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I don't think there's anything wrong with the fanshipping and all...
But yeah, we can't put our hopes high that they'll do a real explicit shounen-ai or shoujo-ai...
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jap0911 wrote:
Well...
I don't think there's anything wrong with the fanshipping and all...
But yeah, we can't put our hopes high that they'll do a real explicit shounen-ai or shoujo-ai...
I don't think there's anything wrong with the fanshipping and all...
But yeah, we can't put our hopes high that they'll do a real explicit shounen-ai or shoujo-ai...
You make it sound so dirty when you say explicit. XD
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Of course, none of this will stop me from shipping Phranziska.
Sorry if some of this makes no sense.
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As for evidence as to him being straight, that's pretty undeniable. He blushes and stutters around women, you're right that he had a crush on a girl when he was young, and he was undeniably in love with Ayame. Furthermore, he reacts negatively to Max's "sweeties" and doesn't have a positive reaction when Maya jokes about Gumshoe having strong feelings for him either.
...but I can still see him falling in love with Edgeworth. Because I think the way he feels about Edgeworth goes beyond sexual preference labels. Even if he was in a relationship with Edgeworth, I doubt Phoenix would actually label himself gay or even bi. I don't think it's something he gives much thought to anyway.
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Well, despite what people say about the Chinami case, I thought 3-5 pretty conclusively showed him moving on from that. It might have been very possible he wasn't looking for love during GS1~3, but since a large part of 3-5 was about him finding truth and closure, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do so in the future.
As for evidence as to him being straight, that's pretty undeniable. He blushes and stutters around women, you're right that he had a crush on a girl when he was young, and he was undeniably in love with Ayame. Furthermore, he reacts negatively to Max's "sweeties" and doesn't have a positive reaction when Maya jokes about Gumshoe having strong feelings for him either.
...but I can still see him falling in love with Edgeworth. Because I think the way he feels about Edgeworth goes beyond sexual preference labels. Even if he was in a relationship with Edgeworth, I doubt Phoenix would actually label himself gay or even bi. I don't think it's something he gives much thought to anyway.
As for evidence as to him being straight, that's pretty undeniable. He blushes and stutters around women, you're right that he had a crush on a girl when he was young, and he was undeniably in love with Ayame. Furthermore, he reacts negatively to Max's "sweeties" and doesn't have a positive reaction when Maya jokes about Gumshoe having strong feelings for him either.
...but I can still see him falling in love with Edgeworth. Because I think the way he feels about Edgeworth goes beyond sexual preference labels. Even if he was in a relationship with Edgeworth, I doubt Phoenix would actually label himself gay or even bi. I don't think it's something he gives much thought to anyway.
Well, as shown in GS4, Phoenix hasn't found anyone yet.
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And Phoenix seems like the kind of person who could find love easily if he wanted to.
Can't say I don't agree with you there.
What do you mean about it going beyond sexual preference? If Phoenix falls in love with another man, it's pretty clear cut that he would be homosexual.
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Demonic Defense wrote:
What do you mean about it going beyond sexual preference? If Phoenix falls in love with another man, it's pretty clear cut that he would be homosexual.
Human sexuality can't be broken down into boxes so easily. If Phoenix wasn't attracted to other men in general, then I don't see why he would label himself homosexual regardless of the gender of the person he fell in love with.
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Demonic Defense wrote:
What do you mean about it going beyond sexual preference? If Phoenix falls in love with another man, it's pretty clear cut that he would be homosexual.
No, sexuality isn't that clear-cut. It's not necessarily an either-or thing. It's entirely possible for someone who mostly defines themselves as straight, is primarily attracted to the opposite sex, to end up falling in love with someone of the same gender regardless.
If Phoenix were to fall for Edgeworth, I don't think he'd frame it in terms of "falling in love with another man." It's Edgeworth, as a person, that he would fall for.
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Raelle wrote:
No, sexuality isn't that clear-cut. It's not necessarily an either-or thing. It's entirely possible for someone who mostly defines themselves as straight, is primarily attracted to the opposite sex, to end up falling in love with someone of the same gender regardless.
If Phoenix were to fall for Edgeworth, I don't think he'd frame it in terms of "falling in love with another man." It's Edgeworth, as a person, that he would fall for.
If Phoenix were to fall for Edgeworth, I don't think he'd frame it in terms of "falling in love with another man." It's Edgeworth, as a person, that he would fall for.
Wait, i'm confused here.
A straight male falls in love with another male, and yet the straight male is still straight, or would he be bi/gay?
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Part of the terminology falls down to a personal thing, though. I'm sure lots of others would refer to that as bisexual with a strong preference for women.
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Raelle wrote:
If he's primarily attracted to women, and consistently shows disinterest in other men sexually except for that one case, I'd call him primarily straight.
Part of the terminology falls down to a personal thing, though. I'm sure lots of others would refer to that as bisexual with a strong preference for women.
Part of the terminology falls down to a personal thing, though. I'm sure lots of others would refer to that as bisexual with a strong preference for women.
Well, I should have said I don't really see Phoenix as liking men at all. Any of them. He just doesn't seem like he would to me.
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Demonic Defense wrote:
Well, I should have said I don't really see Phoenix as liking men at all. Any of them. He just doesn't seem like he would to me.
You know, you can't trace a person's sexuality by judging based on their general behavior or personality, no matter what they "seem like".
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Does it really matter in the end? We participate in fandom because we have fun doing it. In the end, pairings are a personal preference. The canon storyline is vague enough and full of material that could be used to support yaoi/yuri or straight pairings. (For instance, Phoenix's... well, obsession really, about Edgeworth in the first game. Or how Phoenix reacts about Maya in case 2-4.) It can be believably extrapolated almost any which way.
Some of us have more fun with the idea of Phoenix and Edgeworth as an item. Or Franziska and Adrian. Or Phoenix and Maya. And so on and so forth. If it's done right, any of these pairings can be very believable and very much in character; and more importantly none of them are more or less "correct" than any of the others.
Variety is the spice of life and all that- and heck, it opens up some very fascinating discussion when fans of different pairings can discuss it without it degenerating into flaming and stuff. (Yeah... veteran of the epic yaoi/anti-yaoi flamewars of the Gundam Wing fandom here
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Raelle wrote:
You know, you can't trace a person's sexuality by judging based on their general behavior or personality, no matter what they "seem like".
It's just my personal opinion.
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(Yeah... veteran of the epic yaoi/anti-yaoi flamewars of the Gundam Wing fandom here )
)Quatre played the flute and wore pink.
There's NO way he was straight.
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Quatre played the flute and wore pink.
There's NO way he was straight.
There's NO way he was straight.
LOL! Like with PW, there was lots of vague stuff so that fans could play almost any of the male characters for yaoi. But my god, the way some of the fans treated eachother just because they thought Duo and Heero were totally having mad sex0rz or no, Heero had to be banging Relena.... geez, it was ridiculous. Hell, somebody kept trying to send my sister and I computer viruses because on a GWing fanfic we were working on we said that we were "non-yaoi, not anti-yaoi". (In other words, the story wasn't yaoi, but we weren't going to harass people who like yaoi.)
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Anyway... The game doesn't make many references to romantic relationships, so basically you can argue ANYTHING if you put your mind to it. We just have to respect each other's opinions.. I don't see Phoenix/Edgey as a plausible pairing but I have nothing against those that do.
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Okay... maybe I'm crazy here. I could really, really, really be misinterpreting this.
But did you just show undeniably that Phoenix is straight, but then say that because there's technically no proof that he's not attracted to Edgeworth, it could still be happen, and is entirely plausible?
Because... I think I missed the logical leap. I've never even heard anecdotal evidence of that. I mean... I could be wrong, but... I dunno...
Could someone summarize it for me?
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MoogleGunner wrote:
But did you just show undeniably that Phoenix is straight, but then say that because there's technically no proof that he's not attracted to Edgeworth, it could still be happen, and is entirely plausible?
Because... I think I missed the logical leap. I've never even heard anecdotal evidence of that. I mean... I could be wrong, but... I dunno...
Could someone summarize it for me?
Because... I think I missed the logical leap. I've never even heard anecdotal evidence of that. I mean... I could be wrong, but... I dunno...
Could someone summarize it for me?
Funk did a good job of answering, but I'll go ahead and try to explain since I was the one that caused the confusion.
Phoenix is sort of weird when it comes to Edgeworth. Edgeworth provokes emotional reactions in him that no one else really does. It's not a particularly large leap to read those reactions as potentially romantic. (I've already made my stance that Phoenix and Edgeworth are not romantically involved during the games pretty clear elsewhere) As Funk said, it's more about Edgeworth being Edgeworth than Edgeworth being a man.
As for plausibility, this might prove helpful. This too.
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Sabra wrote:
Whoa! Is the GW fandom that psychotic? lol
Anyway... The game doesn't make many references to romantic relationships, so basically you can argue ANYTHING if you put your mind to it. We just have to respect each other's opinions.. I don't see Phoenix/Edgey as a plausible pairing but I have nothing against those that do.
Anyway... The game doesn't make many references to romantic relationships, so basically you can argue ANYTHING if you put your mind to it. We just have to respect each other's opinions.. I don't see Phoenix/Edgey as a plausible pairing but I have nothing against those that do.
Well, about ten years ago when it was first getting popular and was all new, yes. Yes it was that psychotic. It's quieted down now though.
And man, some truly fascinating discussion about sexuality in this thread. Not sure I can add anything to it, but geez it's intrigueing!
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I'd probably rate myself a 1 on the scale, but then again, that's just me...
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Sabra wrote:
Whoa! Is the GW fandom that psychotic? lol
I was once apart of that. XD Duo/Heero, Releena/Dorothy, Une/Noin/Sally FTW Biatches!
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musouka wrote:
BTW, as far as the Valentines/White Day skits go, I do think it's kind of hilarious how Phoenix himself defines those moments as the "time he got chocolate/candy from Edgeworth" and not "lol broken heart days". Sort of like how he can give you a running list of all Edgeworth's youthful achievements when you examine the "King of Prosecutors" trophy in Edgeworth's office.
Are these both in AA? Because I certainly don't recall the Valentines bit. Admittedly, it does seem rather funny, but if it's an offhand quote, it brings back the question of whether or not Engard was the first case Phoenix lost.
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It's quite depressing how even if it's "clean" in the game (ie PG-13) it's still considered explicit.
I_R thinks it would help the kids respect diffrence.
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That's as far as I'm going to go for now...
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MoogleGunner wrote:
Are these both in AA? Because I certainly don't recall the Valentines bit. Admittedly, it does seem rather funny, but if it's an offhand quote, it brings back the question of whether or not Engard was the first case Phoenix lost.
I believe it was in one of the fanbooks. Raelle was kind enough to scan me the pages a while back; I don't actually own that one.
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I believe it was in one of the fanbooks. Raelle was kind enough to scan me the pages a while back; I don't actually own that one.
Yup, that's the Naruhodo Gyakuten artbook with all the cute holiday art.
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Cheeseweasel wrote:
developing a more-than-good-friends relationship over a period of a game - or even a trilogy - is hard. Very hard. For sure, you can begin with relationships happening. There are married couples within the games. But to begin with a couple barely knowing eachother and to develop that friendship is nigh-on impossible.
What about Harvest Moon? That has a "Shove-to-Love" relationship.
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I_R_Unorthodox wrote:
It's a sad truth that if they stuck a homo couple in the game, some parents would hire assassins (sp?) and kill off the writing staff.
It's quite depressing how even if it's "clean" in the game (ie PG-13) it's still considered explicit.
I_R thinks it would help the kids respect diffrence.
It's quite depressing how even if it's "clean" in the game (ie PG-13) it's still considered explicit.
I_R thinks it would help the kids respect diffrence.
It's very tiring to hear stuff all the time. x_x
There's way too many things going on with video games at the moment.. like the whole carding and rating uppers. eeesh.
And parents can STFU. My father and I watched Philadelphia together. Need more parents like that. (Though he threatened to somewhat disown me if I personally was gay. :x )
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Speaking as someone who works in the game industry, it's probably beneficial for us that there are no overt gay pairings in games that we want to see localized. Publishers vanish quicker than evidence at a Von Karma trial when they hear the word "risk," and no one wants to be the first to try something like that. Part of the fun of games is being to project yourself onto characters, and let's face it, the average game-buying college male constituency that publishers depend on aren't ready for a game that features "FAGETS LOL."
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- For the Escort missions (where you have a stripper in the car who 'pleasures' a client while you avoid the paparazzi, private investigators and what have you) some of the clients are women up for a little girl on girl action.
- For the Los Carnales Street Race video, the man who tells the player of the races is staring at (and possibly about to get off to) a picture of a half naked man.
Nothing major, but felt like pointing it out.
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RevFirst wrote:
Zizzo wrote:
It's almost assured that they won't have pairings in the PW games, heterosexual or homosexual. I mean, if they did have pairings, it's not unlikely that they would have homosexual relationships hinted or outright mentioned (Street Fighter and Resident Evil lololol), even if heterosexual relationships are a lot more likely (Larry and Kiyance/Jennifer/Amy/Mary Sue).~Zizzo
That's interesting...
I can see The King of Fighters doing this but Street Fighter? Not a chance.
...Given the fanbase there...yeah...I don't know all the orientations...I have a sneaking suspicion about Ash Crimson, but it's not confirmed. Well...maybe I've had suspicions about Shen Woo, Duo Lon, Benimaru [though he's most likely straight], and Lin being bisexual...I know some are confirmed straight like Terry and Blue Mary...Vanessa...I think Seth...K' and Kula... +Cough+ There's a bunch I know are straight...definitely Kyo Kusanagi...ugh...I think my brain just broke...
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