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What was to you, the most far fetched case in the Ace Attorney serie? What I am talking about is moments during a particular case when you were either like "What, how did that work out?" or "No way...it happened like THAT?".

I present to you my top 3:

1.Turnabout Big Top, just for the fact how
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Acro got so lucky during the murder circumstances because of Max's cloak.

2.Bridge to the Turnabout, despite how great this case is, I can't help but think how far fetched
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the spirit channeling procedures were, this was of course more extreme than in Reunion, and Turnabout.

3.Turnabout Succession, For reasons such as
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2-3, for obvious reasons, and...

Spoiler: 3-5
Not only the spirit channeling (it's the only case where it was taken seriously), but also there were many coincidences... about the snowfall, the thunder to the bridge, all this in perfect timing, and the pendulum thing is also... unique, to say the least. Also the earthquake and the locks... It's the best case in the series, but one of the most unrealistic.

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2-2 had one matter that confused me.
Spoiler: 2-2
How does Ini manage to figure out that Morgan is willing to frame Maya? It's not like anyone goes around asking "Hey, I'm gonna murder this person. You in?"


And just for the hell of it, every single case in Apollo Justice.
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Spoiler: 2-2
Morgan and Mimi talking:

Morgan: You study the occult? Well, we here in kurain... Bla bla bla bla yeah my powers sucked so i couldn't be the master, but now Pearl can't be either, even if she's much better than that slut Maya.
Mimi: It's so unfair. Well, I gotta go, bye.

Later, Mimi and Grey:

Grey: Hey, you, stupid-looking girl, you study the occult, don't you?
Mimi: What are you doing here you fuc... I mean, yes, I study the occult.
Grey: Do you happen to know a medium who can channel a negligent bitch who had the nerve to die before admitting her wrongdoing, name Mimi Miney?
Mimi: Channel me... -mi Miney? I mean, what a weird name.
Grey: Whatever. So, do you know a medium?
Mimi: Actually... I gotta go now, we'll talk later.

Later:

Mimi: Oh my God, that jerk doctor wants to channel me, now what to do?
Morgan: But you're alive.
Mimi: Yeah, but he thinks I'm dead. And I don't want him to figure out that I'm alive. He'd ruin my life, that fuckface.
Morgan: Maybe you could just say that you don't know a medium at all?
Mimi: That won't help. I know that man, he'll find a medium anywhere, even without me.
Morgan: How come he even thinks that you're dead?
Mimi: It's a long story, and... promise you won't tell anybody, ok?
Morgan: Ok.
Mimi: Bla bla bla, so I killed 15 people, but I'm not responsible at all, I'm as innocent as a newborn! That doctor is the only guilty one! I want him to die for his crimes! He should burn in hell forever!
Morgan: Well.. I have an idea. 16 isn't that much more than 15, right?
Mimi: Well, right.
Morgan: Now, you want to get rid of that doctor. And I want to get rid of my stupid burger-guzzling fucking whore niece.
Mimi: Yes.
Morgan: How about we get rid of both of them?
Mimi: How?
Morgan: Well, here is my plan...

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Definitely Turnabout Big Top.

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I don't think that pepper on a scarf would make a lion sneeze. Sorry.

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Definitely Turnabout Big Top.

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I don't think that pepper on a scarf would make a lion sneeze. Sorry.


Well, it doesn't sound that implausible..
Other things in the case, however...
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Well it just made the man's neck nice and tasty!

lions love pepper!
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2-3
Hands down
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The guy in the wheelchair tried to murder a 16 year old and acidently murdered her father instead. With a bust. And then he brought it to court with him.

I mean come on.
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Szabu wrote:
Spoiler: 2-2
Later, Mimi and Grey:

Grey: Hey, you, stupid-looking girl, you study the occult, don't you?
Mimi: What are you doing here you fuc... I like mean, like yes, like I like study like the like occult.
Grey: Do you happen to know a medium who can channel a negligent bitch who had the nerve to die before admitting her wrongdoing, name Mimi Miney?
Mimi: Channel me... -mi like Miney? Like I like mean, like what like a like weird like name.
Grey: Whatever. So, do you know a medium?
Mimi: Like actually... like I like gotta like go like now, like we'll like talk like later.


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Oh, and 2-3.

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All the stuff about the bust and the cape. Oh, and considering how stupid Regina is, why didn't Acro just have her clean the blood off and put it back? Then he wouldn't have gotten convicted. In fact, if he gave her the bust, she could've gotten sent to jail instead!

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Cases two and three of Apollo Justice.

Spoiler: Turnabout Succession
What was the problem with the poison stamp and jury system? And the going between the past and present was not actually happening; it was like a computer game thing for the jury.

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TheSteelSamurai wrote:
Spoiler: Turnabout Succession
And the going between the past and present was not actually happening; it was like a computer game thing for the jury.

Oh my god I think I finally figured out what that was. It was kind of like
Spoiler: 4-4 Turnabout
Succession
A DVD on Scene Select, recorded by Phoenix's head-cam.

I think it makes perfect sense, myself.

And 3-5 was pretty far-fetched, but I could excuse that because it was so bloody awesome.
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What was so odd about the second case of AJ?

I think 3-5 has to be the most farfetched.
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1-4, because I got the impression that Von Karma incited Yogi to kill Hammond, so that Phoenix would get him off, so that Edgeworth would confess to killing his father, so that Von Karma could get his "revenge". Ri-ight? :knock-knock:

Not to mention that whole "cross-examine the parrot" bit - that was just surreal! (That was a honest-to-god WTF! moment for sure.)

Compared to that, 2-3 was straightforward.
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Salutation Here wrote:
What was so odd about the second case of AJ?


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First, the bullet getting stuck in the safe is said to be impossible, though I could write that off, since we don't know much about safes and guns in that universe. There's also the impossibility to a car/motorcycle not running just because something is in the pipe.

For me, it was the actions of the doctor. Not him neglecting to make sure she's actually dead, since he was likely just in a panic, but his method of disposing of the body. The car doesn't start, so he steals his neighbord noodle stand? There was likely some noise, and it must have taken a bit of time to get all the bowls out an inside, then put the body in. And it had to have taken a while and looked conspicuous to walk around dragging a noodle stand that late at night, especially since Eldoon is somewhat well-known, and the man pulling it is out later than he usually works and is clearly not him. Not to mention he was pulling it right towards the house of the Kitaki's, whom had just learned of his betrayal and the family the girl he believed he'd killed was going to be marrying into. It would have been so much smarter to wrap her up in something and carry her-she doesn't look that heavy.>_>;

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How on earth has no one yet mentioned the basic premise of 4-3.

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"The victim - a rather large man - was killed with a gun so high-caliber, it could break a grown man's arm. After being killed, the body was carried from the crime scene to the stage.




We think the tiny blind kid did it."


I don't consider the spirit channeling in 3-5 far-fetched because it's already been extremely well-established in the AA universe. It's just something that happens.
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Yeah, 4-3 leapt instantly to mind when I read the thread title.
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The only far fetched part about 4-3 is suspected Machi did it. The rest was pretty normal (AA-universe-wise)
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I'd have to say Case 3-3 deserves a mention.

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The whole 'Let's drag in a witness and recreate the whole scene so it looks like Maggey did it' is pretty far out there.
But I have trouble believing that a thug like El Tigre, of all people, could come up with an audacious plot like that at such short notice.

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Spoiler: 3-3
He had Jean and Viola there too. Maybe one of them thought of the plan.

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I'd have to say Case 3-3 deserves a mention.

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The whole 'Let's drag in a witness and recreate the whole scene so it looks like Maggey did it' is pretty far out there.
But I have trouble believing that a thug like El Tigre, of all people, could come up with an audacious plot like that at such short notice.

That's not really much more out there than 1-4.

Spoiler: 1-4
Yogi acted out the whole "Edgeworth shooting Hammond on the lake" thing so a witness would "see" Edgey doing it.


As far as coming up with the plan:

Spoiler: 3-3
Tigre probably had a back-up plan figured out before he even went to meet Elg, in case he didn't bring the CD or said he wasn't going to pay or something. He did bring a bottle of poison with him.

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2-3 The murder was so far-fetched. No comments.
4-3 The logic sucked, how can a little boy handle a big gun without having his arm dislocated? And the motive was the most far-fetched in the whole series.
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Case 2-3; Big Top.
I thought that case was ridiclous, I mean, seriously.
When I was playing that case I would think I was on to something, and then I would present the evidence, and it turns out the evidence was right, but my theory was completely wrong.

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I disliked how you never actually met Acro until the like, last 5 minutes of the game. So I spent this whole game plotting it out on someone, ( I can't remeber who now ) just to have it be some guy who shows up near the end all "HAY GUYZ YOU CAN'T FIND THE BUST? OH WAIT I BROUGHT IT TO COURT LOLOLOLOL."


I did love Ben and Trilo, omg. Haha, they were too cute to see, but Trilo did bother me during questioning.
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Spoiler: 4-3 (and i guess 2-1)
I believe that everyone knew machi didn't do it... They just couldn't see who else could've done it. Ie. The police are dumb. But we knew that since 2-1 (maggie written by the guy with the broken neck?)



Spoiler: 1-4
HEY! :edgeworth: The parrot was awesome. Cross Examining the parrot was the best part. You use one of Manfred's taunts ("prehaps you would like to cross examine the parrot?") and use it ("Okay") to turn the case around.
Think about it.
You cross examine a parrot in order to beat a prosecutor who hasn't lost in 40 years and pull it off.
EPIC WIN!!!!
Who thinks of a plot device like that!?


Spoiler: 2-3
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:udgy: what? surely "..." isn't all you have to say!
Well, its just that 4-3 can be sorta maybe explained. 2-3 can't. I mean there are no obvious contradicitions with reality, but.... COME ON! Acro!? Harboring murderous intent over a Lion and pepper scraf!? On a 16 year old girl with the intellecual competance of a 10 year old!? And then killing the wrong person!? And to top it all off the murder weapon is a bust of an arrogant magician that the local monkey just happened to fetch.

And the murder method!?
If it had went exactly as planned, it would be paper thin obvious that Acro did it.
No one would plan a murder that complex with no benefit to them. He could of just as easily pushed regina out the window when she came to visit him. Or better yet, kill her and then push her out the window.
And where'd he get the ridiculously heavy box anyway?
Did no one notice it sitting in his room prior to the incident? Why didn't anyone say, "Hey wasn't that box acro's?"
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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I've always found 2-2 to be the least believable because

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Mimi gets her face reconstructed to match Ini's. I mean, really, you would think the hospital staff would be a little more careful about doing something as important as putting a person's face back together. If Mimi had wanted, she could have easily sued them for millions for malpractice. How difficult could it have been to identify one sister from the other? Even if they are related, they still didn't look much alike to me. Also, I've always doubted that Dr. Grey would really think that Mimi was still alive just because Maya couldn't contact her spirit.


The whole premise for that case just seems strange to me, even without the spirit-channeling.
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Err...
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She (Mimi) was the one who said "This is who I am" and showed the driver's photo. It wasn't the hospital staff's fault. Anyway, I had that case figured out the second plastic surgery was mentioned (at the hotti clinic). It is a pretty cliche plot device, after all.

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Spoiler: 2-2
Mimi really wasn't in the position to sue the hospital staff for malpractice, she should be grateful that she wasn't sued after killing 14 (now 15) people.
Also, yeah, Dr. Grey probably would have said "What? You can't channel Mimi? Haha, you fraud!", but hey, they would figure it out immediately, especially with Phoenix being there. Maya would try to channel Ini then, and voilá, everybody knows that Mimi is alive.
And even if Mimi didn't think about it, she saw the possibility of killing Dr Grey, who she blamed and hated. And Mimi wouldn't miss the chance, especially since she wouldn't be accused of anything. So, yeah, killing one man who she hated and ruining the life of another random person (and hurting 2+ more), then getting away without punishment especially with Morgan's encouragement... Mimi wouldn't refuse it.

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You forgot to mention that
Spoiler: 2-2
Mimi was parnoid as hell. Like phoenix said, she lost all ability to make rational judgements. She expected everyone to be trying to figure out if she was really ini. She wanted to protect her secret so badly that it seemed like the only important thing... and therefore she thought everyone was suspicious.
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She'd been better off if she stole a noodle stand.

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Hmm, well you guys (Magnus Orion and Szabu) make valid points...

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I'll concede that Mimi probably killed Dr. Grey out of paranioa, but I still find the entire face reconstruction episode a bit unbelievable. The game does take place in the future, but I still find it difficult to believe that Mimi could have traded places with her sister so seamlessly. Also, just the whole idea of face reconstruction seems a bit out there for me, mainly because there are so many variables to consider, such as bone structure and skin coloration. I don't know. I just personally find the scenario highly implausible.
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Spoiler: 2-2
Well, they are sisters. It's not too much of a stretch to assume that they had similar bone structure, face coloration, etc.

And being Ini ain't that hard. You just gotta make sure that at least half of all your sentences consist of the word 'like'.

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3-5 is still it for me.

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I can't get over the fact that Edgeworth was able to manipulate the court into letting him be a defense attorney with his choice of judge and prosecutor, using his influence as a former prosecutor but without revealing the fact that he is a prosecutor. Wut?

Not to mention that even if Godot was crazy enough not to come up with a better way to prevent murder murder, why didn't Misty plan better? Why didn't she lock herself in a room before summoning Dahlia? Why didn't she have Iris lock her up? Why didn't she hide her staff first? Why did she ever let Pearl out of her sight in the first place?

I don't mind coincidences in cases, like the cloak in 2-3, and the fact that the bridge burned down in 3-5, but people cosnciously making really ridiculous choices that can only be explained by "She was stupid" irks me. Seriously Misty, you were so dumb. :sadshoe:

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3-5 is still it for me.

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I can't get over the fact that Edgeworth was able to manipulate the court into letting him be a defense attorney with his choice of judge and prosecutor, using his influence as a former prosecutor but without revealing the fact that he is a prosecutor. Wut?

Not to mention that even if Godot was crazy enough not to come up with a better way to prevent murder murder, why didn't Misty plan better? Why didn't she lock herself in a room before summoning Dahlia? Why didn't she have Iris lock her up? Why didn't she hide her staff first? Why did she ever let Pearl out of her sight in the first place?

I don't mind coincidences in cases, like the cloak in 2-3, and the fact that the bridge burned down in 3-5, but people cosnciously making really ridiculous choices that can only be explained by "She was stupid" irks me. Seriously Misty, you were so dumb. :sadshoe:

Spoiler: 3-5
My thoughts regarding Misty's not-altogether-bright actions are that possibly she assumed she'd be able to control Dahlia? In 2-2 it's implied that a sufficiently strong spirit medium can control a violent spirit and keep it from causing any damage. How this works out with the whole "spirit medium is completely inexistent while channeling" thing I don't know at all, but it is implied. (...By Morgan, though... hm.)
Anyway, as Master, Misty would probably qualify as a "sufficiently strong medium"--which may have been what Godot meant when he said, "As Master of Kurain, Misty Fey's power was supreme." So, assuming she'd be strong enough to keep Dahlia from causing any harm, Misty neglected to lock herself up... :sadshoe: Still not brilliant, but a bit better, perhaps?

This is just occurring to me now, but she could have also been running out of time to lock herself up. We know she was out looking for Pearl around 9:15, and that she absolutely had to channel Dahlia before the ten o' clock bell rang to guarantee that she would do no damage. If Misty searched until 9:55, say, she wouldn't have time to do much of anything before safely channeling Dahlia.

The staff is an interesting question because what I find even less likely is that Dahlia picked it up. :yuusaku: What, did she go, "Oh, I could whack her with this, fun stuff!"--and for that risk carrying around something that Iris certainly wouldn't have? In my headcanon, Misty isn't strong enough to control Dahlia completely, but does manage to "influence" her just to bring the staff--providing Godot with a weapon with which to take her down, essentially. :sadshoe: This would explain why she showed the sword to Godot in the first place...

As for why she didn't just keep an eye on Pearl... D: I've got nothing other than, Pearl really did seem absolutely enthralled by her. So Misty made an assumption that Pearl would definitely come to her room. Her assumption was wrong. (So, I suppose I'm not really getting around the "She was stupid" excuse on this one. Sorry. :sadshoe:)

So now that I've proven sufficiently that I think about that case waaaaay too much...


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I don't understand why Mimi was so panicked in the first place. Daughter of the Master though she is, Maya's still in training and still fairly inexperienced as a spirit medium. When she wouldn't be able to channel Mimi, it could have easily been chalked up to her inexperience. Phoenix--and the player--may not have even found it that odd, since the last time we saw Maya, she couldn't even channel the spirit she knew best, her sister's.
Not trying to say that Maya's a pathetic medium, just that they could have used this explanation rather than, you know, murder and everything.

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Magnus Orion wrote:
Err...
Spoiler: 2-2
She (Mimi) was the one who said "This is who I am" and showed the driver's photo. It wasn't the hospital staff's fault. Anyway, I had that case figured out the second plastic surgery was mentioned (at the hotti clinic). It is a pretty cliche plot device, after all.


Yeah, what he said. To the word. Especially the last two sentences. It helps that one of my favourite manga has the same basic premise. (Sort of.)

They're all pretty absurd in many ways, but I think 2-1 has the most annoying bit of strangeness.
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Where the heck was Maggey while Wellington was killing Dustin? Sure her testimony wouldn't have counted for much, as the suspect and all, but it would have been something the police would have at least considered if she'd have bothered to mention it.

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Cases two and three of Apollo Justice.

Spoiler: Turnabout Succession
What was the problem with the poison stamp and jury system? And the going between the past and present was not actually happening; it was like a computer game thing for the jury.


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I can see the poison stamp delivery happening, but it felt unreal to me, although still a deadly weapon. Someone else pointed out that going to the past and present with Phoenix was all because of his head smiley camera, which sounds very rational. So I will let that one slip. About the Jury System, I just felt that it was odd when Phoenix addressed the player, and not an actual fiction jury, to determine the verdict onto the suspect Kristoph.


I see that others have pointed out in even better details as to why Turnabout Big Top is so full of coincidences, strange motives and bizarre events. Now I remember how wacko this case is. But still, I do not dislike it.
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I don't understand why Mimi was so panicked in the first place. Daughter of the Master though she is, Maya's still in training and still fairly inexperienced as a spirit medium. When she wouldn't be able to channel Mimi, it could have easily been chalked up to her inexperience. Phoenix--and the player--may not have even found it that odd, since the last time we saw Maya, she couldn't even channel the spirit she knew best, her sister's.
Not trying to say that Maya's a pathetic medium, just that they could have used this explanation rather than, you know, murder and everything.

Spoiler: 2-2
Somehow I don't see Dr. Grey being the type to just say "Oh well, you tried your best" if the channeling failed. He'd probably demand Maya try again or call for a "more competant" medium or something.

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I see that others have pointed out in even better details as to why Turnabout Big Top is so full of coincidences, strange motives and bizarre events. Now I remember how wacko this case is. But still, I do not dislike it.


Well, it DID happen in a circus where everyone's insane and/or dumb as a post, so that explains the strange motives...helps with the bizarre events, too...when there's a bunch of crazies around strange stuff's bound to happen more than usual. The insane number of coincidences that had to pile up to allow for the case to happen like it did, on the other hand...Weeeeell, I suppose that coincidences do occasionally need to pile up like that once in a blue moon.
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About the Jury System, I just felt that it was odd when Phoenix addressed the player, and not an actual fiction jury, to determine the verdict onto the suspect Kristoph.

*GASP*! KATANA DEFENDING AJ???

I actually don't think he was addressing the player. He was speaking in your direction, and I think technically, during that whole time, people have said that you're playing as the jury members, perhaps specifically Lamiroir.

Just so we're clear on this, Klavier STILL ruins the game.
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Phoenix talked to the jury, and since you saw the events from Thalassa's POV, basically, he was talking to you. I see nothing wrong with it.
However, I hope that in GS5 we won't be playing as jurists and pick a verdict. The "bad ending" of AJ was pointless anyway. It wasn't really sad anyway.



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I don't understand why Mimi was so panicked in the first place. Daughter of the Master though she is, Maya's still in training and still fairly inexperienced as a spirit medium. When she wouldn't be able to channel Mimi, it could have easily been chalked up to her inexperience. Phoenix--and the player--may not have even found it that odd, since the last time we saw Maya, she couldn't even channel the spirit she knew best, her sister's.
Not trying to say that Maya's a pathetic medium, just that they could have used this explanation rather than, you know, murder and everything.

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Somehow I don't see Dr. Grey being the type to just say "Oh well, you tried your best" if the channeling failed. He'd probably demand Maya try again or call for a "more competant" medium or something.

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3-5 is still it for me.

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I can't get over the fact that Edgeworth was able to manipulate the court into letting him be a defense attorney with his choice of judge and prosecutor, using his influence as a former prosecutor but without revealing the fact that he is a prosecutor. Wut?


Spoiler: 3-5
I guess since Don Tigre and his paper badge were enough to fool a judge and his court (and the newspaper... and even the defendant?), they didn't feel the need to try too hard making Miles step into Phoenix's shoes.

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I still don't understand 3-3, how

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lucky they were that they got a somewhat senile old man like Victor Kudo. I mean, any normal person could have seen that the person who they saw sprinkle something in the cup was not the same lady in the defendant's chair. And that the person they watched die didn't look like the person in the victim's picture...

Oh, and the whole 'fooled an entire courtroom with a paper badge' thing. Though I loved Edgey's snippy remark about it in 3-5.


Oh, and may I humbly remind everyone to please, please use the spoiler tag when talking about GS4?
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