths to illustrate these problems in great detail. Other potential pairings are just fairly neutral or positive in terms of portrayal. (the bone they throw to P/F seems comedic, but why not, and as for P/E, well, I'm sure most people agree their FRIENDSHIP is a mutually beneficial dynamic?)

So people throw up barbs to shipping Phoenix with a canonically still-broken character, with no canonic sign she'll be adequately 'fixed' in future and no actual canonic relationship by the 3-5 credits. They're not going to hate so much on the more neutral or positive 'existing relationship of some kind' options unless they have another problem with it.
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Maybe we need a new discussion, I know, maybe our new members ♥ can tell us their favourite P/M or P-M moments! I like the scene in 2-2 where Phoenix insists on defending Maya anyway even though she thinks she's a murderer and the whole Magatama-exchange, and the big NOOx49[?] scene in 3-5. Or maybe someone has a better topic? Ehe. :edgy:
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icer wrote:

Maybe we need a new discussion, I know, maybe our new members ♥ can tell us their favourite P/M or P-M moments! I like the scene in 2-2 where Phoenix insists on defending Maya anyway even though she thinks she's a murderer and the whole Magatama-exchange, and the big NOOx49[?] scene in 3-5. Or maybe someone has a better topic? Ehe. :edgy:


My P/M moment is also the scene where Phoenix wants to defend Maya even though she thinks she's guilty or when Phoenix breaks down for the first time when he thinks Shelly's going to kill Maya...Then there's also the part where he reads the message Maya left for him in Engarde's apartment.... Actually, can I say that every scene with those two is my fav? :edgy:
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Perseverance wrote:
Hikari wrote:
Oh, so this is how shipping wars start? And witness - the fabled rivalry between P/M and P/I shippers!


I have a quick and easy solution to diffuse this hostile situation!

:phoenix: :edgy: :maya: :franny: :ayame:


Someone get that into an image and we´ll all be happy. :hotti:
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Heyy, I found some pics to share with you guys!

http://www.cc9.ne.jp/~magicant/30-17.htm <-- It's in japanese so I can't understand but I think Trucy and Apollo are asking about all the Steel Samurai DVDs and then Phoenix kinda has an inner monologue about Maya or something? Anyways, the style is cute (and the photo at the end d'aww)

Spoiler: Using spoiler to save space
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FFF- I have no idea why the word image keeps appearing under the third picture but oh well :sadshoe:
Anyways, I hope you liked these :will:

EDIT: http://naive.in/noa/en_gs_gallery.html <- another site with M/P pics :gant:
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