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Author:  Sligneris [ Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:15 pm ]
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...I didn't play Metal Gear Solid, so there you go.

Author:  Cravat of Doom [ Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:55 pm ]
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I just realized during 5-3 that Athena's last name is supposed to sound like "Psychs". :/

Author:  dimentiorules [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:51 pm ]
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Cravat of Doom wrote:
I just realized during 5-3 that Athena's last name is supposed to sound like "Psychs". :/

I didn't notice that until they outright pronounced it as such in a cutscene in 5-5. I thought it was pronounced "kikes" as in rhymes with Dykes.

Author:  Turnabout_Lawman [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:29 am ]
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Spoiler: 5-3 villain and twists
Why am I like the ONLY person who didn't suspect Means from the moment of his introduction? :sadshoe: Everyone talks about how obvious it was them. On the flip side I knew Robin was a girl from the character design alone.

Author:  Sligneris [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:04 am ]
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The smile. It says all.

Author:  dimentiorules [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:51 pm ]
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I agree. Plus his... questionable morals which are evident from the beginning make it obvious that someone with said ideas HAS to be a villain.

Author:  CatMuto [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:47 pm ]
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dimentiorules wrote:
I agree. Plus his... questionable morals which are evident from the beginning make it obvious that someone with said ideas HAS to be a villain.


Isn't it simply because AA was never very good at being subtle about its villains?

C-A

Author:  Cravat of Doom [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:54 pm ]
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CatMuto wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
I agree. Plus his... questionable morals which are evident from the beginning make it obvious that someone with said ideas HAS to be a villain.


Isn't it simply because AA was never very good at being subtle about its villains?

C-A


They're not really subtle, no. I'm still trying to figure out if that is a flaw or a charm. Is it just part of the way the series is or is it poor writing choices?

Author:  CatMuto [ Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:07 pm ]
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Cravat of Doom wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
dimentiorules wrote:
I agree. Plus his... questionable morals which are evident from the beginning make it obvious that someone with said ideas HAS to be a villain.


Isn't it simply because AA was never very good at being subtle about its villains?

C-A


They're not really subtle, no. I'm still trying to figure out if that is a flaw or a charm. Is it just part of the way the series is or is it poor writing choices?


I think it's kind of a poor writing choice. There's no suspense or surprise when it's revealed, because you already knew beforehand and you just feel like staring at the characters and go, "Really? You can't figure it out who the bad guy is?"

C-A

Author:  Sligneris [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:23 am ]
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CatMuto wrote:
I think it's kind of a poor writing choice. There's no suspense or surprise when it's revealed, because you already knew beforehand and you just feel like staring at the characters and go, "Really? You can't figure it out who the bad guy is?"

C-A

It's mostly matter of known facts.
Spoiler: Case 3
He had an alibi, and they had no real reason to doubt it, until Hugh's testimony. You don't go accusing people of murder based on "I think it's a bad person"
And then it goes 180* in Case 5 with Phoenix saying how obvious it is that culprit is lying, despite the very real possibility they could be telling the truth.

Author:  Eurekajuice [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:54 am ]
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That the employee area in 1-3 is outside. I didn't realise untill I replayed it and examined the window.

Author:  Sligneris [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:38 am ]
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Eurekajuice wrote:
That the employee area in 1-3 is outside. I didn't realise untill I replayed it and examined the window.

Image
Wha-WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?

Author:  Eurekajuice [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:22 pm ]
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Sligneris wrote:
Eurekajuice wrote:
That the employee area in 1-3 is outside. I didn't realise untill I replayed it and examined the window.

Image
Wha-WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?


Are you shocked by me not knowing that, or didn't you realize either ?

Author:  dimentiorules [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:46 pm ]
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Which employee area are you talking about? 1 or 2? 'Cause if it was 2, that is very obvious that it's outside. But with 1, I didn't notice it, either!

Author:  Eurekajuice [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:11 pm ]
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dimentiorules wrote:
Which employee area are you talking about? 1 or 2? 'Cause if it was 2, that is very obvious that it's outside. But with 1, I didn't notice it, either!

Turnabout Samurai, the place with the duct - 2 screens.

Author:  Sligneris [ Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:23 pm ]
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Eurekajuice wrote:
Are you shocked by me not knowing that, or didn't you realize either ?
Image

Uh-uh... Well...

Author:  Sligneris [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:12 am ]
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Maybe not so "obvious", and yet, I am somehow surprised to discover that the track usually referred to "Congratulations, Everyone", "おめでたい人びと" can be also translated as "Stupid/Naive/Happy People"

Author:  Eurekajuice [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:13 pm ]
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Sligneris wrote:
Maybe not so "obvious", and yet, I am somehow surprised to discover that the track usually referred to "Congratulations, Everyone", "おめでたい人びと" can be also translated as "Stupid/Naive/Happy People"



Foolish People? And you didn't answer my question. Are you shocked by me not knowing that, or didn't you realize either ?

Please someone tell me I'm not crazy... :dahlia:

Author:  Sligneris [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:38 pm ]
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Sligneris wrote:
Eurekajuice wrote:
Are you shocked by me not knowing that, or didn't you realize either ?
Image

Uh-uh... Well...
Eurekajuice wrote:
And you didn't answer my question. Are you shocked by me not knowing that, or didn't you realize either ?

Please someone tell me I'm not crazy... :dahlia:


I didn't realize that either. I thought that one was easy to read. xD

Author:  Going for Miles [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:32 pm ]
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That Yumihiko (GK2) is wearing a jacket put over his shoulders. I thought it was a cape...

Author:  Jozerick [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:50 pm ]
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Sligneris wrote:
Maybe not so "obvious", and yet, I am somehow surprised to discover that the track usually referred to "Congratulations, Everyone", "おめでたい人びと" can be also translated as "Stupid/Naive/Happy People"

Wow, I had no idea. I'm starting to think that was the intended meaning...

Author:  Sligneris [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:21 am ]
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Jozerick wrote:
Sligneris wrote:
Maybe not so "obvious", and yet, I am somehow surprised to discover that the track usually referred to "Congratulations, Everyone", "おめでたい人びと" can be also translated as "Stupid/Naive/Happy People"

Wow, I had no idea. I'm starting to think that was the intended meaning...

I went with "Naive People" and "More Naive People" for JFA. Still, too bad no amount of correction can change it now, seeing it is already widely accepted as that...

Author:  WaitingforGodot [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:18 pm ]
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I realized today that Simon's white hair probably isn't a fashion statement.

Author:  dimentiorules [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:43 pm ]
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WaitingforGodot wrote:
I realized today that Simon's white hair probably isn't a fashion statement.

What do you mean by that? Isn't he a bit young to have his hair start to gray, and if it was graying, doesn't the whole hair usually start becoming gray?

Author:  CatMuto [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:52 pm ]
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dimentiorules wrote:
WaitingforGodot wrote:
I realized today that Simon's white hair probably isn't a fashion statement.

What do you mean by that? Isn't he a bit young to have his hair start to gray, and if it was graying, doesn't the whole hair usually start becoming gray?


I figured his hair is white to give him the appearance of a skunk.

C-A

Author:  Louise [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:12 am ]
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Maybe the writers were just inspired by the film version of Sweeney Todd

The idea was that he'd had this hideous trauma, from being sent away, locked away. That streak of white hair became the shock of that rage. It represented his rage over what had happened. - Johnny Depp

Or maybe he just has poliosis :kristoph:

Author:  WaitingforGodot [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:35 am ]
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dimentiorules wrote:
WaitingforGodot wrote:
I realized today that Simon's white hair probably isn't a fashion statement.

What do you mean by that? Isn't he a bit young to have his hair start to gray, and if it was graying, doesn't the whole hair usually start becoming gray?


As it was black before he went to prison I would think it was the stress (if I were him I would look twice as worn!) prematurely turning his hair white. It can happen to young people.
Yes, it would probably be more than just a spot, but, hell. Those bags under his eyes aren't normal bags. They have a very odd shape. Now, I have dark rings under my eyes but they aren't going across my face in a straight line. It just looks cooler, like having just a part of his hair turned white.
Now, I don't doubt the creators made him look that way because it would look cool, but I have a hard time to believe he would give a flying F about his hair looking groovy while (is this a spoiler? I'll tag it even so, DD)
Spoiler:
being in prison waiting for his execution.

I might be wrong, but I really didn't think that was just a theory, I actually thought it was an obvious thing. My sibling was less than impressed when I told them about my discovery and I actually had to safeguard myself ("I didn't remember that his hair was all black when he was younger!") to regain some of my lost pride. :godot:

So, ramble, ramble ramble ramble, what I'm trying to say is: I thought this was a fact. If it's not I apologize for being in the wrong thread. :oops:

Author:  WaitingforGodot [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:37 am ]
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Louise wrote:
The idea was that he'd had this hideous trauma, from being sent away, locked away. That streak of white hair became the shock of that rage. It represented his rage over what had happened. - Johnny Depp


Oh. I missed this. Something along those lines, yes, that was what I thought they ment. Trauma, shock, stress, possibly rage, all that jazz.

Edit: I was going to put it in the original post I wrote but fate made me double post instead. Pardon! :ron:

Author:  Jean Descole [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:37 am ]
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dimentiorules wrote:
WaitingforGodot wrote:
I realized today that Simon's white hair probably isn't a fashion statement.

What do you mean by that? Isn't he a bit young to have his hair start to gray


Hehehe. At 28? Believe it or not, there are people in the world who lose the color in their hair as soon as they turn 18. I've known a couple of folks who were half gray or mostly gray by the time they hit 30.

In Simon's case, it probably was due to stress/sorrow and Japan's fondness for weird hair.

Author:  WaitingforGodot [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:18 am ]
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Adrian in black wrote:
Hehehe. At 28? Believe it or not, there are people in the world who lose the color in their hair as soon as they turn 18. I've known a couple of folks who were half gray or mostly gray by the time they hit 30.

In Simon's case, it probably was due to stress/sorrow and Japan's fondness for weird hair.


That. And their fondness for weird hair... Definitely.

Also... (DD, Case 2.)
Spoiler:
L'Belle.

Author:  WaitingforGodot [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:39 pm ]
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Edit turned double-post. Again. I need Franziska to whip my fingers each time I make that mistake. :sadshoe:

Author:  CandyHolly [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:20 am ]
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This is pretty embarrassing... but I actually didn't know you could say "Hold it" and so on.. into the microphone until the last parts of the second game.... :lana:

But actually things in the game?
Uhh
Morgan Fey has Pearls as her daughter.
Therefore...
She is...
Mother of Pearl.

I basically didn't notice that until they literally said it in the 3rd game. :meekins:

Author:  WaitingforGodot [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:29 am ]
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CandyHolly wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing... but I actually didn't know you could say "Hold it" and so on.. into the microphone until the last parts of the second game.... :lana:


I didn't know it until I read it here at Court Records a few months ago. :acro:

Author:  CatMuto [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:03 am ]
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Quote:
But actually things in the game?
Uhh
Morgan Fey has Pearls as her daughter.
Therefore...
She is...
Mother of Pearl.


Pfffffhahahahahaha :gant:

C-A

Author:  Going for Miles [ Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:57 pm ]
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I'm replaying case 1-2, and they talked about Maya's Steel Samurai strap on her phone. The first time I played 1-2 I obviously hadn't played 1-3 so I never registered it.

And before I'd played any of the games, there was a Nintendo-magazine I read where there was a notice about Justice for all being released to DS, and in the next issue or so there was a review of Apollo Justice. Therefore I thought that all AA-games had the word "justice" in their titles, and I didn't get that Apollo Justice was the name of a person, so I thought it was the most stupid title ever, because "what the hell is 'apollo justice'?". :yogi:

Author:  LaserFace [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:36 pm ]
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Mostly the character pun names like Luke Atmey and Candice Arme for example.

Author:  kurainkun [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:28 am ]
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Cravat of Doom wrote:
I just realized during 5-3 that Athena's last name is supposed to sound like "Psychs". :/


It's fine! I didn't get it until I completed the game (by watching walkthroughs though... 'cause I played the Japanese ver.)

Author:  shippersdreamer [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:32 am ]
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kurainkun wrote:
Cravat of Doom wrote:
I just realized during 5-3 that Athena's last name is supposed to sound like "Psychs". :/


It's fine! I didn't get it until I completed the game (by watching walkthroughs though... 'cause I played the Japanese ver.)


If it makes you two feel better I never got Phoenix's last name until he made that horrible pun in Game 2

Author:  kurainkun [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:33 am ]
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shippersdreamer wrote:
kurainkun wrote:
Cravat of Doom wrote:
I just realized during 5-3 that Athena's last name is supposed to sound like "Psychs". :/


It's fine! I didn't get it until I completed the game (by watching walkthroughs though... 'cause I played the Japanese ver.)


If it makes you two feel better I never got Phoenix's last name until he made that horrible pun in Game 2


Thanks! :maya: It kind of does make me feel better! :3

Author:  shippersdreamer [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:38 am ]
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Cravat of Doom wrote:
Thanks! :maya: It kind of does make me feel better! :3


An even worse example was I never got Apollo's last name until I said it out of context. AFTER I beat the game. :apollo-shock:

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