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Re: Is Phoenix Actually A Good Lawyer?Topic%20Title
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Lighthaven wrote:
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Some of the things he did that makes me doubt his sanity, or at least his intelligence:
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4) Taking that coffee mug to the face. I'll have to teach him how to DUCK.


And that happened more than once, too! I mean, come on, have some reflexes! :meekins:


Well, it's been said before, you can't deduce how good a lawyer Nick would actually be in the real world. In the Ace Attorney universe where trials last 2 to 3 days and most of the time he gets assigned to a case a day before the trial and going into court with only an autopsy report as evidence to begin with, I think Nick does pretty well.* He doesn't have the time to plan his defence, usually he doesn't really know what's going on (and his clients always keep some things secret too, that if he knew from the start he could plan better) and he acts as a detective as much as a lawyer. That's not an easy task. I guess you can say that he makes it up as he goes along.

Spoiler: * (not really a spoiler)
Not to mention that it's a world where he can come to the point of pointing out the real murderer, explaining the whole case as it happened, finding their motive, having the murderer break down in front of every one and yet a "HA! You might have found me out but where's your proof?" clears that guy from all suspicion while the defendant with much less proof still gets pronounced guilty. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that everyone is treating him unfairly, the prosecutors always put him down even when he has bested them, that b**ch Franziska whips him unconscious and all he does is bring her flowers... That's how it's meant to happen I guess, and we can't do anything about it, I mean even when Mia supposedly helps you (cause sometimes an "Oh, there's clearly a contradiction" isn't that helpful you know, Mia) it's not like you can refuse it or avoid it. It's scripted to happen that way. I actually got pissed sometimes cause I had figured out what was wrong with some testimony and Nick was all "that's rock solid" and he had to run to Mia to tell him where to look. But that's how the writers made him, he's not meant to be the brightest bulb.

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Re: Is Phoenix Actually A Good Lawyer?Topic%20Title
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Lighthaven wrote:
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You know, I've been thinking.... and it takes some sort of talent to come up with some of the solutions he does. Sure, he may get a helping hand, but he has to connect the dots and figure out the case himself. And he always does. He's smart when he needs to be and wise when he needs to be (though how can we resist a panicking lawyer?). So, more or less he's a pretty good lawyer. Not the best, maybe not great, but at least pretty good.

Really, I was under the impression he's just a really lucky bugger. With really OP gear. Magatama, conections to the spirit world, evidence... the prosecution shouldn't even stand a chance.
Some of the things he did that makes me doubt his sanity, or at least his intelligence:
1) Confront Manfred von Karma with a piece of evidence WITHOUT a back up plan. Dude, you knew the guy was capable of telling someone to kill, at least have a gun, or make a copy.
2) Letting Franziska whip him out cold to buy more time. Lol, what are you taking a beating for? You have a desk, HIDE UNDER IT.
3) Letting the snob con-artist whack him over the head with a fire extinguisher. In the defendant's lobby. Before a trial. Wow. You really couldn't hear him, could you Mr. Pheonix Wright?
4) Taking that coffee mug to the face. I'll have to teach him how to DUCK.

And finally...
And most importantly..

PASSING UP ON ADRIAN ANDREWS. OMFG WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?! HOW CAN YOU RESIST ADRIAN ANDREWS?! D:
:adrian-crunch: She's just so adorable!


Well, that's why I mentioned he was intelligent when he neeced to be. Like, when he had to turn the case around or else. I didn't say he had common sense. XD

And yeah, I do think luck also has a factor, but I don't think he's talentless or anything.
Re: Is Phoenix Actually A Good Lawyer?Topic%20Title
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YggdrasilsSword wrote:
Wait, why is it that...
Spoiler: GS4
When von Karma gets caught using forged evidence, he gets a itty bitty mark on his record and is allowed to win the case anyway, but when Phoenix does it, he is disbarred and he automatically loses. (Although, losing and being disbarred probably didn't upset Phoenix as much as a mark on his record upset von Karma.)


Karma was never caught forging evidence, all we know is that he got a penalty on his record - the same way the player receives a "penalty" in court when they present the wrong evidence or have their theory busted up. His little green life bar was shot down! That's not the same as having proven Karma a forger.

Besides, even if he had been caught, he was a veteran with huge influence, and the law is biased in favor of the prosecution anyway.
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I've been wondering this too. Mia pops up to help a lot, and most of the time he bluffs his way through cases until the end. In the AA world, clients are always guilty until proven innocent, not the other way round.
Godot and Tigre say he isnt a good lawyer...

Spoiler 3-3:
Spoiler:
Tigre says he isnt a real defense attorney, he just keeps picking responses til he wins! Ouch.
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Nick and Maya - Friends and Lovers....
Re: Is Phoenix Actually A Good Lawyer?Topic%20Title
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Feenie's a great lawyer! D: Sure, there are times when he needs a nudge in the right direction, but later on that happens less and less
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HEY!

If Phoenix wasn't a good lawyer we wouldn't have the Ace Attorney series now would we?
The Fragrance of Dark Coffee always smells good ;P

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