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hi everyone my question is when did manfred die? and how? (and for the people who go to ask it YES i played the game but i can't find it)
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I don't think it's explicitly stated how or when he died. It is just referenced when Franziska is introduced that she "lost her father." So there's some room for fanfic interpretation there. XD

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His death is implied in JFA ("No matter what you do, it won't bring your father back"), but not clearly confirmed.
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It's referenced again in T&T. Phoenix says that he is "gone from this world" and says that Franizska lost her father "fairly recently." I don't remember the lines from JFA; I probably interpreted it as him being in prison rather than dead (I also played JFA before the original, so I may not have fully understood what Phoenix meant.)

If he was executed, it's unusual that it would happen within a year. Manfred was old; he could have easily died of natural causes like a heart attack. Since he had a nervous breakdown in court, I wouldn't put suicide past him either.
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Am I the only one that thinks that Manfred is just in jail and not dead "It wont bring your father back" because he's in jail maybe ?
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Hmm....given the court system in AA, he was probably tried and executed a little less than a month after Case 1-5........ :udgy:
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Am I the only one that thinks that Manfred is just in jail and not dead "It wont bring your father back" because he's in jail maybe ?


Even if he was still alive in JFA, he's definitely dead by T&T, because Phoenix draws a parallel between her and Maya having both lost a parent (iirc...)
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Am I the only one that thinks that Manfred is just in jail and not dead "It wont bring your father back" because he's in jail maybe ?


Even if he was still alive in JFA, he's definitely dead by T&T, because Phoenix draws a parallel between her and Maya having both lost a parent (iirc...)


Ayup, that's correct.

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Joe Darke was executed within two years of being convicted, meaning Manfred could have possibily been executed by JFA, and definitely by T&T.

There would also be "no way to bring him back" if he had a life sentence with no chance of parole, so that's still an option. (...I like to think of him being executed, though, personally.)
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Yes, but this is the same court system that took 5 or 7 (sorry havn't played T&T in a while) years to execute Dahlia.

I vote for the natural causes theory. Or murdered in prison, which is quite likely given his record as a prosecutor.
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Joe Darke was executed within two years of being convicted, meaning Manfred could have possibily been executed by JFA, and definitely by T&T.

There would also be "no way to bring him back" if he had a life sentence with no chance of parole, so that's still an option. (...I like to think of him being executed, though, personally.)

While I'm also of the opinion that Manfred is dead, we have no proof that he was executed this quickly. After all, how many years was it from conviction to execution for Dahlia? Certainly more than a mere two.
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Must've died in prison then.....possibly suicide or what neo said.....
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There's also no proof Manfred wasn't executed that quickly.

I think it is just up to interpretation, and the time of the execution date varies by case. Either that, or the 2016fuckedupfictional!California law says to be lenient on girls. Dahlia and Manfred directly murdered the same amount of people (two), but Dahlia's execution was stated in clear detail. Terry Fawles "murdered" one person, and was sitting on Death Row for five years before being accused of a second murder. Joe Darke "killed" about six people before he was convicted, but he was dead in two years.

So... who knows. Don't look for consistency here. :moe-laugh:
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I kind of doubt Manfred would have been murdered in prison. If the authorities feel that a prisoner is in danger, or if the prisoner him/herself feels threatened, they might be placed in solitary confinement for their own safety. I doubt Manfred would want a cellmate anyway (unless it's Gant for the lolz).
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General Luigi wrote:
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Joe Darke was executed within two years of being convicted, meaning Manfred could have possibily been executed by JFA, and definitely by T&T.

There would also be "no way to bring him back" if he had a life sentence with no chance of parole, so that's still an option. (...I like to think of him being executed, though, personally.)

While I'm also of the opinion that Manfred is dead, we have no proof that he was executed this quickly. After all, how many years was it from conviction to execution for Dahlia? Certainly more than a mere two.

But the fact that Darke was executed in two years shows it's possible in their legal system to be executed pretty quickly. I wasn't saying that he was definitely executed >_>
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phoenixwrightmaster, your name is rather misleading..


I think that Manfred killed himself anyway because he's no longer perfect D=
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maybe manfred die after he did banged with his head against the wall
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Yes, but this is the same court system that took 5 or 7 (sorry havn't played T&T in a while) years to execute Dahlia.

I vote for the natural causes theory. Or murdered in prison, which is quite likely given his record as a prosecutor.


And that Terry Fawles was on death row for 5 years (iirc) before the trial.

In actual life, doesn't it take about 5-7 years to make sure that there's time for new evidence to unearth?
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In actual life, doesn't it take about 5-7 years to make sure that there's time for new evidence to unearth?


Real court procedure doesn't mean much in this case. And there is the issue of whether or not the prisoner in question was trying to appeal. Terry always maintained his innocence, and Dahlia might have tried stalling her execution with good behavior or court appeals. Manfred on the other hand confessed, and seemed willing to accept his fate. Maybe that's why his execution came so swiftly--maybe he asked for it?
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Manfred on the other hand confessed, and seemed willing to accept his fate. Maybe that's why his execution came so swiftly--maybe he asked for it?


That sounds about right. He devoted his whole life to his perfectionist ways. Having all that taken away in 1-4, he had nothing else to live for and requested an immediate death penalty.
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I always though he was dead by JFA, and was reference in T&T for new players. All other theories aside, I think one of the people he sent to the smaller could have killed him there, but then again, heartattack, suicide, execution, spazattack is all possibilities aswell.
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now why is everyone saying hes dead...loosing a parent can be applied in many ways...pearls mother is in prison as well, sure she can visit her but its for a short period and such its still the same as loosing them...

he could be dead but unless they actually say it, to me hes not.
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I guess the "losing a father" depends on the interpretation of the player, unless Capcom reveals information otherwise. I actually only thought that meant he was in prison, to say the least.
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