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Hey,

I'm replaying the first AA game again now (I havent played it in a long while), and my thoughts are it seems underrated. It's not quite as funny as JFA or T&T but I really liked the dramatic moments of 1-2 eg
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when Phoenix "loses" the trial and Maya channels Mia for the 1st time)
and some of 1-3.
Oldbag on the stand is brilliant. And I like the way it seems so hopeless at the start when everyone thinks Powers did it and new evidence is uncovered (like when Cody is on the stand).
Even though it seems odd in a way playing it after AJ, its still very well written especially considering its the 1st game, and exciting. The trials are easier now though as I remember them. Edgey is very arrogant in 1-2, 1-3 but not really EVIL or as annoying as Fran was.
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I've been wondering about the theme of the cases - I think they involve blackmail.
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1-2 - Redd White is a blackmailer, blackmailing Grossberg and famous people. Ironically, Mia blackmails White into confessing for the murder.
1-3 - Dee Vasquez is blackmailing Hammer and getting him to do her bidding, treating him like crap as he killed someone in an accident and Vasquez hushed it up.
1-4 - Was Edgey being blackmailed by Von Karma (when he owns up to DL-6?
1-5 - Gant is blackmailing Lana and using her.


Also there's the
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April character who they give an innocent personality but is really bad a la Matt, Dahlia, Kristoph. I think that will be something they do in GS5 as well

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I have to agree with you here. The first game is a great game, despite the lack of funny parts. Now that you mention it, the blackmailing background was very prominent in the game, and even in the others. I think it's an overall issue. Overall, your conclusions are well founded and insightful. Nice observing :godot:
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I actually like the first one's gameplay the most, because the cases were much simpler, no psyche-locks, not as many "hard to find to advance plays" in the investigation part, and best of all, no profile presenting! I have to admit it's the only PW game I completed without an FAQ (minus Rise from the Ashes)
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What I dislike about the first game was that it was a bit too easy - except 1-5. 1-5 demands a huge logic jump...

But the cases tied up all the loose ends very well. That's pretty impressive.

I liked Cody :D
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If you start with AA, you don't realize that it's not as humorous as JFA and T&T until you replay it. And then you're like, "Meh, it's still awesome!"

Since it was the first, it was nice that it was nice and easy, 'cause then the difficulty just increased! (Except for AJ.)


Blackmailing was definitely a motif, but I don't think it's the main theme. I mean, JFA was what it means to be a lawyer, T&T is too kinda, AJ was the judge's speech at the end, and AA is...blackmail is prevalent throughout the world? ._.

It's probably something along Edgy's line in 1-5 "The truth may be a tragedy, but it is an even greater tragedy not to hear the truth." (Although that's not a direct quote.)


All the AA cases are special. 1-1 is super-easy, but it's still fun, especially the first time. (And especially the rabies!) Not many other cases in the series get as hopeless as 1-2 and 1-3. 1-4 has the biggest "WTF" opening scene, plus it's probably the craziest murder (and most elaborate framing) in the entire series*. And 1-5 was just epic.

And I miss the 3-day cases :sadshoe:




*: No, 3-5 is not more elaborate. He/She stabbed her. The end. Nothing to it. Simple as that. 4-4 is pretty convoluted, but I don't think it's really that important to decide which is more :gymshoe:




Oh, and I'm replaying it too!! *squee* (except I was interrupted by TWEWY :nick: ) I'm happy 'cause I'm up to the last day of 1-3, which is the day that made me fall in love with Pursuit ~ Cornered (Variation)
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Nice observations there.
I'm currently playing 1-4 with my boyfriend again, just because it's so epic.
And yeah, 1-4 has the most "WTF?!"-like opening sequence ever.
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I actually liked the difficulty in the first game a LOT more than the other two games. The profiles as evidence things made things harder to prove and with cases like 2-4 and 3-5, you want to say "Gimme 1-5 again! It was a LOT easier than this!" And in AA, there wasn't as much nonsense about the Kurain Channeling technique, which made the game a lot better, because it showed how much better of a lawyer Phoenix was, instead of "I need Mia!". And 1-5 was a terrific case, they never remade another one like it which pissed me off some more, in the following games.

All in All: PW:AA>T&T>JFA
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Can't really agree there. I'm fine with the difficulty of the first game, but to me, it just seems a litte plain. The profile presentation and the psycho locks added complexity in a way I like a lot.
And I was under the impression that Phoenix was in the "omg I need Mia!" situation a lot more than in the other games. In the other games, she mostly just showed up; in the first one, he was still pretty insecure and often asked Maya to channel Mia. Heck, in 1-4, it's even constantly pointed out that Phoenix desperately needs Mia and Maya can't get over the fact that the channeling doesn't work!

Btw, the case which gave me the most trouble and the strongest need for a walkthrough was 1-5.

But that's just my two cents.
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I found 1-5 really hard as well.
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Hey,
I thought in 1-3:
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Why is there so much arsing about putting Hammer's body back in the Evil Magistrate costume? Did they know Hammer wanted to frame Powers for murder or what?

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I have several complaints about GS1.

They set you up with your characters (Phoenix, Mia, Larry, ...) in the first case, and randomly kill Mia in the second. It seemed far too sudden for me. Also, terribly Deus Ex finish for 1-2.
I found 1-3 to be the most boring case in any game, and it had some of the most annoying characters ever (Manella, Cody ****ing Hackins, Oldbag, etc.). The villain was also obvious.
I thought 1-5 was the hardest case in any game, too difficult in my opinion.

That being said, I loved the first game.

You can't deny that 1-4 and 1-5 are epic. While 1-2 seemed kinda "wtf" to me, it introduced Edgeworth in a brilliant way (clearly ruthless, then at the end, was willing to have White take the blame for a lesser crime in order to still get his Guilty verdict).
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grim_tales wrote:
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I thought in 1-3:
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Why is there so much arsing about putting Hammer's body back in the Evil Magistrate costume? Did they know Hammer wanted to frame Powers for murder or what?


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Dee Vasquez and co figured out it was Hammer who died, so they decided to frame Powers for murder. She created a scene that tricked everyone into believing that the spear wound must have been caused by the Samurai Spear, and that Powers must then be the killer, since it was his weapon after all. Putting his body in the evil magistrate costume was the final touch that definitely pointed towards the Steel Samurai as the murderer.

At the end Phoenix explained to Will that Hammer wasn't framing Will per se... he wanted the Steel Samurai to kill her. He wanted the true hero to destroy the evil magistrate who ruled over his life. Of course, that may be just to comfort Will, and I personally don't believe a bit of it :will:


Ollie wrote:
I have several complaints about GS1.

They set you up with your characters (Phoenix, Mia, Larry, ...) in the first case, and randomly kill Mia in the second. It seemed far too sudden for me. Also, terribly Deus Ex finish for 1-2..


On the contrary, I thought Mia's death was far too fake. It's like they decided they must die, then decided it was too sudden, so they give her partial life.
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My preference is GS3 > GS2 > GS1 > GS4 > GS1 excluding 1-5

The first game was really great, but the 2nd and the 3rd improved it in every possible way (more jokes, better music and gameplay).

1-2 and 1-2 are great introductory cases. It can't be said for the other games, because 2-1 and 3-2 are way too hard and confusing for a beginner, and 4-1... same, way too unsatisfactory and tedious for a first case.

1-3 is the weakest case in the series gameplay-wise, but I think it was all right. The investigation parts were unnecessarily drawn out, but the characters and the music were great.

1-4 is the first really epic case, and the only case in GS1 I'd give a 10/10. It also has probably the most evidence for "Maya is helpful and not useless by any means".

1-5 was great, but the investigations were too hard and it was easy to get stuck.
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I'm replaying AA at the moment too, so why not join in with the fun:

1-1: Well, the case is just... easy. Obviously, since it's the first tutorial case but still, Sahwit wasn't even really trying! But the case has it's redeeming moment: The wig-slap. 7/10.

1-2: God, I HATED the end to this case. I can be quite sadistic at times, and I really loved finally getting to White and getting him down. But then they pull that Deus Ex Machina moment where I just had to think: "God, Mia! Get out of here! I got this case in the books, I don't need your help!" Quite un-satifying breakdown. 4/10, maybe more for White punching Phoenix in the face.

1-3: This is the case I'm currently at. I'll just agree with Szabu, don't want to go into much detail. A typical filler case. 6/10, it wasn't bad overall.

1-4: Ah, here we go. The part where the game really gets fun. The first epic case I ever played, and I loved it. Awesome case overall, it had everything a great case needs: Confusing intro (I almost thought Edgeworth actually did it for a while, at least until you get to defend him), a great prosecutor (Von Karmas for the win!), comedy relief (Missile did a good job there, the camera helped too), investigation phases that are actually fun, tazers (They're awesome), courtroom headbanging and much more. The finish was great, with the single exception that it basically ruled out Manfred for future games. 10/10, incredible overall.

1-5: Rise from the Ashes, the first case I ever got really stumped on. A very complicated case with drawn-out investigation phases (That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing here), by the second day I was completely lost. I was basically jumping from suspect to suspect: Starr - Marshall - Meekins (Jup, I suspected him for some reason) - Gant - Starr and Marshall in a conspiration (I don't know how I got away from Gant, I guess I thought it was too obvious) - Gant again. The most satisfying finish in the whole game. Beating Gant at his own game, 100% satisfaction. 10/10.

Positive points in the game: - Manfred, White, Gant. Great bad guys.
- Cases that actually had you guessing a few times (Most obvious in 1-5)
- Good introductions to the characters (Early hints at the Edgeworth turn)
- 1-5's evidence analysing (Better than AJ)
Negative points: - Too much "OMG I need Mia!"
- 1-3. Just too confusing and chaotic. Worse than the circus case (Whatever that one was again)
- A bit bland gameplay (Well, it WAS the first game)
- Lacking character development (Ditto)

All in all a great game (But then again, all PW games are great).

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Litral wrote:
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On the contrary, I thought Mia's death was far too fake. It's like they decided they must die, then decided it was too sudden, so they give her partial life.

I completely agree, but I feel it was both: Sudden, with fact you're still trying to understand the characters, and fake, in that because of channeling, Mia isn't even really dead.
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I thought one part of 1-2 was brilliant. I liked how
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Edgey tries to get White to confess to blackmail so he is cleared of murder. It reminded me of Atmey in 1-3, when he confesses to being MDM so he cant be accused of murder


I liked the irony of the very end of 1-2 but now I think about it.. yeah... it could have been better. How come we
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dont hear about Red White in future games if he was important to DL-6?

1-2 and 1-3 were great in a way as not many other cases make you feel as hopeless as those (3-5, 2-4 excepted).

At the end of 1-3 what do you show to Will?
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I tried the Path To Glory book but I'm not sure if that worked/

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grim_tales wrote:
At the end of 1-3 what do you show to Will?
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I tried the Path To Glory book but I'm not sure if that worked/


Yeah, that's what you should show him.
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grim_tales wrote:
I liked the irony of the very end of 1-2 but now I think about it.. yeah... it could have been better. How come we
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dont hear about Red White in future games if he was important to DL-6?


Redd wasn't important to the incident itself, I guess. And as I recall, he's mentioned (not by name however) in 3-5 I think.
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Szabu, thanks.
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