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I was just reviewing my knowledge of SL9 case and recalled the unfortunate circumstances of Darke's murders.
I felt kinda sorry for him, I mean really he was just a frightened individual right? An accident turns into something much much worse.

Even when he lost it at the police station it was out of fear.

For a serial killer he's not exactly very malicious himself by the looks of it. Definately not as sinister as that picture of him holding the knife makes him look.

Anyone else feel kinda sorry for Darke? :sadshoe:
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Malicious or not, he was a still serial killer, so sympathy is pretty limited...
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I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.

Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
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I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.

Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...

He'd have gotten executed for his crimes anyway.

I found it funny though that there always happened to be just ONE single witness each time he committed a crime.
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I never had any sympathy for Darke. Sometimes I felt a little bad for the killers (like the murderer in the Berry Big Circus case), but Darke never showed anything in his personality that would make me feel bad for him.
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But Darke was just scared, he even came in for confession and his first murder was just an accident he panicked tis all.... :yuusaku:
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He still made the wrong choices. AND I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR TRYIG TO HURT EMA. >:O
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But Darke was just scared, he even came in for confession and his first murder was just an accident he panicked tis all.... :yuusaku:


Yeah, but then after that he killed a bunch of other people. Normal not psychos don't do that...
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He still made the wrong choices. AND I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR TRYIG TO HURT EMA. >:O


If only he did....not young Ema that'd be sad but older annoying Ema.

Also sure the other people he killed were just a consequence of the first one he was still just a scared uncertain person with a strong sense of guilt he couldn't bare anyone else knowing so...umm he killed them. Plus he was really sorry
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He still made the wrong choices. AND I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR TRYIG TO HURT EMA. >:O


If only he did....not young Ema that'd be sad but older annoying Ema.

YES. PLOX KEEL OLDER EMA >.<
While young Ema was one of my favorites, her older self is just... so different... and so... irritating...
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I never had any sympathy for Darke. Sometimes I felt a little bad for the killers (like the murderer in the Berry Big Circus case), but Darke never showed anything in his personality that would make me feel bad for him.

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I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.

Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...

He'd have gotten executed for his crimes anyway.


Except Gumshoe says that there wasn't any evidence that he killed his first 5 victims...
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
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I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.

Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...

He'd have gotten executed for his crimes anyway.


Except Gumshoe says that there wasn't any evidence that he killed his first 5 victims...


Correct they had to forge evidence....though he did confess...but as PW has shown a confession doesn't mean a guilty verdict. Also he was kinda dead so don't get on at him for personality.
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I always liked Darke. I don't know why, but I do. I think he just lost it after confessing, though...

So, yeah. To answer your question, I kind of did feel somewhat bad for him.
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I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?
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I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?


Yeah really when you think about it he felt the worst about his murders, he didn't want anyone to know about it. :sadshoe: He'd probably have killed himself if he hadn't went to confess.

Though I wouldn't compare him to Dahlia she was pure evil unlike Darke.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?


Yeah really when you think about it he felt the worst about his murders, he didn't want anyone to know about it. :sadshoe: He'd probably have killed himself if he hadn't went to confess.

Though I wouldn't compare him to Dahlia she was pure evil unlike Darke.


Still, he committed more crimes to hide the original one. That is very much the same thing she did.
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I feel sympathy for Joe Darke. I mean, he accidentally hit someone with his car, and someone witnessed it, so he killed them to save himself, but someone else witnessed that, and then while he was hiding the bodies, someone witnessed that... Sucks to be him, I guess.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
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I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?


Yeah really when you think about it he felt the worst about his murders, he didn't want anyone to know about it. :sadshoe: He'd probably have killed himself if he hadn't went to confess.

Though I wouldn't compare him to Dahlia she was pure evil unlike Darke.


Still, he committed more crimes to hide the original one. That is very much the same thing she did.


Yeah but her original crime wasn't accidental and to be fair....the others she killed weren't entirely sure something was wrong (Phoenix was oblivious to the poison as was Terry Fawles) whereas the people Darke killed where killed out of nessecity because they had most definately witnessed something.
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Darke is one of the most trafic characters in the PW universe. I do feel sorry for the poor fellow and the people who had to meet their untimely demise thanks to him.
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?


Are you being sarcastic? Seriously, if you got in a car accident you would stab a bunch of people with a switch knife and hide their bodies and clean up the crime scene? None of that falls into the "something anyone would do" category.

Plus I really don't buy that a man running entirely on panic could clean up his murders so well that an army of police detectives couldn't find a single piece of evidence linking him to the crime. All the victims are named, which means all their bodies were found. When Darke came in to confess he even had a weapon on him which may or may not have been used on at least one of the victims. But there was not a single drop of blood on him, no fibers, no fingerprints, nothing on his car or at the scenes? It takes a lot of time and work to kill that cleanly let alone five times in a row, especially when we've seen through the game how weak evidence in support of a killer can be.

If only one of the victims had written his name in the dirt, he'd be a dead man. :yuusaku:

What Darke did required time, effort, concentration, and thoroughness. I don't think you can be that calculating and still rely on the "heat of the moment - anyone else would have done the same" excuse. I really don't have any sympathy for him.
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?


Are you being sarcastic? Seriously, if you got in a car accident you would stab a bunch of people with a switch knife and hide their bodies and clean up the crime scene? None of that falls into the "something anyone would do" category.

Plus I really don't buy that a man running entirely on panic could clean up his murders so well that an army of police detectives couldn't find a single piece of evidence linking him to the crime. All the victims are named, which means all their bodies were found. When Darke came in to confess he even had a weapon on him which may or may not have been used on at least one of the victims. But there was not a single drop of blood on him, no fibers, no fingerprints, nothing on his car or at the scenes? It takes a lot of time and work to kill that cleanly let alone five times in a row, especially when we've seen through the game how weak evidence in support of a killer can be.

If only one of the victims had written his name in the dirt, he'd be a dead man. :yuusaku:

What Darke did required time, effort, concentration, and thoroughness. I don't think you can be that calculating and still rely on the "heat of the moment - anyone else would have done the same" excuse. I really don't have any sympathy for him.


Umm well he didn't really clean his murders that well, hell he was spotted 5 times trying to cover them up. While I wouldn't say its something anyone would've done but I wouldn't rule out that an individual particularly one subject to panic attacks might do it, besides there must've been something they had on Darke otherwise they wouldn't have been so absolutely certain he had killed all the people. They couldn't finish him off evidence-wise but there must've been something they had.

Besides regarding the thoroughness and effort maybe whatever Job Darke had was one that required such pernickityness plus since he was so terrified of anyone discovering his murders that he'd kill them it's not so hard to see him doing everything he can to ensure he was never discovered.
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?

Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?

Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.

If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.

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Darke was an idiot. Accidental vehicular manslaughter, while awful, is much less severe than murder, let alone 4-5 murders. I have suprisingly little pity for morons.
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Darke's story always seemed like a condensed (kind of ridiculously so) version of what happened with Dahlia. One lesser crime that gets the ball rolling (theft for Dahlia, probably vehicular manslaughter for Darke, if I'm remembering right) and then a whole bunch of murders to cover it up.

1-5 is full of references to the rest of the cases in various ways. I wonder if it was intentional.
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Yes I was joking.

Though, I do still feel some sympathy for him. He seemed to be someone who was very anxious and had a lot of panic attacks. I wouldn't do the same thing in his situation, but I suppose everyone has their "trigger." He was mentally unstable and the fear of getting in trouble for an accidental murder just sent him into a state of panic. Though what he did may be unexcusable, I still feel sympathy for him as I don't think the police went about their investigation and persecution correctly according to his condition..
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?

Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.

If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.

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Darke was an idiot. Accidental vehicular manslaughter, while awful, is much less severe than murder, let alone 4-5 murders. I have suprisingly little pity for morons.

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I feel sorry for Darke as well. I see it as something like this.

He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.

Really it can all be blamed on insanity. He went insane momentarily and thus killed some people. Just a sign of an unstable mind. >>

So yes, all in all I feel sorry for him.
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He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.

The order, actually, is like this...
1) He runs over the guy, buries the body, is seen by a witness.
2) He kills the witness in 1), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
3) He kills the witness in 2), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
4) He kills the witness in 3), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
5) He kills the witness in 4), buries the body, is seen by a witness.

Oh and did I mention he cleans up really well after himself? No it cannot be attributed to temporary insanity. And you can't claim 5 counts of temporary insanity without claiming diminished capacity. Which of course, would get him locked up in an asylum, or dead.
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He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.

The order, actually, is like this...
1) He runs over the guy, buries the body, is seen by a witness.
2) He kills the witness in 1), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
3) He kills the witness in 2), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
4) He kills the witness in 3), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
5) He kills the witness in 4), buries the body, is seen by a witness.

Oh and did I mention he cleans up really well after himself? No it cannot be attributed to temporary insanity. And you can't claim 5 counts of temporary insanity without claiming diminished capacity. Which of course, would get him locked up in an asylum, or dead.


Unfortunately he never got the chance to get sentenced to an asylum, he was killed before court still I think we lack the details to determine the circumstances of the murder. For all we know it could've been on a quiet country road and it was only the odd person who stopped to ask what he was doing who got murdered. Besides while there would have been blood for most of the victims (I don't know enough about car accidents to determine whether much blood would be on his car) he could easily have ditched the switchknife by driving a few miles down the road and lobbing it into a country field or something, it's small and unlikely to get found far from the crime scene or the suspects property and usual haunts. It wouldn't have been that hard for him to cover it up.

Random Speculation: He has the look of an undertaker or mortician maybe he knows something about digging graves that would mean the police would find them? This part baffles me. :yuusaku:

Also Lighthaven your copy paste skills fail you...in your order there is still one extra witness who saw him.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.

The order, actually, is like this...
1) He runs over the guy, buries the body, is seen by a witness.
2) He kills the witness in 1), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
3) He kills the witness in 2), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
4) He kills the witness in 3), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
5) He kills the witness in 4), buries the body, is seen by a witness.

Oh and did I mention he cleans up really well after himself? No it cannot be attributed to temporary insanity. And you can't claim 5 counts of temporary insanity without claiming diminished capacity. Which of course, would get him locked up in an asylum, or dead.


Unfortunately he never got the chance to get sentenced to an asylum, he was killed before court still I think we lack the details to determine the circumstances of the murder. For all we know it could've been on a quiet country road and it was only the odd person who stopped to ask what he was doing who got murdered. Besides while there would have been blood for most of the victims (I don't know enough about car accidents to determine whether much blood would be on his car) he could easily have ditched the switchknife by driving a few miles down the road and lobbing it into a country field or something, it's small and unlikely to get found far from the crime scene or the suspects property and usual haunts. It wouldn't have been that hard for him to cover it up.

Random Speculation: He has the look of an undertaker or mortician maybe he knows something about digging graves that would mean the police would find them? This part baffles me. :yuusaku:

Also Lighthaven your copy paste skills fail you...in your order there is still one extra witness who saw him.

Yeah, forgot to delete that last part. And no, not necessarily, it depends where the car hit if there's blood. Ditching the knife wouldn't be any good either. It was determined that he originally kept it to defend himself, so I don't think he'd ditch it that easily.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?

Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.

If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.

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Well considering he killed numerous people out of fear rather than face an accidental manslaughter charge I'd say he's likely to ditch it...that otherwise the competent team of detectives working on the case couldn't find one bloody knife that he had.
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If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.

Ever.

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brb burying someone in Tatton Park, bitch messed with my moped


Tell me about it, last week I had to bury five bodies because of my latest car crash. You need to be extra careful sometimes, you know?
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I see three extreme options explaining Darke's character (at least, in my head; obviously, there are other options, but here are the simplest I came up with)

Spoiler: He's Insane
He crashes and kills someone accidentally. He decides he needs to hide it because he doesn't want to get caught; he doesn't want to get caught with such an atrocity. However, he sees someone who could have (or perhaps he/she didn't) seen the crime.
So, he takes the knife and stabs them in a fit of panic. Now, oh shoot, someone saw him do that! Well, he doesn't want anyone seeing him just kill those other people; yeah, it was panic, but he's hoping, maybe this will cover up everything and he can go about his day!

So he kills that person. Now, three are dead. Ach, looks like he'll have to bury them, right? He needs a way to get this behind him. As he buries the bodies, someone sees him! No, no, no! he's almost done; he almost can get this behind him! so, in another panic, perhaps, or an insane rush, he kills the last witness. He's already burying bodies, might as well cover the last. He's finally thinking tactically, now.

Yes, he was insane for killing those bodies, but this is a matter of life or death! He can't get caught, he can't. He's done enough, he needs this to go behind him and let him go on with his day. So he's careful about evidence.

He feel horrible; he killed those people; he must be insane! So he goes to the police. But he realizes just what this would entail; can he handle the pressure? Could he handle the death sentence? How did such a horrible day turn out so, so wrong? So he runs, somewhere, trying to escape. He thinks he's found a place; but a young girl is there! No, no! He must escape! But should he kill another—ack! someone's here! And he's attacking him! He didn't even attack the girl yet, did he? But as he's fighting, black out.


Spoiler: He's Cold-Blooded
Maybe there was an unknown connection between he and the first victim. So, when he sees her/him on the street, in a fit of anger, he/she dies. Are his problems over, now that this first victim, which he perhaps knew, is dead?

Nope; someone witnessed! He/she can't find out! Oh well, looks like he/she is going to have to be taken care of. Then another. Now he's got dead bodies to bury; police won't find him, he'll be careful, right? Sure, he only meant to kill one person, but now others are dead. As he's carefully burying bodies, another witness!

He's crazy, yes; maybe in his sick mind, he decides such a rampage will be just a way to show off the police! He's sick, he's sick, he doesn't give a crap, people are dead, the police won't find out, they'll be whining; he'll fee accomplished! Something he did; he gave a loop for the police, eh?
Now, he realizes he could cause more damage; go to the police! Give up? Heck, no! Just cause more chaos!

So he goes; and leaves because he was "panicking". He gets into a room; shoot, he can't make his escape here! There's a young girl, a witness! Well, looks like—oh, shoot, someone's here! And—black out.


Or it's a mix of the two, which would probably look like this:

Spoiler: The Mix
He's driving; he's stressed. He's usually so intelligent, but his thoughts wander He hates his life; he needs something, a change. Crash! He hits someone! No, they're dead! He can't handle this; he's usually so in control, but now something unexpected!

Hide it! Hide the evidence and they'll never know. But someone saw him kill the victim. No, no, he can't have others find out. So the second victim is felled; it wasn't an accident this time, but he needs no evidence behind. But another witness sees it. When will it end!? He can't handle this; he was doing fine till these people saw him! Did the witness see his last crimes? Well, he can't chance it; third victim is dead. He needs to bury the bodies, though!

Crap, why did it have to come to this? He needs to calm down; he needs to think. What to do? What to do? Hide the evidence, make sure the police don't see a thing. Yes, he's in control now; it's going to be okay, right? No! another sees him burying the bodies! He's on a rush; killing these people, he's found control over a life in which he originally had no control. Well, he can't have witnesses, and what is one more body going to do? So fourth victim is dead, now. He takes the tedious job of cleaning up everything. He's got his life back to normal, right? Everything's fine.

Ack, but the guilt! He looks back and wonders why he got his stresses to him? So he decides to go to the police.
But the police are pinpointing! He's lost control over everything! No, he needs to regain control! He runs away, but he can't... there's a girl... should he kill her too? No time to think; some other dude is here! And darkness.


Ack, the last one is like the first one, but oh well.

No one is going to read those, though :sadshoe: Darn my horrible writing...
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Yellow Magician wrote:
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?

Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.

If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.

Ever.

:lana:


Darke was an idiot. Accidental vehicular manslaughter, while awful, is much less severe than murder, let alone 4-5 murders. I have suprisingly little pity for morons.


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Seriously....

Either that, Or Darke had a twin brother.....

I dunno, I find it extremely hard to pity the man.

The murderer in 2-3 is a completely different story.
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I'd pity him more if he was actually a character, as opposed to some faceless entity that did bad things in the past.


People, get over yourselves, and get over Darke.

Trying to put character on this guy is like trying to put character on Frank Sawhit.
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did ur parents di or somefin

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Caelestis wrote:
Spoiler: The Mix
He's driving; he's stressed. He's usually so intelligent, but his thoughts wander He hates his life; he needs something, a change. Crash! He hits someone! No, they're dead! He can't handle this; he's usually so in control, but now something unexpected!

Hide it! Hide the evidence and they'll never know. But someone saw him kill the victim. No, no, he can't have others find out. So the second victim is felled; it wasn't an accident this time, but he needs no evidence behind. But another witness sees it. When will it end!? He can't handle this; he was doing fine till these people saw him! Did the witness see his last crimes? Well, he can't chance it; third victim is dead. He needs to bury the bodies, though!

Crap, why did it have to come to this? He needs to calm down; he needs to think. What to do? What to do? Hide the evidence, make sure the police don't see a thing. Yes, he's in control now; it's going to be okay, right? No! another sees him burying the bodies! He's on a rush; killing these people, he's found control over a life in which he originally had no control. Well, he can't have witnesses, and what is one more body going to do? So fourth victim is dead, now. He takes the tedious job of cleaning up everything. He's got his life back to normal, right? Everything's fine.

Ack, but the guilt! He looks back and wonders why he got his stresses to him? So he decides to go to the police.
But the police are pinpointing! He's lost control over everything! No, he needs to regain control! He runs away, but he can't... there's a girl... should he kill her too? No time to think; some other dude is here! And darkness.


I think that just summarised my thoughts on Darke's character perfectly. I don't neccessarily think Darke was a good person, but I don't believe he was some awful horrible evil spawn of Satan some people make him out to be. I think he was unstable and the police obviously handled their investigation horrible wrong. (I sound like a broken record.)

I think it's just because where I am, we're very lenient on punishments, but I feel pity for most criminals, because, generically speaking, no one ever wants to be the "bad guy." Everyone thinks there is justice in what they are doing. You think what you're doing is on the side of "good." But really, is it? No one wants to be evil. No one tries to be. We're all a mix. I think Capcom does a very good job in portraying that-- or allowing the fans to imagine so. I think that's why I'm able to pity them, because they feel so human to me, and therefore I know they could not be all evil.

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-- I don't understand why you're getting so worked up over a discussion between people? I think you can actually put a character on Joe Darke-- and possibly Frank Sahwit. You just need to look into their actions and think of the natural thought processes of a human being, right?
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All right, we'll make a fanfiction about Joe Darke where it turns out he was the good guy!
Gozu wrote:
omg ur just lik :edgeworth:

did ur parents di or somefin

icer wrote:
Trucy: [Daddy was fired from legal clerk for loitering] Daddy has a fun new job as a street sweeper!
Phoenix: Guess what Apollo, today I swept up some EVIDENCE! ....
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