Phoenix Write - The Phoenix Wright case creation tool...

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:48 pm

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As the old forum isn't being used anymore, I have decided to create a new topic here as there are still questions that need answering. Please look at the thread on the old forum:

http://z11.invisionfree.com/court_records/index.php?showtopic=2742

I don't have any updates yet, as I thought it would be a good idea to wait a while until I can surprise you with something great, no? To answer HyperJerk's question right after my last post - I don't know about MP3 support. You've got to be very lazy to not spend about five minutes downloading an MP3 to OGG converter. You guys go on about large filesizes, but the OGG format is better quality and smaller. Plus, it's better at looping music. Look, you can find various converters here: http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tg=dl-20&qt=MP3%20to%20OGG&tag=srch.

I still need somebody to get back to me on the music issue. I am afraid I can't make Phoenix Write entirely alone. Not the music, anyway. If you read my last post, you'll see what I asked about that. Thanks.

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Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:00 pm

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~~Well About the Music, I was wondering.. Will there be MP3 Support?~~

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Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:02 pm

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HyperJerk wrote:

Well About the Music, I was wondering.. Will there be MP3 Support?

Shaun wrote:

To answer HyperJerk's question right after my last post - I don't know about MP3 support. You've got to be very lazy to not spend about five minutes downloading an MP3 to OGG converter. You guys go on about large filesizes, but the OGG format is better quality and smaller. Plus, it's better at looping music. Look, you can find various converters here: http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.htm ... &tag=srch.

...I think your question was already answered, HyperJerk?

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Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:06 pm

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Heh.

I've gotten the actual programmer of MMF to help me out with a text issue in-game and when that's fixed I'll be able to do loads. Expect an update soon.

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:09 am

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That looks pretty slick, though if I might offer constructive critisism, if that's the level of music to expect you really should be sure to mp3 support. I don't know what kind of scripts you're running for the sound, but if cut and edited properly mp3s could be ordered/configured to play in sequence then looped to make it sound identicle to the actual game. Sound quality is a very important part of the gaming experience, and if at all possible should be as close to the actual game as possilbe, just like the graphics.

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:44 pm

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TheRedPriest wrote:

That looks pretty slick, though if I might offer constructive critisism, if that's the level of music to expect you really should be sure to mp3 support. I don't know what kind of scripts you're running for the sound, but if cut and edited properly mp3s could be ordered/configured to play in sequence then looped to make it sound identicle to the actual game. Sound quality is a very important part of the gaming experience, and if at all possible should be as close to the actual game as possilbe, just like the graphics.

Ngh.

I'm sorry, but if you read the thread properly I am sure I said the IT music was temporary. Please, please, you must all read more about the MP3 format. Sadshoe

It stinks. Just because it's the most popular doesn't mean it's the best. For your information, MP3 files can't loop seamlessly. There is always a gap at the end. That's where OGG comes in. Plus, if I can get identical MIDI working it will be just like the real thing, it will loop, and it will be small in size (unlike MP3s - if you use MP3s cases will be way over ten megs! Ack

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:49 pm

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I Guess that true.
The Cases should only be 5-10Mb.
In anycase. How far is the Project? Maybe a Blog or a Status bar is in order?

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Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:00 pm

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Thanks for your interest, HyperJerk. It hasn't progressed much since you last saw it, which is simply because of a problem with the text. However, a very intelligent programmer should kindly sort this out for me (because oh boy, he doesn't want to see my reaction if he doesn't). Gymshoe

A blog's not a bad idea, though I think simple threads on here are okay for the moment. A status bar isn't a great idea though as there's so much I want to put into this project. It'll be impossible to predict how far I am with it.

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:13 am

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You need a place to store Finished cases. A site where peoples cases can be dowloaded and played by people around the word! ^_^

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:56 pm

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I must update you on the project. You all have my apologies, but due to problems in my personal life, development of the project has been postponed until I fix things. I wish things were easier, but I guess it's not very easy to survive in the world we live in.

The project is not over. It never will be. I will keep making it until it's done. It's just delayed for a short amount of time. I need to sort out my life, and everything is stressing me out. So, sorry to disappoint, but it seems there are two others now who are happy to compete with me. This isn't a race, but they'll probably beat me to it.

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:58 pm

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Hey, there's no problems ^_^ You just need to concentrate on it being the best It can be and the only way you can do that is sort everything out in your Personal Life :)

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:02 pm

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I already know how to make it the best. Though, I am still waiting for the guy to help fix the text issue, so I may be able to fix most things in my life in that time anyway. I think I'm going to take on an apprenticeship - being a computer technician. Not the ideal job I have in mind but it's better than nothing and I hate to say it, but if I'm earning money I'll be happier. Money is happiness.

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:13 pm

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I think that if you want a certain job, you really can't do it immediatly. Doing this apprenticiship will get you the money that could help you get the job you want later. ^_^

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Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:21 pm

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Of course I can't get the ideal job I want immediately. I just wish things went a little bit better for me academically. I didn't do bad, but I could have done better. Anyway, thanks for your posts but I think it's best if we stay on topic or let this thread die.

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:10 am

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Sorry for the bump, but since you said in the other topic that everything is able to be customized I figured I might as well throw these questions:

Given the correct file, will the courtroom itself be able to be changed? Let's say we wanted a courtroom that has been blown up and is more like the ruins of the courtroom. If I wanted to make a game like that, would I be able to?

Also, will the already-implimented evidence be able to be changed? I'm talking about Phoenix's Badge - can that be removed even though it is by default there?

Thanks in advance.

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:19 am

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From what I've been told about the tool itself, you probably could. You would probably have to make 6 sprite backgrounds. 1) The Whole of the courtroom
2) Phoenix's side
3) Edgeworths side
4) Witnesses middle bit
5) Judges bit
6) Aide's bit (Where Mia and Maya stand)

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:29 pm

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Gerkuman wrote:

From what I've been told about the tool itself, you probably could. You would probably have to make 6 sprite backgrounds.
1) The Whole of the courtroom
2) Phoenix's side
3) Edgeworths side
4) Witnesses middle bit
5) Judges bit
6) Aide's bit (Where Mia and Maya stand)

Actually, no. Defense, Witness and Prosecution are all connection in one big image with some transition effect between them. So you would need:

1) The Defense <-> Prosecution strip
2) Courtroom overview
3) Aide
4) Judge

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Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:02 pm

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Frsrsly, if you can get this finished, I'm sure I'll love you forever.

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:46 pm

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Mikker is correct. You would change the big graphic with the transition and any other graphics that show the courtroom. Thanks for posting, and I am now resuming work on Phoenix Write. Sadly, red and green text can't be implemented right now but it should be possible next month.

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Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:45 pm

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Michael Jackson wrote:

Given the correct file, will the courtroom itself be able to be changed? Let's say we wanted a courtroom that has been blown up and is more like the ruins of the courtroom. If I wanted to make a game like that, would I be able to?

This had better be purely for instance, if you're actually considering that idea then, well...

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So exactly what all can this thing do so far?

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:27 am

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Danbo Daxter wrote:

This had better be purely for instance, if you're actually considering that idea then, well...

Come on! You can't deny that would be awesome. Imagine, a witness on the stand, who knows he's guilty, goes into a fit of rampage, takes out a bomb. Then the screen goes black and the textbox shakes. The screen slowly opens up again and the courtroom is destroyed. There could even be sprites for Phoenix like he's brutally injured! Hobohodo

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How's about an option for your character to be a prosecutor? That would be awesome.

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:33 pm

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If you made the sprites, you could. ^_^ He said it was fully customisable, so it must be possible!

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:08 pm

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Billiards Koopa wrote:

How's about an option for your character to be a prosecutor? That would be awesome.

I concur. An option to make a case from the prosecutor's side would indeed be awesome.

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:23 pm

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I can't wait to see how you go with this. I didn't get to post in your thread on the old forum, but from what you've posted it seems this is going to be very good.

Billiards Koopa wrote:

How's about an option for your character to be a prosecutor? That would be awesome.

I think working on the defense alone should be enough. No need to go into territory the regular games don't even touch upon, really.

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:37 pm

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Michael Jackson, that's a cool idea. With what I have planned for the engine I do not see why that wouldn't be possible. I never thought of letting users change courtroom graphics mid-case but I think I can easily implement that feature when I progress more.

LoG, I've hardly been working on this program. Furthermore, due to recent troubles, I had stopped working on it for a while. Please be patient. Anybody who takes on such a mind-boggling task will have to slave away for hours at their computer. Don't assume I can just click my fingers and make this happen. It's within my grasp, but it takes time and effort.

I never thought about adding an option for the player to be a prosecutor. It's a nice idea. Alas, it would consume considerable time. I will put it on my 'perhaps' list.

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:16 pm

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Michael Jackson wrote:

Come on! You can't deny that would be awesome. Imagine, a witness on the stand, who knows he's guilty, goes into a fit of rampage, takes out a bomb. Then the screen goes black and the textbox shakes. The screen slowly opens up again and the courtroom is destroyed. There could even be sprites for Phoenix like he's brutally injured! Hobohodo

See, this is why I don't like the idea of a fancase creator.

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:30 pm

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Of course people are going to be creative. You're the one who has the choice of playing the custom case or not.

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:12 pm

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I don't think having the player be the prosecutor would really be that hard... All you'd have to do would be to train the camera on the prosecutor side whenever you had to make a choice, flip the "aide" screen around to be the prosecutor's aide rather than the defense's, and have "Guilty" be winning. It doesn't really require any significant change...

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:12 pm

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I Have a question... On the games the music loops and doesnt play the intro again. Can you supply that effect?

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:12 pm

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Wow, this looks pretty good. Will you be able to make your own investigations as well?

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Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:51 pm

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Kayube, that's easier said than done. You can take my seat and work on it if you like? After all, you're forgetting something. The main goal in the courtroom is of course to prove your client innocent. This, involves cross examinations. There would be no cross examinations with the prosecution. So, what would you do?

HyperJerk, that's what the MOD music formats do. Sadly, the IT files that were posted on this forum were not only unfinished, but they didn't loop. I need to find somebody who can produce perfect quality IT files or I don't know what the hell I'm going to do about the music.

DarkFlood, yes, everything will be possible. This reminds me of something else I forgot to bring up a while ago. I will indeed try and recreate a few cases from AA 1-3, but I will not distribute them. And when it's released, I will not allow people to distribute any copies of AA 1-3 cases either (or 4). Why? It's illegal. It's going to be my ass on the line if that happens. Fan cases, fine. Copies of cases you pay for, not fine.

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:12 am

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In a real courtroom, aren't there cross examinations from both the defense and prosecution?
With that being said, pehpas you can change the Phoenix Wright system a little if a player was prosecuter and have them cross examine as well. But that would be just like defense.

Another thing possible is that you kind of test the defense when they're cross examinating. For example, let's say that with every statement the witness says, the defense presses on it. When they speak, you then have the opportunity to counter their statement. Then of course, the judge asks you to back it up, blah blah blah.

I know this is way easier typed than done, but I'm just trying to point out a way it would work. Matt

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:27 pm

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I think it'd be quite pointless to go out of your way to implement features that aren't even in the games :| If people want to go out of their way to use your program so that you control the prosecution then no problem but, uh... it's quite hard to implement features when you don't really know how they should be executed, and peoples' opinions of how to control the prosecution would differ.

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:04 pm

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I cannot disagree that what Michael's suggested is an infinitely cool idea. I guess you'd just counter the defense's claims and then if you don't provide enough evidence to get a guilty verdict, you lose. Hmm.

*ponders*

How many members here actually want me to make this engine anyway? Sadshoe

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:16 pm

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12+ people :3 Thats good considering you're not too far into it ^_^

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:17 pm

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I guess so. I do have the power to make this happen. I want to produce something new to show soon, actually. But I appreciate the feedback I have so far received.

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:22 pm

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Make that 13+

This looks really promising, and though I might not do much with it myself I can't wait to see what becomes of it. I'm experienced with trackers, so I may be able to contribute some music. I don't know if I can recreate 3 complete soundtracks (after all, in addition to school about to start, I have soundtracks of my own to complete :)) but I could probably throw together some courtroom music.

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Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:29 pm

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I do need somebody who can produce music in the .IT format. You may have difficulty getting the instruments from the actual DS ROM though. I doubt I'd ever need any entire soundtrack creating.

However, I do plan to create an entire Phoenix Write game with four or five cases once I've released the engine and a few test cases. Obviously, you don't have too much time on your hands like most people. I do know somebody else who could do this but he's probably busy too. Something like that would need everything. A new Courtroom theme, a new Gyakuten Sisters theme... a new everything.

Also, I'd need a pixel artist, for obvious reasons. I'm not so great at music or art myself.