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Author:  Skuly [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Dl6 vs SL9
Which is a better case?
I prefer SL9
Author:  Liquidzilla [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
I prefere SL9 too, I atually don't remember which ones which, but I know I liked SL9 best.
Author:  The Sandwich [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: DL6 vs SL9
Liquidzilla wrote:
I prefere SL9 too, I atually don't remember which ones which, but I know I liked SL9 best.


Spoiler: Coz I'm so sexy
DL-6's the one where Edgeworth's da dies. SL-9's the one in 1-5.
Author:  SilverZephyr [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:51 pm ]
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SL-9 personally. On so many levels.
Mostly, though, it's the characters. SL-9 has several more characters and they're the most fascinating and likable ones in the game, imo. DL-6 has...well, it pretty much focuses on Edgey, who I love and all but. Besides him, there's von Karma and Yogi and...that's it, really. SL-9 was much more complex character-wise and story-wise. It was also more complex case-wise. DL-6 wasn't as fun to solve because all of the surprising revelations were things that Phoenix seemed to pull out of a hat, but when it came to present evidence the answer was pretty clear. If that made any sense. SL-9 was much more fun. Gant was the most satisfying villain to crack. There were several testimonies instead of just one like in DL-6, and figuring out the puzzle was much more rewarding than with DL-6, I thought. The last trial day of case 5 was my favorite trial day in the entire series, and the ending was just gorgeous.
Author:  Skuly [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:13 pm ]
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SilverZephyr wrote:
SL-9 personally. On so many levels.
Mostly, though, it's the characters. SL-9 has several more characters and they're the most fascinating and likable ones in the game, imo. DL-6 has...well, it pretty much focuses on Edgey, who I love and all but. Besides him, there's von Karma and Yogi and...that's it, really. SL-9 was much more complex character-wise and story-wise. It was also more complex case-wise. DL-6 wasn't as fun to solve because all of the surprising revelations were things that Phoenix seemed to pull out of a hat, but when it came to present evidence the answer was pretty clear. If that made any sense. SL-9 was much more fun. Gant was the most satisfying villain to crack. There were several testimonies instead of just one like in DL-6, and figuring out the puzzle was much more rewarding than with DL-6, I thought. The last trial day of case 5 was my favorite trial day in the entire series, and the ending was just gorgeous.

Same here. :jake: :lana: :starr: :damon: :ema: VS :edgy: :yogi: :karma: ?
EASY.
Author:  Attorney Proto [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:31 pm ]
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DL-6 was boring compared to SL-9. Though, it does explain a lot about Edgeworth, but that doesn't help it top SL-9's awesomeness. SL-9 had that complex story going on behind it with most of the characters in 1-5 involved. Man, it was so intense, one could have sworn 1-5 was about SL-9 rather than Goodman's murder.
Author:  dullahan1 [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:37 pm ]
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I personally prefer SL-9 to DL-6 as well, if not for the more interesting characters and to me, it has the better of the two plots. Sure DL-6 covers Edgey's backstory and all and I love that, but SL-9's plot to me seemed much more interesting to me!!!

(btw Silver, you forgot to include one of the most awesome characters in your description of the DL-6 case...Greogry Edgeworth!!!!! Everyone loves him!!! *shot*)
Author:  Shadowpower709 [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:42 pm ]
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Actually I perfer DL6 *brick'd*
Author:  Dannichu [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:43 pm ]
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I really liked DL6 a lot. Up until then I hadn't liked Edgeworth very much, and the case breathed a kind of... humanity into Edgey that carries into the other games very well. It was a turning point for the characters in the game and I loved the intensity and emotion in it. Manfred was a WONDERFUL villian and the plot twists were always good, even if you could see them coming.
Aside from 2-2 and 2-4, it's the only case to get a real physical reaction from me; lots of "Oh my God!"s and a very loud "METAL DETECTOR!" at the end :D

Not to say that SL9 isn't wonderful, too; my favorite aspect was getting to use forensics - I just adored that, and lots of the characters were wonderful, memorable and managed to avoid being completely annoying and repetitive.

Though I'll say this (and hope that Zephyr doesn't hate me forever afterwards): it took me a long time to grow attached to Ema. She seemed to be a near carbon-copy of Maya with pink glasses and a penchant for beginning every sentence with "Scientifically speaking...". I had grown to love her by the end, but I missed Maya terribly and just felt like Ema was a shamepless replacement/plot device for the first part. I love Lana's character design to bits, and her motive for everything at the end, but she annoyed me a lot at the beginning as well.

Actually, I think that's my problem with SL9. It takes a while to get into and meet a lot of the really good characters or see a likable side to others that were previously annoying. Once the ball starts rolling, it's awesome, but the first bits just take too long to get though, I felt. But, like Zephyr said, the conclusion is absolutely wonderful and heartwarming and <3.
Author:  skye1083 [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:32 pm ]
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SL9 overshadowed DL6, which seems little unfair to me but if they hadn't, the bonus case would have been a waste of time. SL9 is awesome because it had to beat DL6.
Author:  Aetheryn [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:08 pm ]
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In short, I prefer SL-9 to DL-6 by a landside but the latter still holds a nice and lofty place in my heart.
The characters of SL-9 are just plain awesome. :meekins:
Author:  Skuly [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
In more detail than DarzieP's description:
Spoiler: 1-4
In DL6, Von Karma killed Gregory Edgeworth for ruining his perfect record, and Yanni Yogi was accused, but found not guilty be Robert Hammond, the victim of 1-4

Spoiler: 1-5
In SL9, Joe Darke went on a killing spree, owned up, then got arrested. But he escaped during questioning. Then, Damon Gant, chief of police, killed prosecutor Neil Marshell, and framed Ema. Lana then got rid of the evidense incriminating Ema, and then made it to look like Joe Darke killed Marshell. Joe Darke then gets executed.
Author:  Impulse [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:49 pm ]
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Hmmm, I like DL-9 better. Maybe because it has SO MUCH EDGEWORTH EMO. But, DSL-69 is the best out of all of them! :edgy:
Author:  Thorn [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:52 pm ]
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SL9 had a lot of characters and more of a storyline but DL6 was more emotional. Both of them had about the same amout of plot twists. Just to be fair, I'd say it was a tie.
Author:  Daramue [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:52 pm ]
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DL-6.

It felt more epic, and I just thought it was a darker story with a more traumatic after-effect.
Author:  Immortal FeatherLLS [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:19 pm ]
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SL-9
The whole story was messed up, everyone was killing people, lying and stealing. It was crazy! Plus SL-9 gave us Gant, no question to me who's better.

-Rufus
Author:  HyperSomnia [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:43 pm ]
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Much as I love the SL-9 case, I like DL-6 a little better to play through.

Though they are both dark and twisty and SL-9 has the adoreable :gant: , I simply cannot stand Ema. (If she says "Scientifically speaking," one more time...)
To be honest the person I felt the most sympathy for in the case was Joe Darke even if he was a serial killer. And it felt like the DL-6 had a more hopeful ending as well as the adoreable :karma: .

Umm...Skye sister fans might not want to read this...
Spoiler:
Lana was absolutly spineless but just as bad as Gant in terms of the crimes they commited. The "I cant disobey orders" excuse just dosent cut it with me as well as the idea that she did everything to protect Ema. Insted of trying to prove her (minor) sister innocent in the first place she had Gant help her frame Darke and then went to the DA's office knowing full well how he was willing to 'bend the rules' as it were. She got the highest position in the DA's office (not exactly digging ditches) and afterward treated her sister coldly at best afterwards. If she really loved Ema that much, she would have at least treated her kindly rather then like the cause of all her troubles.

Also for such a great detecive, why did dhe instantly asume her sister killed Neil and wasnt set up. There was also Darke in the room after all, not to mention Gant's skill for magic evidance. To not suspect either of them was pretty dumb on her part.
Author:  Aetheryn [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
Impulse wrote:
Hmmm, I like DL-9 better. Maybe because it has SO MUCH EDGEWORTH EMO. But, DSL-69 is the best out of all of them! :edgy:

I liked SL-6 Personally. Edgey emo FTW!
Author:  Connor?! [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:46 am ]
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DL6. It was much more emotional because of the characters attached and tied the game together. Not only that, but von Karma was a brilliant bastard, and Edgeworth got some development.

SL9 definitely had stronger characters (Ema, Lana, Angel, Marshall, Meekins, Gant...) but the story wasn't nearly as involving or deep.
Author:  theevilcubivore [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:06 am ]
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SL-9 is better, but DL-6 has cooler music

If I hear SL-9's music again I'll kill someone.

DL-6 was nothing but a minor murder and framing. Unremarkable compared to most cases. SL-9 was more complicated

Although Von karma is awesome as all hell near the end of the case when you find the truth. I mean in the archives.
Author:  1010 [ Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:37 pm ]
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DL-6. Because i'm an Edgeworth fangirl. And I laughed at Yami Yugi being trapped in an elevator. =D

Seriously though, I hate Rise From The Ashes. SL-9 really wasn't that great IMO.

Spoiler: 1-5... I guess?
And the part where you had to make the vase look like the blue badger was ERG. I wanted to slap everyone. Seriously, what are the odds...? -groans-


DL-6 was a lot more emotional and deep. And, well,

Spoiler: SL-9
It's all Ema's fault IMO.
Author:  Croik [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:31 pm ]
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I agree with what HyperSomnia said. I didn't like SL-9 because it felt kind of contrived and rather ridiculous. The idea that Gant orchestrated so much the instant he encountered two unconscious men, without any premeditation or planning, just felt off to me. What if someone had come in WHILE he was murdering Neil? He took a huge risk for very little reward and in a very roundabout way.

Not to mention I don't understand how Darke was so hard to convict anyway. Wasn't the first person he murdered killed in a car crash? It's not THAT hard to prove a crash given paint transfer and, come on, the car having been involved in a crash. And yet there were like 20 detectives involved who weren't able to find anything. Meanwhile, every other case in the games Gumshoe pretty much handles on his own, and has no problem providing the prosecution with enough evidence to go to trial.

Jake, Angel, Goodman, Gant, and Lana, all on one case, couldn't find/fudge enough evidence to nail Darke on even one of his poorly planned and hastily executed murders. I'm glad half of them got fired and reassigned. :sal:

DL-6 was tied emotionally to every major character in the first game. It was meant to be the connecting point, the overall mystery that tied the game together. In many ways DL-6 is the foundation of the series, with how it ties Phoenix, Edgeworth, and the Feys. Plus it was just bizarre enough without going totally overboard. And that's why I like DL-6 <3
Author:  Ultimate Prosecutor [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:48 pm ]
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I completely agree with Croik.

Also, I think that DL-6 was great character building for edgeworth, and filled with all sorts of controversies without going beyond believable like SL-9 did.
Spoiler: AA 1-4, 1-5 and offhand spoilers about every case result
In SL-9, it took Phoenix and Ema no time to notice the knife in the exhaust pipe, why didn't the police notice for goodness sake? And all that with Marshall, the blue badger and Meekins was pointless.
DL-6 was just great with the twists and turns, and the trust being built between Phoenix and Edgeworth, really building their relationship. The whole idea of the prosecutor being guilty too made a great change from the witness being guilty the whole time.
Author:  Azure Flame [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:51 pm ]
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I liked SL-9 more because of the characters, but I liked DL-6 better because of the epicness.
Author:  Connor?! [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:43 pm ]
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In favour of SL9 though, it has the best line in the game.

"The cheif's organ sure is a sight to behold."
Author:  Raven Darkheart [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:14 pm ]
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Attorney Proto wrote:
DL-6 was boring compared to SL-9. Though, it does explain a lot about Edgeworth, but that doesn't help it top SL-9's awesomeness. SL-9 had that complex story going on behind it with most of the characters in 1-5 involved. Man, it was so intense, one could have sworn 1-5 was about SL-9 rather than Goodman's murder.

goodmans murder only set the plate for you as the player to dive into the sl9 case. dl-6 was good but i like sl-9 better
Author:  Holy Hell [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:06 pm ]
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I prefer DSL-69.
Author:  Morinozuka Takashi [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:10 pm ]
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DL-6 for me. *nods*

I never was much of a fan of any of the characters in the 5th case, anyway.... *is shot*
Author:  SilverZephyr [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
Ultimate Prosecutor wrote:
Spoiler: 1-5
In SL-9, it took Phoenix and Ema no time to notice the knife in the exhaust pipe, why didn't the police notice for goodness sake? And all that with Marshall, the blue badger and Meekins was pointless.


Spoiler: 1-5
As far as the knife goes...the point you're missing is that Gant was orchestrating the whole thing. He was trying to cover up his own murder, so he covered up a bit of evidence.

If it weren't for everything with Jake and Meekins, the first day wouldn't have gotten off to a proper start because the bloody handprint would have been discovered right away, and later on you wouldn't have been able to use it to prove who the murderer was.
Author:  chief_skye4444 [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
I prefer me some SL-9.
Couple Reasons:

1. It has Lana.
2. I believe it's a bit more emotionally charged than DL.
3. It's more recent, so the drama is thicker, and the wounds are still open.
4. It doesn't involve Von Karma.
Author:  HyperSomnia [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:25 pm ]
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I didnt really come to like much of the cast of SL9

Spoiler:
Everybody involved was so corupt, they all had their reasons but still they were also all willing to lie, cheat, steal and murder to get what they wanted. I just found Lana's "I cant disobey orders" attitude the worst of them. Ever hear that saying 'all it takes for evil to suceed is for good men to do nothing'? Lana not only turned a blind eye to things like perjury and obstruction of justice, she didnt care about innocent people being convicted. From the start she tells Phoenix to "never belive in your client as they are a supect" that is like saying supect = guilty. She also says that innocent people being convicted is just a risk they have to take, but then again every supect is guilty.
Author:  SilverZephyr [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:36 pm ]
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Croik wrote:
Not to mention I don't understand how Darke was so hard to convict anyway. Wasn't the first person he murdered killed in a car crash? It's not THAT hard to prove a crash given paint transfer and, come on, the car having been involved in a crash. And yet there were like 20 detectives involved who weren't able to find anything. Meanwhile, every other case in the games Gumshoe pretty much handles on his own, and has no problem providing the prosecution with enough evidence to go to trial.

Jake, Angel, Goodman, Gant, and Lana, all on one case, couldn't find/fudge enough evidence to nail Darke on even one of his poorly planned and hastily executed murders. I'm glad half of them got fired and reassigned. :sal:


You know...I've been thinking about this, and I've come up with an explanation though it's a HUGE stretch and probably not very likely in the least.
I'm starting to think that Joe Darke really didn't kill anyone.
Insane? Yes, if he turned himself in anyway and then ran. Dangerous? Yes, if he almost killed Ema.
But he killed five or so people without leaving ANY evidence in a situation where evidence should have been abundant? That's just too hard to swallow.
Author:  HyperSomnia [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:45 pm ]
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SilverZephyr wrote:
Croik wrote:
Not to mention I don't understand how Darke was so hard to convict anyway. Wasn't the first person he murdered killed in a car crash? It's not THAT hard to prove a crash given paint transfer and, come on, the car having been involved in a crash. And yet there were like 20 detectives involved who weren't able to find anything. Meanwhile, every other case in the games Gumshoe pretty much handles on his own, and has no problem providing the prosecution with enough evidence to go to trial.

Jake, Angel, Goodman, Gant, and Lana, all on one case, couldn't find/fudge enough evidence to nail Darke on even one of his poorly planned and hastily executed murders. I'm glad half of them got fired and reassigned. :sal:


You know...I've been thinking about this, and I've come up with an explanation though it's a HUGE stretch and probably not very likely in the least.
I'm starting to think that Joe Darke really didn't kill anyone.
Insane? Yes, if he turned himself in anyway and then ran. Dangerous? Yes, if he almost killed Ema.
But he killed five or so people without leaving ANY evidence in a situation where evidence should have been abundant? That's just too hard to swallow.


I think Joe Dark qulifies for De'Killer status if he really could comit FOUR spur of the moment murders without leaving any evidance. Reminds me of that moive "The Killer Must Kill Again".
Author:  Connor?! [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
SilverZephyr wrote:
But he killed five or so people without leaving ANY evidence in a situation where evidence should have been abundant? That's just too hard to swallow.


I dunno, there's that movie "Mr. Brooks"...
Author:  Mia Fey [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
One thing about case 5.
It's nice and all, but you never actually solve the murder.
All you prove [spoiler]Gant[/spoiler] did was SL-9.
The murder of Goodman is just admitted or something.
Author:  ichigo [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:34 am ]
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I liked SL9 better because it had more of a interesting story and development.
Author:  Raven Darkheart [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:51 am ]
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mr brooks was a calm and calculated nutjob tho. was joe danke like that? i diidnt get that vibe from the info i got
Author:  Ace Prosecutor [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:50 am ]
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I LOVED the SL-9 incident! It was so dramatic to me and the music rocked! I really didn't wish Neil Marshall didn't die though....
Author:  Connor?! [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:11 am ]
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Mia Fey wrote:
One thing about case 5.
It's nice and all, but you never actually solve the murder.
All you prove [spoiler]Gant[/spoiler] did was SL-9.
The murder of Goodman is just admitted or something.

I'm pretty sure Phoenix figured out Gant murdered Goodman, too.
Author:  SunChaoJun [ Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dl6 vs SL9
DL-6 is the better cas 100x over. Why? Because it had the largest impact on the PW universe as we know it.

I pretty much judge cases based on what would happen if the case never happened at all

Spoiler: SL-9 Alternate Reality
-Lana never gets blackmailed by Gant
-In addition, she won't be a total bitch
-Everyone retains their jobs
-No accusations of evidence forging(not sure on this)
-Neil Marshall would still be alive and prosecuting
-No Angel lunches :larry:


which is nothing compared to...

Spoiler: DL-6 Alternate Reality
-Nick, Edgey and Lary are all BFFs
-Edgey never moves away nor has a fear of earthquakes
-Edgey becomes a defense attorney
-Also is never taken in by von Karma
-Which in turn means no revenge seeking Franziska so she'd still be in Germany/America/whatever
-Von Karma is never put in jail/on deathrow/executed (as there's no murder)
-So he's still murdering prosecuting Meh, its the same thing prosecuting
-Gregory would still be alive
-Phoenix never became a defense attorney(not too sure on this, but he might be an artist or something)
-Misty never disappears/gets killed
-Mia never leaves the village/gets killed
-Grossburg is never blackmailed
-Redd White is still in his blackmailing business
-No Godot
-No Mia x Godot
-Phoenix never meets Chinami/Dahlia
-As she never killed Kaminogi
-Chinami is still alive and being a bitch
-Nick never meets Mia + Maya
-Most of the clients Phoenix would've had would probably be declared guilty(unless Edgeworth defends them)
-Zenitora wouldn't have been able to disguise himself for that one trial
-Gumshoe and Edgey might've never bonded
-Hammond would still be alive and working for Grossburg
-Ayame never gets together with Phoenix


I must've missed a lot, but you get the point. DL-6 far surpasses SL-9 in signifigance as it pretty much is the whole reason we have this PW/GS universe in the first place

(There's also effects on GS4, but those spoilers don't belong here)

Edit: 'effects', not 'affects'. Stupid grammar :butz:
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