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I've found something out...
What if the Bullet had missed Von Karma?
What if the bullet had missed by about an inch?
Just that tiny inch may have effected the whole game.
Manfred would have never had the urge to shoot Gregory, he may have damaged his record, but the real reason he killed him was because he believed he had shot him.
Therefor, Gregory would be alive, and Edgeworth would never had heard of Von Karma, therefor, Edgeworth would be an Attorney.
Edgeworth and Phoenix would have never been apart, so Phoenix wouldn't have wanted to become a DA, Therefor never going to the Court House, therefor, not meeting Dahlia.
Misty Fey would have never gone missing, so Mia wouldn't have become an attorney, or gotten involved with Dahlia or Redd White, so she'd be alive.
Diego Armando may have never died, seeing as Grossberg would handle the case himself, he only got connected with the case because he wanted to see Mia's first trial.
Who knows about the Feys, though? Maybe Misty would have been killed along with Mia and Maya? DL-6 Didn't effect Dahlia?
That's all I can come up with, but.. yeah.
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Dekuran wrote:
I've found something out...
What if the Bullet had missed Von Karma?
What if the bullet had missed by about an inch?
Just that tiny inch may have effected the whole game.
Manfred would have never had the urge to shoot Gregory, he may have damaged his record, but the real reason he killed him was because he believed he had shot him.
Therefor, Gregory would be alive, and Edgeworth would never had heard of Von Karma, therefor, Edgeworth would be an Attorney.
Edgeworth and Phoenix would have never been apart, so Phoenix wouldn't have wanted to become a DA, Therefor never going to the Court House, therefor, not meeting Dahlia.
Misty Fey would have never gone missing, so Mia wouldn't have become an attorney, or gotten involved with Dahlia or Redd White, so she'd be alive.
Diego Armando may have never died, seeing as Grossberg would handle the case himself, he only got connected with the case because he wanted to see Mia's first trial.
Who knows about the Feys, though? Maybe Misty would have been killed along with Mia and Maya? DL-6 Didn't effect Dahlia?
That's all I can come up with, but.. yeah.


1) Manfred killed Gregory because of the penalty on the record, not because he thought that he shot him.
2) Phoenix wanted to become a prosecutor, therefore, he would still have needed to go to the courthouse to study and stuff.
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If it's a long quote, don't quote it... :yogi:
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Amy wrote:
1) Manfred killed Gregory because of the penalty on the record, not because he thought that he shot him.
2) Phoenix wanted to become a prosecutor, therefore, he would still have needed to go to the courthouse to study and stuff.


1) I don't know if he would have cared about opening the elevator, unless he was shot. But, maybe you're right.
2) A prosecutor?
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He didn't want to be a prosecutor... He said that if he knew that Larry had done it, he would've become a prosecutor.


...This game as a ton of what ifs. This is just another one... (What if Edgey had actually accused Larry in the classroom trial? What if Gregory told the truth? What if Phoenix gave the necklace back to Dollie? What if Dollie died after she fell off the bridge?)
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There was actually a discussion a while back about von Karma being the most important character in the whole series. I stick with that opinion.
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Von Karma was angry at Gregory Edgeworth for ruining his perfect record, but I think what finally did it was him being shot. He was shot and after a horrible day, that just was the final straw. He couldn't even had known who was inside the elevator when he openned it in rage. He just wanted to get back at somebody, he wasn't thinking of shooting someone, just to start screaming and go insane. But then he saw the person who had ruined his record and near them a gun. That man must have shot him. So he took the gun and shot the man he hated most.

So, really, it was both the shooting and the penalty that equally made him kill Gregory Edgeworth. So your theory still stands.

But if we continue on this line of logic:

Diego and Mia would have never met and would have never fallen in love.
Diego would have been the defense attorney for State vs. Fawles. Dahlia wouldn't ever have been caught (cute girls never lie) Dahlia would continue a normal life. (she only did all those crimes to cover up the past ones)
Franziska would never start prosecuting in America. Franziska would possible even MORE fucked up than she is now.
Spoiler: GS4
Kristoph would never had gone in jail. Apollo would probably end up resorting to the same acts Kristoph was doing. Trucy would be homeless.

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I think there is a topic like this somewhere....."What if the bullet had just been stuck in the elevator door?"

Phoenix would never have met Maya
Mia Wouldnt have died

basically the whole series would fall apart!
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Essa_L_M.E wrote:
basically the whole series would fall apart!

If that bullet went a few inches to the left, we wouldn't have Ace Attorney...

Ah, chaos theory, how I don't know whether I love or loathe ye.
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Wow.. how one little fictional bullet can indirectly influence my life. :pealshock:
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What if it had killed him?
... That'd warp the series EVEN MORE. DDD:
Spoiler: GS4 Spoilers
WAIT
If Phoenix was never a lawyer...
Kristoph would have taken Zak's case. O_________o''
Then... Kristoph would have lived normally.
I guess.

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Dekuran wrote:
What if it had killed him?
... That'd warp the series EVEN MORE. DDD:
Spoiler: GS4 Spoilers
WAIT
If Phoenix was never a lawyer...
Kristoph would have taken Zak's case. O_________o''
Then... Kristoph would have lived normally.
I guess.


As would Dahlia I guess...

Spoiler: GS4
Kristoph would still be an immoral lawyer.


Wait, if it killed him? What the hell would've happened to Franziska?

Haha, would Gregory Edgeworth adopt her? That would've been interesting...

oh god, that wouldn't work at all.
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Dekuran wrote:
Spoiler: GS4 Spoilers
WAIT
If Phoenix was never a lawyer...

What if Phoenix was never helped as a child?
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All of these questions can be answered with: Then we wouldn't have a deliciously glorious game that takes up all our free time.
I try not to speculate on "What ifs". It is what it is - that's one of my rules. :godot:

Although I must say, if Gregory had never been killed, Miles would probably be a defense attorney... without a cravat!? (the horrors!!!) :wacky-edgy:
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Franziska would have perhaps figured out what her dad did. O_______O
Maybe.
Spoiler: GS4 Spoilers
Nothing would change unless she did something about it.
If Kristoph were against his brother, then he would have never had to forge evidence.
Zak would've been found innocent, and lived with Trucy.
Apollo wouldn't be able to solve 2-2 without knowing Trucy, seeing as her panties were the key to the case.
Therefor, Wocky would've been found guilty, and therefor, died from the bullet...
If Apollo failed 4-2, he'd never have been invited to the concert in 4-3,
He would have never met Lamiroir, and Phoenix wouldn't have been there, so Apollo would never have found his mother.
If Kristoph never forged Evidence, Drew Misham or Vera would've never been killed.
And Phoenix, now a hobo never would have constructed the Jurist's system and the world of law would've collapsed.

... All because of a bullet.
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Here's one for you. How about if Mia met (and befriended) Dahlia and Iris while they were still kids in Kurain village?
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This topic has already been beaten to death a few times: what if Gregory hadn't died, what if Karma hadn't done that, what if Gant hadn't done this etc... the game simply wouldn't exist. It's something better left to fanfiction because "What if the game was nothing like it is now" isn't much of a discussion (even if there weren't already several threads that have explored it).
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