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I felt kinda sorry for him, I mean really he was just a frightened individual right? An accident turns into something much much worse.
Even when he lost it at the police station it was out of fear.
For a serial killer he's not exactly very malicious himself by the looks of it. Definately not as sinister as that picture of him holding the knife makes him look.
Anyone else feel kinda sorry for Darke?
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Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
He'd have gotten executed for his crimes anyway.
I found it funny though that there always happened to be just ONE single witness each time he committed a crime.
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But Darke was just scared, he even came in for confession and his first murder was just an accident he panicked tis all....
Yeah, but then after that he killed a bunch of other people. Normal not psychos don't do that...
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He still made the wrong choices. AND I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR TRYIG TO HURT EMA. >:O
If only he did....not young Ema that'd be sad but older annoying Ema.
Also sure the other people he killed were just a consequence of the first one he was still just a scared uncertain person with a strong sense of guilt he couldn't bare anyone else knowing so...umm he killed them. Plus he was really sorry
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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He still made the wrong choices. AND I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR TRYIG TO HURT EMA. >:O
If only he did....not young Ema that'd be sad but older annoying Ema.
YES. PLOX KEEL OLDER EMA >.<
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I never had any sympathy for Darke. Sometimes I felt a little bad for the killers (like the murderer in the Berry Big Circus case), but Darke never showed anything in his personality that would make me feel bad for him.
WHAT personality?
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
He'd have gotten executed for his crimes anyway.
Except Gumshoe says that there wasn't any evidence that he killed his first 5 victims...
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NinjaMonkey wrote:
Wrestler Hatman wrote:
NinjaMonkey wrote:
I have a bit of sympathy for Darke, only because he was executed for a crime he didn't commit.
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
Killing 5 people and attempting to kill another is pretty inexcusable, though...
He'd have gotten executed for his crimes anyway.
Except Gumshoe says that there wasn't any evidence that he killed his first 5 victims...
Correct they had to forge evidence....though he did confess...but as PW has shown a confession doesn't mean a guilty verdict. Also he was kinda dead so don't get on at him for personality.
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I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?
Yeah really when you think about it he felt the worst about his murders, he didn't want anyone to know about it.
He'd probably have killed himself if he hadn't went to confess.Though I wouldn't compare him to Dahlia she was pure evil unlike Darke.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?
Yeah really when you think about it he felt the worst about his murders, he didn't want anyone to know about it.
He'd probably have killed himself if he hadn't went to confess.Though I wouldn't compare him to Dahlia she was pure evil unlike Darke.
Still, he committed more crimes to hide the original one. That is very much the same thing she did.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I do feel bad for Darke. He reminds me very much of a male Dahlia Hawthorne, only it was all an accident, and he was actually sorry for his crimes. He panicked. He got scared. I don't think anyone here can accurately judge him, because they haven't been in his situation. If they think he shouldn't have sympathy because he killed, I'd like to see them in his shoes. What would THEY do, I wonder?
Yeah really when you think about it he felt the worst about his murders, he didn't want anyone to know about it.
He'd probably have killed himself if he hadn't went to confess.Though I wouldn't compare him to Dahlia she was pure evil unlike Darke.
Still, he committed more crimes to hide the original one. That is very much the same thing she did.
Yeah but her original crime wasn't accidental and to be fair....the others she killed weren't entirely sure something was wrong (Phoenix was oblivious to the poison as was Terry Fawles) whereas the people Darke killed where killed out of nessecity because they had most definately witnessed something.
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Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Are you being sarcastic? Seriously, if you got in a car accident you would stab a bunch of people with a switch knife and hide their bodies and clean up the crime scene? None of that falls into the "something anyone would do" category.
Plus I really don't buy that a man running entirely on panic could clean up his murders so well that an army of police detectives couldn't find a single piece of evidence linking him to the crime. All the victims are named, which means all their bodies were found. When Darke came in to confess he even had a weapon on him which may or may not have been used on at least one of the victims. But there was not a single drop of blood on him, no fibers, no fingerprints, nothing on his car or at the scenes? It takes a lot of time and work to kill that cleanly let alone five times in a row, especially when we've seen through the game how weak evidence in support of a killer can be.
If only one of the victims had written his name in the dirt, he'd be a dead man.
What Darke did required time, effort, concentration, and thoroughness. I don't think you can be that calculating and still rely on the "heat of the moment - anyone else would have done the same" excuse. I really don't have any sympathy for him.
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SaraVera wrote:
Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Are you being sarcastic? Seriously, if you got in a car accident you would stab a bunch of people with a switch knife and hide their bodies and clean up the crime scene? None of that falls into the "something anyone would do" category.
Plus I really don't buy that a man running entirely on panic could clean up his murders so well that an army of police detectives couldn't find a single piece of evidence linking him to the crime. All the victims are named, which means all their bodies were found. When Darke came in to confess he even had a weapon on him which may or may not have been used on at least one of the victims. But there was not a single drop of blood on him, no fibers, no fingerprints, nothing on his car or at the scenes? It takes a lot of time and work to kill that cleanly let alone five times in a row, especially when we've seen through the game how weak evidence in support of a killer can be.
If only one of the victims had written his name in the dirt, he'd be a dead man.
What Darke did required time, effort, concentration, and thoroughness. I don't think you can be that calculating and still rely on the "heat of the moment - anyone else would have done the same" excuse. I really don't have any sympathy for him.
Umm well he didn't really clean his murders that well, hell he was spotted 5 times trying to cover them up. While I wouldn't say its something anyone would've done but I wouldn't rule out that an individual particularly one subject to panic attacks might do it, besides there must've been something they had on Darke otherwise they wouldn't have been so absolutely certain he had killed all the people. They couldn't finish him off evidence-wise but there must've been something they had.
Besides regarding the thoroughness and effort maybe whatever Job Darke had was one that required such pernickityness plus since he was so terrified of anyone discovering his murders that he'd kill them it's not so hard to see him doing everything he can to ensure he was never discovered.
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SaraVera wrote:
Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.
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SaraVera wrote:
Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.
If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.
Ever.
Darke was an idiot. Accidental vehicular manslaughter, while awful, is much less severe than murder, let alone 4-5 murders. I have suprisingly little pity for morons.
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1-5 is full of references to the rest of the cases in various ways. I wonder if it was intentional.
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Though, I do still feel some sympathy for him. He seemed to be someone who was very anxious and had a lot of panic attacks. I wouldn't do the same thing in his situation, but I suppose everyone has their "trigger." He was mentally unstable and the fear of getting in trouble for an accidental murder just sent him into a state of panic. Though what he did may be unexcusable, I still feel sympathy for him as I don't think the police went about their investigation and persecution correctly according to his condition..
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Yellow Magician wrote:
SaraVera wrote:
Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.
If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.
Ever.
Darke was an idiot. Accidental vehicular manslaughter, while awful, is much less severe than murder, let alone 4-5 murders. I have suprisingly little pity for morons.
+1 for hoping they never get licenses if they're serious.
While vehicular manslaughter does yield a lesser sentence, from the point of view of a very selfish person who likes to take everything easy (like me for example), it still means a sentence. Now I'm not saying I'd kill more people. I'd just pin the blame on another person, or, if not possible, try to pin the blame on the victim (He run out in front of my car, and I had teh right of way! Honest!). I'm not trying to justify what he did, just trying to point out that it wasn't moronic at all. Had his plan worked, he would've stayed out of jail, period. If he had Phoenix's luck it would've worked too. Hell he would've stayed out of jail if he didn't surrender himself. You have to give him credit for not leaving any evidence or traces thereof for that matter, that takes brains.
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He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.
Really it can all be blamed on insanity. He went insane momentarily and thus killed some people. Just a sign of an unstable mind. >>
So yes, all in all I feel sorry for him.
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Tara von Karma wrote:
He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.
The order, actually, is like this...
1) He runs over the guy, buries the body, is seen by a witness.
2) He kills the witness in 1), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
3) He kills the witness in 2), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
4) He kills the witness in 3), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
5) He kills the witness in 4), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
Oh and did I mention he cleans up really well after himself? No it cannot be attributed to temporary insanity. And you can't claim 5 counts of temporary insanity without claiming diminished capacity. Which of course, would get him locked up in an asylum, or dead.
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Lighthaven wrote:
Tara von Karma wrote:
He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.
The order, actually, is like this...
1) He runs over the guy, buries the body, is seen by a witness.
2) He kills the witness in 1), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
3) He kills the witness in 2), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
4) He kills the witness in 3), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
5) He kills the witness in 4), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
Oh and did I mention he cleans up really well after himself? No it cannot be attributed to temporary insanity. And you can't claim 5 counts of temporary insanity without claiming diminished capacity. Which of course, would get him locked up in an asylum, or dead.
Unfortunately he never got the chance to get sentenced to an asylum, he was killed before court still I think we lack the details to determine the circumstances of the murder. For all we know it could've been on a quiet country road and it was only the odd person who stopped to ask what he was doing who got murdered. Besides while there would have been blood for most of the victims (I don't know enough about car accidents to determine whether much blood would be on his car) he could easily have ditched the switchknife by driving a few miles down the road and lobbing it into a country field or something, it's small and unlikely to get found far from the crime scene or the suspects property and usual haunts. It wouldn't have been that hard for him to cover it up.
Random Speculation: He has the look of an undertaker or mortician maybe he knows something about digging graves that would mean the police would find them? This part baffles me.
Also Lighthaven your copy paste skills fail you...in your order there is still one extra witness who saw him.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Lighthaven wrote:
Tara von Karma wrote:
He crashes into this guy, realizes he killed him, freaks out and from the fear and etc kills everyone [to save himself]. When he realizes what he did he buries the bodies etc, etc, etc. THEN he realized later what he did and tried to escape [probably] before coming to his senses and turning himself in.
The order, actually, is like this...
1) He runs over the guy, buries the body, is seen by a witness.
2) He kills the witness in 1), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
3) He kills the witness in 2), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
4) He kills the witness in 3), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
5) He kills the witness in 4), buries the body, is seen by a witness.
Oh and did I mention he cleans up really well after himself? No it cannot be attributed to temporary insanity. And you can't claim 5 counts of temporary insanity without claiming diminished capacity. Which of course, would get him locked up in an asylum, or dead.
Unfortunately he never got the chance to get sentenced to an asylum, he was killed before court still I think we lack the details to determine the circumstances of the murder. For all we know it could've been on a quiet country road and it was only the odd person who stopped to ask what he was doing who got murdered. Besides while there would have been blood for most of the victims (I don't know enough about car accidents to determine whether much blood would be on his car) he could easily have ditched the switchknife by driving a few miles down the road and lobbing it into a country field or something, it's small and unlikely to get found far from the crime scene or the suspects property and usual haunts. It wouldn't have been that hard for him to cover it up.
Random Speculation: He has the look of an undertaker or mortician maybe he knows something about digging graves that would mean the police would find them? This part baffles me.
Also Lighthaven your copy paste skills fail you...in your order there is still one extra witness who saw him.
Yeah, forgot to delete that last part. And no, not necessarily, it depends where the car hit if there's blood. Ditching the knife wouldn't be any good either. It was determined that he originally kept it to defend himself, so I don't think he'd ditch it that easily.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Yellow Magician wrote:
SaraVera wrote:
Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.
If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.
Ever.
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Yellow Magician wrote:
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If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.
Ever.
Ever.
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Tell me about it, last week I had to bury five bodies because of my latest car crash. You need to be extra careful sometimes, you know?
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Spoiler: He's Cold-Blooded
Or it's a mix of the two, which would probably look like this:
Spoiler: The Mix
Ack, the last one is like the first one, but oh well.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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SaraVera wrote:
Really, doesn't it seem like something anyone would do in that situation?
Yeah, well obviously Darky-boy had a bad day at work and one thing lead to another. It could happen to anyone, really.
If you two are serious, I hope you never get driver's licenses.
Ever.
Darke was an idiot. Accidental vehicular manslaughter, while awful, is much less severe than murder, let alone 4-5 murders. I have suprisingly little pity for morons.
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Seriously....
Either that, Or Darke had a twin brother.....
I dunno, I find it extremely hard to pity the man.
The murderer in 2-3 is a completely different story.
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People, get over yourselves, and get over Darke.
Trying to put character on this guy is like trying to put character on Frank Sawhit.
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I think that just summarised my thoughts on Darke's character perfectly. I don't neccessarily think Darke was a good person, but I don't believe he was some awful horrible evil spawn of Satan some people make him out to be. I think he was unstable and the police obviously handled their investigation horrible wrong. (I sound like a broken record.)
I think it's just because where I am, we're very lenient on punishments, but I feel pity for most criminals, because, generically speaking, no one ever wants to be the "bad guy." Everyone thinks there is justice in what they are doing. You think what you're doing is on the side of "good." But really, is it? No one wants to be evil. No one tries to be. We're all a mix. I think Capcom does a very good job in portraying that-- or allowing the fans to imagine so. I think that's why I'm able to pity them, because they feel so human to me, and therefore I know they could not be all evil.
Emperor Ing -- I don't understand why you're getting so worked up over a discussion between people? I think you can actually put a character on Joe Darke-- and possibly Frank Sahwit. You just need to look into their actions and think of the natural thought processes of a human being, right?
Thank you ILoveMaxGalactica* for the signature~
Re: Sympathy for the Darke?
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