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As the title asks, what sentence(death, lifetime in prison, etc...) did each killer recieve afterwards? I'm someone that doesn't believe that every killer got the death sentence BTW. Also, if someone has multiple charges, I'm considering that they add up to a bigger sentence.

Sentence me if this was made before.[/lamepun]

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Sahwit: Lifetime in jail. I don't see death since I think he got a defense attorney that atleast toned down his charge from murder to manslaughter.
Redd White: If in his later trial, Mia's evidence gathered against him was used, he should have recieved the death sentence.
Dee Vasquez: Got away for murder, because of self defense, but I can see that her murder charge should have made the police investigate her ties with the mob. So she got a few years in jail.
Yanni Yogi: Death. He killed, and it was proven that he infact called Hammond just to kill him(even if under Von Karma's orders)
Von Karma: Death. Not only for murder, but for planning the murder of Robert Hammond.
Damon Gant: Death. For murdering Neil Marshall and Bruce Goodman. plus, adding charges of blackmailing and tampering with evidence, I pity his defense attorney.
Richard Wellington: Jail. Maybe not lifetime, since his murder wasn't premeditated and don't forget his connection with the con artist group.
Mimi Miney: Death? For murdering Turner Grey and killing those 15 patients.
Acro: Prison.
Matt Enguarde: Death penalty. He hired an assassin. To me, that's even worse then killing someone.
Dahlia Hawthorne: As we know death, for murdering Doug Swallow, poisoning Diego Armando, killing Valerie Hawthorne and conspiring in her own kidnapping. About the last two, I'm sure that the prosecution managed to prove her guilt in those prior cases.
Luke Atmey: Death. Blackmailing, theft and murder.
Tigre: Also death. Murder, witness tampering and obstruction of justice.
Godot: I doubt the death penalty, because his murder wasn't exactly "premeditated".


Whew, that's all.
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Nice topic. Here's my rebuttal to some of your points.

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Sahwit: Lifetime in jail. I don't see death since I think he got a defense attorney that at least toned down his charge from murder to manslaughter.


I think it's second degree murder while attempting to commit burglary. I don't think a Lifetime in prison is necessarilly in the cards for him. On the other hand, he's still probably going to spend over twenty years in prison as a result of his crime. Even worse, potentially, for trying to frame up Larry.

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Redd White: If in his later trial, Mia's evidence gathered against him was used, he should have recieved the death sentence.


Redd confessed to his crime. I'm fairly sure that life imprisonment is in the cards but a Death Sentence is not.

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Dee Vasquez: Got away for murder, because of self defense, but I can see that her murder charge should have made the police investigate her ties with the mob. So she got a few years in jail.


I think it's likely she got off Scott free.

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Yanni Yogi: Death. He killed, and it was proven that he infact called Hammond just to kill him(even if under Von Karma's orders)


I think it's more likely life again. Yanni confessed to his crime and is not contesting it. Also, extenuating circumstances.

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Von Karma: Death. Not only for murder, but for planning the murder of Robert Hammond.


I think so, especially given the grossness of his crime.

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Damon Gant: Death. For murdering Neil Marshall and Bruce Goodman. plus, adding charges of blackmailing and tampering with evidence, I pity his defense attorney.


Damon Gant is a copkiller, twice over. Given they went for death with Lana for half of it, I'm certain he's dead. He wouldn't survive long in prison either.

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Richard Wellington: Jail. Maybe not lifetime, since his murder wasn't premeditated and don't forget his connection with the con artist group.


Richard is a copkiller, so death or life imprisonment.

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Mimi Miney: Death? For murdering Turner Grey and killing those 15 patients.


Life imprisonment or death. I think.

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Acro: Prison.


Agreed. I think 10 to 15 years. Probably low security.

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Matt Enguarde: Death penalty. He hired an assassin. To me, that's even worse then killing someone.


He also confessed. But hiring an assassin is the same as murder in the law, not worse. Life imprisonment.

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Dahlia Hawthorne: As we know death, for murdering Doug Swallow, poisoning Diego Armando, killing Valerie Hawthorne and conspiring in her own kidnapping. About the last two, I'm sure that the prosecution managed to prove her guilt in those prior cases.


Yeah, multiple murder does it.

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Luke Atmey: Death. Blackmailing, theft and murder.


Probably life for a single murder.

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Tigre: Also death. Murder, witness tampering and obstruction of justice.


Life or Death, definitely.

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Godot: I doubt the death penalty, because his murder wasn't exactly "premeditated".


Acquittal for all murder charges, given the circumstances.

Evidence tampering and so on will probably get him a few months in jail.[/quote]

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Charles Phipps wrote:
Nice topic. Here's my rebuttal to some of your points.

Spoiler: All PW games
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Sahwit: Lifetime in jail. I don't see death since I think he got a defense attorney that at least toned down his charge from murder to manslaughter.


I think it's second degree murder while attempting to commit burglary. I don't think a Lifetime in prison is necessarilly in the cards for him. On the other hand, he's still probably going to spend over twenty years in prison as a result of his crime. Even worse, potentially, for trying to frame up Larry.

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Redd White: If in his later trial, Mia's evidence gathered against him was used, he should have recieved the death sentence.


Redd confessed to his crime. I'm fairly sure that life imprisonment is in the cards but a Death Sentence is not.

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Dee Vasquez: Got away for murder, because of self defense, but I can see that her murder charge should have made the police investigate her ties with the mob. So she got a few years in jail.


I think it's likely she got off Scott free.

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Yanni Yogi: Death. He killed, and it was proven that he infact called Hammond just to kill him(even if under Von Karma's orders)


I think it's more likely life again. Yanni confessed to his crime and is not contesting it. Also, extenuating circumstances.

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Von Karma: Death. Not only for murder, but for planning the murder of Robert Hammond.


I think so, especially given the grossness of his crime.

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Damon Gant: Death. For murdering Neil Marshall and Bruce Goodman. plus, adding charges of blackmailing and tampering with evidence, I pity his defense attorney.


Damon Gant is a copkiller, twice over. Given they went for death with Lana for half of it, I'm certain he's dead. He wouldn't survive long in prison either.

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Richard Wellington: Jail. Maybe not lifetime, since his murder wasn't premeditated and don't forget his connection with the con artist group.


Richard is a copkiller, so death or life imprisonment.

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Mimi Miney: Death? For murdering Turner Grey and killing those 15 patients.


Life imprisonment or death. I think.

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Acro: Prison.


Agreed. I think 10 to 15 years. Probably low security.

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Matt Enguarde: Death penalty. He hired an assassin. To me, that's even worse then killing someone.


He also confessed. But hiring an assassin is the same as murder in the law, not worse. Life imprisonment.

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Dahlia Hawthorne: As we know death, for murdering Doug Swallow, poisoning Diego Armando, killing Valerie Hawthorne and conspiring in her own kidnapping. About the last two, I'm sure that the prosecution managed to prove her guilt in those prior cases.


Yeah, multiple murder does it.

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Luke Atmey: Death. Blackmailing, theft and murder.


Probably life for a single murder.

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Tigre: Also death. Murder, witness tampering and obstruction of justice.


Life or Death, definitely.

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Godot: I doubt the death penalty, because his murder wasn't exactly "premeditated".


Acquittal for all murder charges, given the circumstances.

Evidence tampering and so on will probably get him a few months in jail.
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Whoa, I totally forgot about the whole "copkilling" thing.

But one thing bothered me:
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He also confessed.

When did Matt Enguarde confess? I just remember that you plead guilty.

Plus, don't you think they could tie him to Celeste's suicide?

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There's spoilers in the topic title so we don't have to spoiler tag stuff

Anyways, I'm pretty sure everyone gets death, barring extrenuating circumstances, as in 3-2 the Judge says murder is a capital crime with a capital punishment

Ones who I think might not have gotten death
Dee Vasquez(self defense)
Matt Engarde(technically didn't kill anyone)
Furio Tigre(he was basically making sure he didn't die by killing Elg)
Godot(killing to save someone else)
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Charles Phipps wrote:
Nice topic. Here's my rebuttal to some of your points.

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Sahwit: Lifetime in jail. I don't see death since I think he got a defense attorney that at least toned down his charge from murder to manslaughter.


I think it's second degree murder while attempting to commit burglary. I don't think a Lifetime in prison is necessarilly in the cards for him. On the other hand, he's still probably going to spend over twenty years in prison as a result of his crime. Even worse, potentially, for trying to frame up Larry.
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Isn't that capital murder, for murder while committing a capital crime (burglary)? But same points.

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et91 wrote:
Furio Tigre(he was basically making sure he didn't die by killing Elg)


The keyword in a self-defence defence is 'reasonable force'. Killing a hitman who's coming to cap you would count. Poisoning a third party to get money to pay off someone who may kill you in the future would not.

Dude committed a cold-blooded murder in support of a theft, to attain something to be sold on the black market, to allow others to commit terrorism. He got the spike.
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Were I the one determining the sentences...

Note: these all fairly closely follow the Federal Sentencing Guidelines.
Spoiler: all cases
Frank Sahwit: Voluntary manslaughter, theft (probably several counts), perjury; 10 years; $200,000
Redd White: First-degree murder, perjury, obstruction of justice, blackmail; life; $500,000
Dee Vasquez: Justified self-defense, perjury, obstruction of justice; 3 years; $40,000
Yanni Yogi: First-degree murder, perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $250,000
Manfred von Karma: Second-degree murder, first-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury; death; $750,000
Damon Gant: Second-degree murder (two counts, both with official victims), obstruction of justice (two counts), perjury; death; $1,000,000
Richard Wellington: Voluntary manslaughter (official victim), obstruction of justice, perjury; 30 years; $200,000
Mimi Miney: First-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury, involuntary manslaughter (15 counts); life; $250,000
Ken Dingling: Voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy to commit murder; 15 years; $150,000
Matt Engarde: First-degree murder; life; $250,000
Shelly de Killer: First-degree murder (way too many counts), perjury; death; $1,000,000
Dahlia Hawthorne: First-degree murder (official victim), second-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (two counts), theft; death; $500,000
Luke Atmey: First-degree murder, blackmail, theft (five counts), perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $250,000
Furio Tigre: Second-degree murder, blackmail, theft, perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $200,000
Diego Armando: Voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice; 12 years; $100,000
Kristoph Gavin: First-degree murder (two counts), perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (two counts); death; $800,000
Alita Tiala: Voluntary manslaughter, perjury; 8 years; $90,000
Daryan Crescend: Voluntary manslaughter (official victim), perjury, obstruction of justice, aggravated assault, smuggling; life; $250,000

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et91 wrote:
Furio Tigre(he was basically making sure he didn't die by killing Elg)


The keyword in a self-defence defence is 'reasonable force'. Killing a hitman who's coming to cap you would count. Poisoning a third party to get money to pay off someone who may kill you in the future would not.

Dude committed a cold-blooded murder in support of a theft, to attain something to be sold on the black market, to allow others to commit terrorism. He got the spike.


It was either that or he dies. I think the court would understand that part. Life for sure, but not death
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It was either that or he dies. I think the court would understand that part.


Again, no.

Even if the court entertained the idea that that might be a mitigating factor, it wouldn't hold up in light of the rest of the facts of the murder and Tigre's character:

He murdered an unconnected third party, not the person who was going to kill him.
The murder was committed as part of a theft.
The theft of a computer virus, which was sold on the black market, resulting in completely predictable (and, in fact, threatened) chaos.
He is a loan shark, a blackmailer, and a mobster.

If he'd killed Bruto Cadaverini, or the hit-man Cadaverini sent after him, THEN 'if I hadn't done it, I'd have been killed myself' would be a valid mitigating factor. Glen Elg was no threat to him - and in fact, was already a victim of Tigre's crimes, even before he was killed.
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With the exception of Dee and Godot (due to self-defence/defence of others issues), everyone else is gonna have a noose around their neck at somepoint in their future (Acro might get lethal injection/electic chair though, as he's disabled).

Not sure about the AJ villains though (except Kristoph, who is a dead cert for execution).
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I don't think Acro'd get a death sentence, seeing as he really IS disabled/had somewhat of a decent motive (ya ya murder is never cool I know). Life at most.
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et91 wrote:
Furio Tigre(he was basically making sure he didn't die by killing Elg)


There is a criminal defense for that, called Duress. Basically, if the defendant is threatened to do an unlawful act, and that is proven, then he can escape capital punishment. Thing is, there are a few requirements:

1 - Threat must be of serious bodily harm or death
2 - Harm threatened must be greater than the harm caused by the crime
3 - Threat must be immediate and inescapable
4 - The defendant must have become involved in the situation through no fault of his or her own

As you can see, he fails to fill the second and third requirement: his crime was just as great as his probable punishment(or maybe even greater) and the threat wasn't immediate(he had until December to pay, remember?) or inescapable(all he had to do was pay, and we KNOW he had money to do so).

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Frankly, I don't give death penalties. In my opinion, death penalties are like an escape to the killer. I think it's almost a gift for them to make them die *I see it like '' HA! Bye, suckers!''* Oh well...my opinion :phoenix:

Sahwit: 35 years with a giant statue of The Thinker in the middle of his room saying each hour '' I think...that you suck...'' loudly, so he doesn't get much sleep :karma:
Redd White: Lifetime, after another court for his huge blackmail. Guards give him one punch a day.
Dee Vasquez: 5 years of jail, for justified self-defense, but a murder is a murder.
Yanni Yogi: Prison for the rest of his life, since he his old. Only eats noodles for the rest of his sentence.
Von Karma: Rest of life too, with a speaker repeating Phoenix's Objection over and over to remind him his ''imperfectness''
Damon Gant: Lifetime, with a screen displaying non-stop his own stare to make him know how he's disturbing when he does that.
Richard Wellington: At least 40 years of prison because of police casualty, eats bananas for all the sentence to remind him to not lose his glasses.
Mimi Miney: 45 years, due to the big accident killing 15 patients, with a little red car toy.
Acro: 20 years. Co-habits with a monkey that steals his food.
Matt Enguarde: Lifetime, with a radio broadcasting De Killer's voice in his jail. Plus, a locked opening on the floor to make him imagine Shelly coming for him from it. :edgy:
Dahlia Hawthorne: Well...she already has the biggest sentence anyone can get...eternal pathetism *shame...she was beautiful...oh well...Iris is there ;D*
Tigre: Lifetime and a tiger plush in his jail, to f***ing calm him down.
Godot: 25 years. With tea drink only with his meals *OMG!!*

It can happen that my list isn't balanced between the sentences, oh well, guess I tried :bellboy:
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Dee Vasquez: 5 years of jail, for justified self-defense, but a murder is a murder.


I thought the point of justified self defense was that the defendent ends up free, since he didn't actually "murder" someone. :snap:
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Dee Vasquez: 5 years of jail, for justified self-defense, but a murder is a murder.


I thought the point of justified self defense was that the defendent ends up free, since he didn't actually "murder" someone. :snap:


Hmm...well said :grossburg: . Thinking about it, defending ourselves is only part of nature... I'm pretty sure a lot of people would have done the same thing, or similar. I don't think someone would let him/herself get killed, unless you're pretty darn suicidal. :nick:

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Dee Vasquez: 5 years of jail, for justified self-defense, but a murder is a murder.


I thought the point of justified self defense was that the defendent ends up free, since he didn't actually "murder" someone. :snap:


Hmm...well said :grossburg: . Thinking about it, defending ourselves is only part of nature... I'm pretty sure a lot of people would have done the same thing, or similar. I don't think someone would let him/herself get killed, unless you're pretty darn suicidal. :nick:

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Well, lot's of people confuse the term "murder" with killing. Murder is only when the person is aware of the crime(mens rea), has a personal motive to do it and actually does it. For example, Dee Vasquez was not aware of her action(that pushing hime aside could murder Jack Hammer) and she was overpowered(Jack Hammer had a weapon, she didn't).

So it qualifies as self defense.
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However, she did commit perjury and frame Will Powers, so she'd certainly be imprisoned and fined for that.
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Uhh... what?
Anyway, honestly, about half the killers are going to get the death penalty due to their crimes.

If there was no death penalty:

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Sahwit- Life (should be death, but only as it's a capital crime)
Redd- Life (should be death)
Yanni- Life
Gant- Life (should be death)
Mimi- 99 years/Life
Acro- 30 years (voluntary manslaughter and conspiracy, NOT second-degree murder)
Matt- Life
Shelly- Life if they ever catch him (should be death)
Wellington- Life (should be death, as it's official victim)
Dahlia- Confirmed Death
Atmey- Life (should be death)
Tigre- Life (should be life; UNPREMEDITATED MURDER, but still w/ mens rea)
Godot- 30 years (voluntary manslaughter) or 1-3? (self-defense, but I think he should be penalized for failing to alert authorities to conspiracy [Morgan's Plot]. I don't think that's a federal crime exactly. But, they might not even say it's self-defense or VM, meaning 2nd-degree murder, 60 years???)
Kristoph- Life (Should be death. Wah)
Alita- 60 years (Vol. manslaughter. They could use the "self-defense" but minimized, as he did try to kill her)
Daryan- Life (should be death, even though 2nd-degree? because it's official victim)

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From another thread:

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OK GUYS. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS DEBATE AGAIN, SO LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR:

EVERY CRIMINAL IN THE GS SERIES GETS THE DEATH PENALTY, UNLESS THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE IN THE CASE OF ACRO AND DEE.

Examples:

Manfred von Karma: Technically killed only one person. ONE. That's on par with all other normal criminals in the series.


Joe Darke got the death penalty for killing a lot of people.

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Dahlia Hawthorne, in the eyes of the court, only killed one person before she was executed.



And furthermore, IT'S NOT EMBELLISHING SOMETHING WHEN YOU ESCAPE DEATH THREE TIMES. I don't understand why you guys don't believe that she's telling the truth.

Hell, even Phoenix talks about how he fights for his clients because it's their lives on the line. Why else would he say that if they weren't going to get the death penalty?

Really guys, they do get it. I don't know how much clearer I have to put it. :yuusaku:


Topic Over, yes?
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Not a killer, but if Ron DeLite had been found guilty of theft, he would have gotten, I'd think... 20-35 years?

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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
OK GUYS. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS DEBATE AGAIN, SO LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR:

EVERY CRIMINAL IN THE GS SERIES GETS THE DEATH PENALTY, UNLESS THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE IN THE CASE OF ACRO AND DEE.

Examples:

Manfred von Karma: Technically killed only one person. ONE. That's on par with all other normal criminals in the series.


Joe Darke got the death penalty for killing a lot of people.

Spoiler: GS3
Dahlia Hawthorne, in the eyes of the court, only killed one person before she was executed.



And furthermore, IT'S NOT EMBELLISHING SOMETHING WHEN YOU ESCAPE DEATH THREE TIMES. I don't understand why you guys don't believe that she's telling the truth.

Hell, even Phoenix talks about how he fights for his clients because it's their lives on the line. Why else would he say that if they weren't going to get the death penalty?

Really guys, they do get it. I don't know how much clearer I have to put it. :yuusaku:


Topic Over, yes?


No, since we're trying to put these sentences to real life. You see, in the PW world, there is no difference between murder and manslaughter for example.

No need to rain on our parade.

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Life sentence for voluntary manslaughter and burglary?
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If I use the Japanese court of law, most of these cases will end up with the death penalty or life imprisonment. But I'll use the Australian court of law here. Note that the bail comes after a set period in gaol/jail.

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Frank Sahwit - First degree of manslaughter with intentional bodily harm, first degree of robbery, first degree of breaking and enter, first degree of fraud, perjury. Most likely a 25 year sentence with applied bail after at least 15 years. Cost probably $200000.

Redd White - First degree of murder, first degree of blackmail, second degree in obstruction of justice, first degree of illegal use of evidence, possibly perjury. Most likely a 50 year sentence with applied bail after 35 years of prison. Cost most likely be $500000.

Dee Vasquez - accidental killing or killing in self-defence. Most likely be acquitted of all charges.

Yanni Yogi - first degree of murder. Most likely a 28 year sentence with bail applicable after 18 years. Cost most likely be $225000

Mannfred von Karma - first degree of murder, accomplice of murder, first degree in obstruction of justice, use of forged evidence, perjury. Most likely life imprisonment due to his obstruction of justice and himself being a prosecutor, no bail allowed

Lana Skye - first degree in obstruction of justice, accomplice of murder. Most likely a 12 year sentence with bail applicable after 3 years. Cost probably $150000

Damon Gant - 2 first degrees of murder (one a civilian, the other a police officer), first degree in obstruction of justice, illegal handling of evidence, perjury (in the Australian court of law, you must testify if specifically asked. You cannot use the right of silence to not implicate yourself.) Most likely life imprisonment, no bail allowed.

Richard Wellington - first degree of manslaughter, first degree of tampering with evidence, first degree of fraud. Most likely a 50 year imprisonment with either no bail allowed or bail applicable after 45 years. Reason being is killing a police officer offers the most harshest judgement.

Mimi Miney - first degree of manslaughter, possible degree in murder. Most likely 45 years sentence with bail applicable within 12 years. Cost most likely be $290000

Morgan Fey - third degree of manslaughter. But with 3-5, she is also has another degree of manslaughter for Misty. So that means 2 third degree of manslaughter. Most likely a 35 year sentence with bail applicable in 18 years. Cost probably $340000 for both cases.

Acro/Ken Dingling - accidental murder but most likely still charged under second degree murder. Either complete acquittal or a 12 year sentence with bail applicable in 3 years. He did show compassion and remorse so that'll drop the bail date earlier. Cost most likely $100000

Matt Engarde - second degree of murder (he did plan it so the responsibility of the murder falls on him), first degree of blackmail. Sentence most likely be 56 years with bail applicable in 35 years. Cost most likely be $455000

Luke Atmey - first degree in obstruction of justice, first degree in murder, perjury. Sentence most likely be 57 years with bail applicable in 23 years. Cost most likely be more than he can afford!

Furio Tigre - first degree of murder, first degree in obstruction of justice. Impersonating a legal court officer is enough warrant for a life sentence here. No bail allowed.

Godot/Diego Armando - although killing in justified self defence, he is still technically earns a degree in manslaughter. First degree in obstruction of justice, perjury. Sentence can range from complete acquittal or removal of prosecution badge and at least 3 years jail.

Iris - first degree in obstruction of justice. So mostly likely 6 months to a year. Cost most likely $50000
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With the exception of Dee and Godot (due to self-defence/defence of others issues), everyone else is gonna have a noose around their neck at somepoint in their future (Acro might get lethal injection/electic chair though, as he's disabled).

Not sure about the AJ villains though (except Kristoph, who is a dead cert for execution).


The idea that all PW! cases end up with the death penalty is fanon and really is unsubstantiated. It wouldn't be a plot point for them to pursue death with Lana Skye, if it was standard practice. So let's just kill that rumor where it stands. Dahlia Hawthorne killed 2 people as well, not three and attempted murder for a third (A prosecutor).

Alita Talia as a note, may be able to get off as killing the Doctor in self-defense.

While Japan is a nice guiding line. Officially, PW takes place in Los Angeles so we'll go with that viewpoint.

Now for some possible legal defenses as a note

* Yanni Yogi: Temporary Insanity (Irony at work)

* Manfred Von Karma: Temporary insanity with the murder of Edgeworth's father (almost certainly wouldn't fly given that he never fesses up to it)

* Lana Skye: Duress. Protecting her little sister. Possible Plea Bargaining in the case with Damon Gant.
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Charles Phipps wrote:
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With the exception of Dee and Godot (due to self-defence/defence of others issues), everyone else is gonna have a noose around their neck at somepoint in their future (Acro might get lethal injection/electic chair though, as he's disabled).

Not sure about the AJ villains though (except Kristoph, who is a dead cert for execution).


The idea that all PW! cases end up with the death penalty is fanon and really is unsubstantiated. It wouldn't be a plot point for them to pursue death with Lana Skye, if it was standard practice. So let's just kill that rumor where it stands. Dahlia Hawthorne killed 2 people as well, not three and attempted murder for a third (A prosecutor).

Alita Talia as a note, may be able to get off as killing the Doctor in self-defense.

While Japan is a nice guiding line. Officially, PW takes place in Los Angeles so we'll go with that viewpoint.


I think you need to get your bearings straight first as this was ORIGINALLY based on the JAPANESE law system here. Only did it translate to English did it switch to your American law system. I'm assuming that we should assume on the Japanese system here which would have reserved death penalty for most of the crimes in the PW cases. I doubt Alita Talia would be able to counter her killing with justified self-defence as she needed to kill him whilst she was being strangled.
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I think you need to get your bearings straight first as this was ORIGINALLY based on the JAPANESE law system here. Only did it translate to English did it switch to your American law system. I'm assuming that we should assume on the Japanese system here which would have reserved death penalty for most of the crimes in the PW cases. I doubt Alita Talia would be able to counter her killing with justified self-defence as she needed to kill him whilst she was being strangled.


Yes...

And?

Frankly, given that the material doesn't really follow the Japanese legal system save in Drama rules, I think that would be a mistake.

I also think that the danger from the Doctor was still tremendous and a lawyer would argue that if she didn't kill him then he might attempt to finish the job.
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Charles Phipps wrote:
The idea that all PW! cases end up with the death penalty is fanon and really is unsubstantiated. It wouldn't be a plot point for them to pursue death with Lana Skye, if it was standard practice. So let's just kill that rumor where it stands.


You keep saying that, but you're completely ignoring the strongest evidence in support of the theory, that being 3-2, where it is outright stated that a man who has comitted only one murder (Atmey) would face capital punishment. Every sentence for murder that the audience is made aware of includes execution. If you can find some evidence that contradicts the assumption other than "most legal systems just don't work that way," then you can "kill that rumor."

In any case, I think this thread needs to clarify whether it's talking about what would happen in an American court or if it means "in the game." The game never talks about how many years a person will be in jail, or first vs second degree murder, etc. So are we explicitly talking about "What the real world would do"?
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You keep saying that, but you're completely ignoring the strongest evidence in support of the theory, that being 3-2, where it is outright stated that a man who has comitted only one murder (Atmey) would face capital punishment. Every sentence for murder that the audience is made aware of includes execution. If you can find some evidence that contradicts the assumption other than "most legal systems just don't work that way," then you can "kill that rumor."

In any case, I think this thread needs to clarify whether it's talking about what would happen in an American court or if it means "in the game." The game never talks about how many years a person will be in jail, or first vs second degree murder, etc. So are we explicitly talking about "What the real world would do"?


Even in real life, a premeditated act of murder can theoretically result in a man being charged with capital punishment. However, the general assumption that a person will automatically face the death penalty is something that's going well and beyond the evidence provided.
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Croik wrote:
Charles Phipps wrote:
The idea that all PW! cases end up with the death penalty is fanon and really is unsubstantiated. It wouldn't be a plot point for them to pursue death with Lana Skye, if it was standard practice. So let's just kill that rumor where it stands.


You keep saying that, but you're completely ignoring the strongest evidence in support of the theory, that being 3-2, where it is outright stated that a man who has comitted only one murder (Atmey) would face capital punishment. Every sentence for murder that the audience is made aware of includes execution. If you can find some evidence that contradicts the assumption other than "most legal systems just don't work that way," then you can "kill that rumor."

In any case, I think this thread needs to clarify whether it's talking about what would happen in an American court or if it means "in the game." The game never talks about how many years a person will be in jail, or first vs second degree murder, etc. So are we explicitly talking about "What the real world would do"?


Well, actually, with people posting various sentences based on various legal systems, this thread is becoming very interesting IMO. So let's not stay to just one legal system. I may post based on Brazil's legal system sometime soon.

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I also think that the danger from the Doctor was still tremendous and a lawyer would argue that if she didn't kill him then he might attempt to finish the job.

One of the rules of self defense is that the killer cannot be overpowered. If you think about it, she had a clear adveantage over him, so justified self-defense is ruled out.

On the other hand, the circumstances should guarantee a lighter sentence.
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In Norway most of them would get 21 years prison.
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Well, actually, with people posting various sentences based on various legal systems, this thread is becoming very interesting IMO. So let's not stay to just one legal system. I may post based on Brazil's legal system sometime soon.


That's fine, I just think it should be clarified that this thread is not about what people think those punishments would be in game canon, because that's been discussed at length in other threads.
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I say most of them get death penalty, :devasque: gets off, :sawit: is found :not-guilty:of murder, but :guilty: of manslaughter. :acro: is guilty of manslaughter as well,and :lana: gets off with Duress(if she fills all 4 requirements) I pity the defense attorneys of :gant-clap2: and :karma:.
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I think Godot would of got a short jail sentence, because he killed someone to save someone else. If i was the judge, i would of gave Godot 1 month jail, or just a fine.
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Quick note about Matt Engarde... He'd end up dead either way, but by pleading guilty I believe he got a sentence of life imprisonment.

Godot's case cannot be justified as self-defense, therefore he still gets a harsh punishment. Evidently, it wasn't death.
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1. I don't think Dee would have went to jail. It was Self-defence.

2. Luke Atmey should spend the rest of his life in a mental institution. Prefarable one where he'll be heavily drugged, and the hospital is running distance from my house. :hotti:
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General Luigi wrote:
Were I the one determining the sentences...

Note: these all fairly closely follow the Federal Sentencing Guidelines.
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Frank Sahwit: Voluntary manslaughter, theft (probably several counts), perjury; 10 years; $200,000
Redd White: First-degree murder, perjury, obstruction of justice, blackmail; life; $500,000
Dee Vasquez: Justified self-defense, perjury, obstruction of justice; 3 years; $40,000
Yanni Yogi: First-degree murder, perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $250,000
Manfred von Karma: Second-degree murder, first-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury; death; $750,000
Damon Gant: Second-degree murder (two counts, both with official victims), obstruction of justice (two counts), perjury; death; $1,000,000
Richard Wellington: Voluntary manslaughter (official victim), obstruction of justice, perjury; 30 years; $200,000
Mimi Miney: First-degree murder, obstruction of justice, perjury, involuntary manslaughter (15 counts); life; $250,000
Ken Dingling: Voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy to commit murder; 15 years; $150,000
Matt Engarde: First-degree murder; life; $250,000
Shelly de Killer: First-degree murder (way too many counts), perjury; death; $1,000,000
Dahlia Hawthorne: First-degree murder (official victim), second-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (two counts), theft; death; $500,000
Luke Atmey: First-degree murder, blackmail, theft (five counts), perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $250,000
Furio Tigre: Second-degree murder, blackmail, theft, perjury, obstruction of justice; life; $200,000
Diego Armando: Voluntary manslaughter, obstruction of justice; 12 years; $100,000
Kristoph Gavin: First-degree murder (two counts), perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (two counts); death; $800,000
Alita Tiala: Voluntary manslaughter, perjury; 8 years; $90,000
Daryan Crescend: Voluntary manslaughter (official victim), perjury, obstruction of justice, aggravated assault, smuggling; life; $250,000

Probable the most accurate one...
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